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The Supreme Topic of Miscellaneous Knowledge  "Trivia, Research, etc."

User is offline   Daedolon 

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Lunick: I can't believe you can pre-order Duke Nukem 3D in 2016
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User is online   Fox 

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View PostHendricks266, on 01 May 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

A note to everyone:

If you have magazines with beta screenshots, scan them. (Please.)

I have collected these from the Internet:

https://imgur.com/a/5V2Cu
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User is offline   MrFlibble 

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On a side note, with good, high-quality scans it should be possible to get pixel-accurate versions of screenshots (but of course with colour inaccuracies due to the specifics of the printing process) if the source images are large enough. Sadly much of the stuff available online are scans that are a) not in the highest resolution available, b) often mangled by high levels of JPEG compression and c) may be not perfectly aligned vertically, distorting the images.

To give you some idea of what I'm talking about, here's my attempt at restoring a screenshot on this page:
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Compare it to another screenshot in original quality:
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It's not 100% perfect but you can see that the ARMOR and HEALTH text, the compass, ammo counter and the SAFE indicator are pixel-accurate in the restored image compared to the original screenshot. The left side is somehow mangled a bit, perhaps due to some inaccuracies during scanning (?). I got this by cropping the screenshot from the scan, resizing it via Nearest Neighbour to 1280x800 (4x the original size), applying Gaussian blur at 1 pixel radius, then downsizing everything to 320x200 with the Bicubic interpolation method (all done in GIMP).

Note that the quality of the scan is far from excellent; I'm hoping that with better source images, even more accurate results may be achieved.
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User is online   Sanek 

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Extracted from Fox's archive...it sure looks cool! B)

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User is offline   jet_nick 

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View PostFox, on 01 December 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

I have collected these from the Internet:

https://imgur.com/a/5V2Cu



Hi Fox,
add them to your collection
https://imgur.com/a/bLmz4

per mille balene
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User is online   Fox 

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Loved the Battlelord concept art:

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User is online   Fox 

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User is offline   MetHy 

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What are those photos from? Disneyworld?
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User is online   Fox 

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Magic Kingdom (not sure about the first pic).
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User is offline   Daedolon 

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Page 2 of the Hickston Hog (Redneck Rampage manual) has text for the full page that you can't even see due to another page being shown on top of it, but if you view it with a PDF viewer, you can copy the text from underneath.

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Lunick: I can't believe you can pre-order Duke Nukem 3D in 2016
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User is offline   Nancsi 

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Babe Land is the biggest miss of the entire game. There are some worse levels, but Babe Land is the map that should have been truly magic and legendary. Instead, we got some depressive leveldesign and something doesn't even remotely remind us as a theme park.
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User is offline   Phredreeke 

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Hmmm... imagine if Mr. Splashys from Life's a Beach was given a Babe Land makeover...
That said I don't dislike the level, and the designers of DN64 apparently thought the pirate ship was cool enough to use for a dukematch map :P


This post has been edited by Phredreeke: 15 January 2018 - 03:07 AM

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User is offline   Nancsi 

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As some of you might know, Levelord had a weird habit of adding lotags to the keycards in his maps of the first 3 episodes (also in Sewer and Sweeney, and one clearly Levelord/Shrapnel City style area - the water part - has a similarly tagged key in XXX Stacy). These tags refer to the keyslots, despite being meaningless as Blum and others never tagged keys and you can use and colored key on any keyslots of the actual level.

However, in Bank Roll the red key has a lotag number 4744, while the keyslot number is 7667. Since there are no tags with number 4744 anywhere on the map, this clearly indicates it had an extra part scrapped for the final release. The many unused pigcop and enforcer respawns in the safe entry might belong to that place as well.

It's a common thing in Shrapnel City I guess. As TX said on Discord, 4 of the episode's levels (Raw Meat, Movie Set, Tier Drops and Fahrenheit) were planned as multiplayer maps and rushed at the end to them being a single player compatible for the final product. The other 5 Levelord levels (Bank Roll, Flood Zone, LA Rumble, Rabid Transit, Hotel Hell) however were intended to be single player levels from the start, but all of them had scrapped areas in the end to match the expected fps of that time. The unreleased maps, Sewer and Sweeney (especially Sewer) might look different a bit because they were left in their original state (albeit with some unfinished errors and higher enemy count), and they need more time to finish (ie 10-11 minutes instead of the par time of 5-6 minutes of the retail maps).

This post has been edited by Nancsi: 16 January 2018 - 06:34 PM

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User is online   Fox 

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This post has been edited by Fox: 06 February 2018 - 02:47 PM

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User is offline   Lunick 

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Wow, very nice!

LeoTCK - EDIT: Jimmy, Blow it out your ass!
http://duke3dmaps.tumblr.com/
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User is offline   Perro Seco 

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Nice, but I was first. :D

I found it while searching for lunar landscapes to make a skybox for my TC.

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User is online   Fox 

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I didn't remembered that. Your picture is also better...
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User is offline   Nancsi 

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I've found a nice old pre-release podcast with Randy, Allen and others who added some insightful information about DNFs history.

http://www.dukenukem...y/podcasts.html

But what I found really interesting is this comment by Randy on part 7:

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RANDY: I remember back when we were working together, like when we shipped the Atomic edition? I don’t even remember there being a debate. It was just like of course there’s going to be a sequel and we just kept doing stuff. And Al was tinkering with the build engine and there were some things that were going on that Ken Silverman did to the engine to allow voxels; to add voxels to the engine and some things some guys had done to allow us to fake 3D with room over room and stuff. And everybody just kept doing stuff. Like Allen started building maps in a kind of upgraded Build engine, I remember Brian just started making weapons and crap with voxels. And then I remember one day George just showed up and “Oh I licensed Quake” and we were like, alright, and handed us the disk.


Are these builds available somewhere? What kind of maps Allen did back then? Randy later said they were cool stuff with ROR and voxels. I know some leftover voxels by Chuck Jones, but I'm not sure any kind of mapping survived from this era.
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User is offline   MrFlibble 

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Yes, that would be interesting material if it has survived and can be made available (even if only test maps). BTW, any idea of how this development phase relates to Shadow Warrior time-wise? I mean, what is described in this quote is pretty much like the pre-final SW stuff with fake ROR (e.g. part of the first level in the leaked beta) and voxels.

A sequel to Duke3D with SW engine additions would have been so much fun.
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User is online   Sanek 

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Interesting fact about the last original Build game. :P

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Accidentally found it on the old Infogrames site (circa 2002).
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Found this while working on some stuff for Ion Maiden. There are hidden messages in Duke3D's title screen, only shown by modifying the base palettes or palswaps. The specific colours in the base palette that need to be modified to reveal these are at index 96 and 160.

Scott Miller initially suggested that "GIZ" & "LSO" could be the aliases of two of the members of the 3D Realms/Apogee graphics design department at the time, but wasn't 100% sure. Joe Siegler reached out to Allen H. Blum III, who said:

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Haha... I can't totally remember, but i think that's true. "Giz" is James Storey. Don't remember what his LSO means. I'm pretty sure James fixed that image so it looked good in our palette, and he put that hidden in there while we were working super late one night. (like usual)


Joe explained that during development, "Storey used to sleep under his desk at the office sometimes," and had this photo of Storey to share:
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Joe continued, "The word on the bottom of his monitor there is 'Grizzle Skip'. That was the name of one of the bands one of the guys who worked in our order/shipping department was in on the side. :) I still have one of their cassette tapes from the old days."

There was some question about why "A.B." & not the usual "AHB"; Blum added that A.B. was him, but written by Storey. "No idea why not the H as well."

Sadly, James Storey passed away in 2015. His legacy continues to be remembered. You can find 3D Realms' touching in memorium here: https://3drealms.com...p-james-storey/
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User is online   Marphy Black 

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While searching for Cam Nash (of all things), I came across this picture of the cancelled Duke Nukem D-Day game for the PS2 that I don't recall seeing before:
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This is from the portfolio of Michael Bacon, a former developer at n-Space. He mentions working on several levels for the game, including a fusion of Normandy and an alien Death Star which is presumably what's shown in this screenshot.

And unrelated to D-Day but still in regard to Duke Nukem, he mentions that he was the one who did the Grabbag rendition for Land of the Babes, although it seems he didn't work on the game itself.

Formerly RinyRed
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User is offline   NY00123 

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Here's another random addition for all of you...

Anybody here remembers that EDuke32 was originally started as a kind of a merger of JFDuke3D and Enhanced Duke (i.e., EDuke)?

Concentrating just at EDuke, ever had problems with the old EDuke 2.0 patch i.e., eduke20.exe? Even if you were so sure you had the right Duke Nukem 3D: Atomic Edition v1.5 files?
Chances are you had the game as coming with that Kill-A-Ton Collection's CD, or any another such re-packaging. There may also be any other reason.

Eventually, an alternative eduke20a.exe patch (also compatible with DOS) was made available, compatible with the files from Kill-A-Ton.
Both patches output the exact same eduke.exe file (internally identified as version "2.00.23 FIRST RELEASE").

What makes eduke20.exe different, other than being a Windows-based patcher, is that it also checks the modification times of the files.

Following a few experiments, I think that I've found the correct modification time & date for the files. No guarantee this'll work for you, though!



It's Dec. 11 1996 at local time 01:50:00PM (emphasis on "local" - this may depend on the currently set time-zone and anything like DST).
A hint for this is that 01:50 stands for version 1.5, as commonly done for other Apogee titles beforehand.

Note that if any of you is trying to run the patch under Linux with Wine, you have to make sure the observed times in the Wine environment are correct.
You can try running "wine cmd", followed by a "dir" in the Wine prompt. In my case, I could see an offset of one hour (compared to the output of ls --full-time -l).

Finally, there's still no guarantee this will work for you.


This post has been edited by NY00123: 25 April 2018 - 12:46 PM

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User is offline   MrFlibble 

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View PostNY00123, on 25 April 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

What makes eduke20.exe different, other than being a Windows-based patcher, is that it also checks the modification times of the files.

The patch is using the RTPatch technology, and date checking is actually optional. I'm not sure if you can force turn it off using some command line on the patch executable, but PocketSoft had an evaluation version of the RTPatch tools that you can use to configure the options manually, including disabling date checking and making a backup copy of modified files, which in this case will be saved with proper date stamps even if they did not have them on your machine (IIRC).

You can get a very old evaluation version of the RTPatch tools via the Wayback Machine here.

UPD: Try running the patch from the command line with the -NOTIMEZONECHECK parameter, might work.


This post has been edited by MrFlibble: 05 May 2018 - 02:36 AM

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View PostMrFlibble, on 05 May 2018 - 02:29 AM, said:

The patch is using the RTPatch technology, and date checking is actually optional. I'm not sure if you can force turn it off using some command line on the patch executable, but PocketSoft had an evaluation version of the RTPatch tools that you can use to configure the options manually, including disabling date checking and making a backup copy of modified files, which in this case will be saved with proper date stamps even if they did not have them on your machine (IIRC).

You can get a very old evaluation version of the RTPatch tools via the Wayback Machine here.

UPD: Try running the patch from the command line with the -NOTIMEZONECHECK parameter, might work.


Thanks for all of the information given above!
Unfortunately I can't seem to find a compatible input RTP file for the RTPatch evaluation version, not even right before/after eduke20.exe's internal copy of RTPatch fails to patch one of the files.

There's also one more thing I wanted to mention (and forgot about); Not that it'll necessarily assist anybody reading this, though.

Titled "EDuke installer bug fix/workaround v1", there's this old file named EDUKEPT.ZIP (see http://dukeworld.com...c-eduke-patchs/) with a small patcher intended to correct the "offending" modification dates of commit.exe and duke3d.exe, for owners of "non standard" Duke3D discs like Kill-A-Ton.
Note that this is a DOS tool, and it might *not do what you expect it to* under DOSBox, DOSEMU or any other such environment. Real DOS might be the only way, if not also NTVDM.

As stated above, you can manually correct the modification times on your own.


This post has been edited by NY00123: 07 May 2018 - 01:26 PM

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User is offline   MrFlibble 

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View PostNY00123, on 07 May 2018 - 01:21 PM, said:

Unfortunately I can't seem to find a compatible input RTP file for the RTPatch evaluation version, not even right before/after eduke20.exe's internal copy of RTPatch fails to patch one of the files.

I very vaguely remember being able to extract the RTP file from the EXE (or run the EXE as an RTP) using one of the tools, but maybe not from the package I pointed you to.

You can try the RTP tools available here, they might be from a later RTP trial (I remember tracking the contents of those two packages back to PocketSoft's website though).
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User is offline   NY00123 

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View PostMrFlibble, on 12 May 2018 - 04:25 AM, said:

You can try the RTP tools available here, they might be from a later RTP trial (I remember tracking the contents of those two packages back to PocketSoft's website though).


Thanks for the links, I've successfully patched the data from Kill-A-Ton!

For reference, SE_RTPatch_RIPer_1.04.exe (SE_RTPatch_RIPer_1.04.rar) successfuly created an eduke20.rtp file out of eduke20.exe.
Afterwards, using RTPatcher.rar from the above link, I could tell it to load this RTP file, and read files from "." (the current working directory).

I did have to tell it to ignore the timezone, in the configuration. Apparently it's possible to save it for later use. Not sure where is this saved (maybe in the registry).

However, if the timestamps of the files are *significantly different* (say from 2010), expect it to fail either way, with a message like this (say for commit.exe):

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error ept0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.



This post has been edited by NY00123: 12 May 2018 - 07:35 AM

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