[Zaxtor]

Unless the metal is very dark.

[Micky C]

The lighting is generally fine. You'll want some rooms with lights in the middle to add some variety though.

More generally speaking, a lot of the images you put up show fairly rectangular areas, which as a concept are only moderately interesting from an architectural viewpoint.

[Hank]

@ Sanek - Since you asked about lighting:
Based on my experience, for lighting as such, (fluorescent lights) the light beams look off. Even in a high humidity area. Another catch is that they don't create sharp shadows on the floor, since those lamps are not directional.

It looks cool though, but that's about it.

Maybe, make some spot lights in the centre, and they can have a beam and shadows.

Just saying.

[Hendricks266]

[Sanek]

Thanks for the advices, guys! I think I really should add some light in the middle of the room.
BTW, I want to ask for another advice if you don't mind (and also show another pic).

The theme of the map I'm working on right now is the underground cave planet. I already got the idea for a general look of the map, but I can't decide whether it should use jetpack or scuba gear in its inventory.

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[Sanek]

 Sanek, on 16 August 2017 - 04:10 AM, said:

The theme of the map I'm working on right now is the underground cave planet. I already got the idea for a general look of the map, but I can't decide whether it should use jetpack or scuba gear in its inventory.

Never mind, I've already decided that I will go without underwater gig. From water-filled caves we'll go into deep freeze invorement! It's still be blue because it's so cold down there!

And I'm sorry for double-posting. I can't edit my post somehow.

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[Roma Loom]

 Tea Monster, on 28 July 2017 - 05:43 AM, said:

Normals have become a lot more important in recent years, with work done on games like Alien Isolation and Star Citizen. You can get a lot of your main body shading done with slightly higher poly geometry and just use normal maps for surface detail rather than getting your shapes right.



We tried some of that on the HHR mod, but having to shoot MD3's through NPherno buggered that all up :'(

I've been using this trick for quite a long time. But yeah, it's useless for MD3, at least with existing exporter for 3ds max

[Daedolon]

I hate how in Blender you can only edit them manually each, there's no great magic trick for doing it. Plus it's hidden behind a nasty menu system.

[Tea Monster]

There are actually a few different ways of fixing that in Blendy.

One is this thing: https://github.com/fedackb/yavne.

And this: http://www.farfarer...._help/index.htm

The other is a new add-on from the GSoC: https://wiki.blender...C_2017/Proposal
Blenderartists thread: https://blenderartis...ing-Tools/page9

If it gets into master, it looks like it will be a much improved solution.

Roma, I didn't know that there was an exporter for Max - nothing modern anyway.

[Tea Monster]

Cut(scene)ing is shipping!

[OpenMaw]

 Tea Monster, on 18 August 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

Cut(scene)ing is shipping!

"Damn, i'm lookin' good!"

[Mister Sinister]

Huh?

[Mister Sinister]

Another one

[Sanek]

Lookin' good! Reminds me of EDF Bureau map, but with modern design!

[David B.]

Hi everyone ;

Some feedback about lighting issues I can't get rid of. You probably remember I was working lastly on controlling SE49 with lightswitch+SE12 to turn it on in the game. In the beginnings it seemed to work properly : )

I also have been using the flashlight (by Darkus) - in replacement of SE12+Lightswitch system - but I still have the same lighting issues with sectors (and also with models that aren't lit). Sectors are lit properly some time, then not anymore.

In fact troubles occurs each time a light source is turned on or off in the game whatever the sytem used.
I have tried to change some parameters on the affected models like cstat 2048 or spritenoshade commands... but unsuccessfully.

Is there possibly a solution or is it also a Polymer issue ?

PS : beside the flashlight, I put separate SE49 in each room to illuminate barely the room when it's not supposed to be lit (Some examples, the player must be able to see something even if the flashlight is not found yet! There are also some moonlight emulation, ...). I was afraid finally those light sources interfers with the "controllable" light source but removing those additionnal sources doesn't fix the problem - excepted maybe for the sector issue - and I'm even not sure of that.

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[Mark]

What is your "maxlights" setting. For my latest map I have it set at 12. In newer Eduke32 revisions there is a slider in the menu to take it up to 10. I had mine set in a cfg file since I had been using an older version at the time.

For the models that don't light properly, load them into a program called Npherno. Then choose to "rebuild normals". Then resave the model. That has corrected problems a number of times for me in the past.

[Tea Monster]

Are your models NPherno'd?

[Hendricks266]

 Mark., on 26 August 2017 - 08:03 AM, said:

For the models that don't light properly, load them into a program called Npherno. Then choose to "rebuild normals". Then resave the model. That has corrected problems a number of times for me in the past.

If that fixes it, use them for now but hold on to your originals.

[David B.]

 Tea Monster, on 26 August 2017 - 09:43 AM, said:

Are your models NPherno'd?

Yes they are. Most of the time I use it to convert from 3DS.

[David B.]

 Hendricks266, on 26 August 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:

If that fixes it, use them for now but hold on to your originals.

Not exactly, that doesn't fix the problem because it's already coming from Npherno and I always rebuild the normals when I have a 3DS file, before to export to md3.
Nevertheless I have rebuild the normals a second time for the bed and the door models and saw a very small difference but not relevant.

I going now to try an exporter from 3ds max to see if there is some improvements.

[David B.]

 Mark., on 26 August 2017 - 08:03 AM, said:

What is your "maxlights" setting. For my latest map I have it set at 12. In newer Eduke32 revisions there is a slider in the menu to take it up to 10. I had mine set in a cfg file since I had been using an older version at the time.

For the models that don't light properly, load them into a program called Npherno. Then choose to "rebuild normals". Then resave the model. That has corrected problems a number of times for me in the past.

I'm not using a recent Eduke32 version and I don't know what's the maxlights. How can I see that ?

Edit : light per surface is set to "5"' in the Polymer settings. I suppose that's what you were talking about. I pushed it to ten, the same for shadows with no results.

I have exported a model (bed) directly from 3ds max, but no improvement in the game.

[Hendricks266]

It's a cvar (console variable).

r_pr_maxlightpasses 12

is what Mark uses.

I feel like we should default that setting to infinity instead of what it is now. Any objections?

[David B.]

Hendricks266, on 26 August 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

It's a cvar (console variable).

r_pr_maxlightpasses 12

is what Mark uses.

I feel like we should default that setting to infinity instead of what it is now. Any objections?

I have tried it, no changes regarding the issue.

[David B.]

I just have tried a little experience.

For me it should come from the model rendering. Here's maybe a clue.... Well the result is not satisfying yet but I have added meshes divisions on the model to see what happens.
Edit : It seems the least detailed the model is, the worst it is rendered. Why is that ?

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[Mark]

If you are using a version of Eduke32 between 4593 and about 6404 there is a long known problem with some model rendering of normal and spec maps. Update to a newer version and see if your problems go away. That thin sliver of light in your first pic was exactly one of the problems I had up until H266 found and fixed the bug a few revisions ago.

[MusicallyInspired]

I posted this in the scary thread, but I made this a while ago but just never released it. Simple little remix of XPlasma.

[David B.]

Mark., on 26 August 2017 - 12:53 PM, said:

If you are using a version of Eduke32 between 4593 and about 6404 there is a long known problem with some model rendering of normal and spec maps. Update to a newer version and see if your problems go away. That thin sliver of light in your first pic was exactly one of the problems I had up until H266 found and fixed the bug a few revisions ago.

You're right, I just have downloaded the last version 6428 and this fixes the problem.

[Mister Sinister]

Soon

[Sanek]

Mister Sinister, on 28 August 2017 - 07:48 AM, said:

Soon

When did you start working on this? It seems like you started it a couple of weeks ago and just can't stop mapping, isn't it?
I mean, we all knew that feeling when you have start the map and make huge progress every day because you have the inspiration and energy to do that.

[BestViking]

That looks real nice with the red carpet and all. Can we get some info on the setting/plot?