[Hendricks266]

The simpler, the better, which is why the pre-NPherno version of David's prop or something similar would be an ideal test case.

[David B.]

Hendricks266, on 28 July 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

The simpler, the better, which is why the pre-NPherno version of David's prop or something similar would be an ideal test case.

I have sent a PM to you : )

BTW, I have finally rebuild the normals on a lot of models and I'm reporting it's improving sucessfully the rendering on each one.
In fact I have never had a single right shadow cast on a model before, so drawing my attention to this trick is really good for me.

[Hendricks266]

David B., on 28 July 2017 - 11:38 AM, said:

I have sent a PM to you : )

BTW, I have finally rebuild the normals on a lot of models and I'm reporting it's improving sucessfully the rendering on each one.
In fact I have never had a single right shadow cast on a model before, so drawing my attention to this trick is really good for me.

I sent you an email.

BTW, hang on to the original versions of your MD3s, I bet they will look better with my fix (if I can figure it out) than NPherno throwing the original data away and inventing its own.

[Tea Monster]

I heard from Mark first before reading this thread (been busy today). I've PM'd you a dropbox link to the test case model we discussed from HHR - NonPherno'd. Exported directly from Blender.

Pretty much everything in the mod has been fed through NPherno at the moment. There might be a few that haven't, but I can't recall which one, there are literally hundreds of the damn things.

[David B.]

Shortly, rebuild normals seems to be a primordial step (which I never did before) when converting a 3DS model to md3 :

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[Kyanos]

Tea Monster, on 28 July 2017 - 11:50 AM, said:

I heard from Mark first before reading this thread (been busy today). I've PM'd you a dropbox link to the test case model we discussed from HHR - NonPherno'd. Exported directly from Blender.

Pretty much everything in the mod has been fed through NPherno at the moment. There might be a few that haven't, but I can't recall which one, there are literally hundreds of the damn things.

Are you using the exporter from our latest conversation? The one with the inverted normal matrix.

I'd like to know once this gets set right if that fix was proper.

[Tea Monster]

To be honest, Blender has been updated a few times and I've downloaded it a few times. It should be, but I can't promise.

Is it the one at the head of your exporter thread?

[David B.]

Drek, on 28 July 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

Are you using the exporter from our latest conversation? The one with the inverted normal matrix.

I'd like to know once this gets set right if that fix was proper.

I'm not using any plugin for 3ds max allowing to export md3 files. There are exported in 3DS format and imported into Nphernos compiler.
I had a look and find this on the web : 3ds Max Quake III MD3 Exporter Multi-Version Pack 2.3. but not using it yet.
Is it important to export md3 files earlier from the 3D sofware ?

[Kyanos]

https://drive.google...E1DUmprN3M/view

I don't think I posted it there yet because I was still having issues with the normals on my end. Here it is, this is still in testing.

[David B.]

Drek, on 28 July 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

https://drive.google...E1DUmprN3M/view

I don't think I posted it there yet because I was still having issues with the normals on my end. Here it is, this is still in testing.

Sorry for asking that but where to use it ?

[Kyanos]

David B., on 28 July 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

I'm not using any plugin for 3ds max allowing to export md3 files. There are exported in 3DS format and imported into Nphernos compiler.
I had a look and find this on the web : 3ds Max Quake III MD3 Exporter Multi-Version Pack 2.3. but not using it yet.
Is it important to export md3 files earlier from the 3D sofware ?

I have no experience with 3dsmax, I was intending to ask TM with my post but your post got in between his and mine confusing the discussion, sorry.




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[Tea Monster]

I'll check it out tomorrow as it's nearly 10 here. Thanks.

David B. - that's a Blender plugin exporter. It won't work with Max.

Converting using NPherno should work great for most stuff. I don't even know if MD3 even supports refined control of normals for the kind of stuff I posted earlier. But people have been making models that work in EDuke for years using that method.

I have a copy Max that I can test things with if you want to. Bear in mind that I'm kind of busy at the moment though.

[Kyanos]

David B., on 28 July 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

Sorry for asking that but where to use it ?

Your posts keep popping in while I'm typing lol.

That link is for blender, it's an exporter I sometimes work on.

[Tea Monster]

Drek - The big problem I have is testing your exporter. The only thing I know that reads MD3's is EDuke, Misfit and NPherno. The latest version of Blender dosen't have a working importer.

This is part of the reason that I was arguing for a more popular model format.

[Hendricks266]

NPherno itself is a great tool. It's just that according to that comment Plagman wrote, its Rebuild Normals function is bugged, and Polymer seems to depend on that buggy output for "compatibility".

[David B.]

Tea Monster, on 28 July 2017 - 12:16 PM, said:

I'll check it out tomorrow as it's nearly 10 here. Thanks.

David B. - that's a Blender plugin exporter. It won't work with Max.

Converting using NPherno should work great for most stuff. I don't even know if MD3 even supports refined control of normals for the kind of stuff I posted earlier. But people have been making models that work in EDuke for years using that method.

I have a copy Max that I can test things with if you want to. Bear in mind that I'm kind of busy at the moment though.

dont worry I'll try it myself in the next days....

[Kyanos]

Tea Monster, on 28 July 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

Drek - The big problem I have is testing your exporter. The only thing I know that reads MD3's is EDuke, Misfit and NPherno. The latest version of Blender dosen't have a working importer.

This is part of the reason that I was arguing for a more popular model format.

There is an importer that works for 2.7+ not too old at all, are you only aware of the much older 2.49 importer.

https://wiki.blender...port-Export/MD3
* I think this is the one I use.

[Tea Monster]

It imports, but there is a huge bug in the exporter. I think it's something like it won't name frames or something like that, I can't remember specifically, it's been a while.

It clashes with yours, which works, so I never really messed around with it.

Also, beware of Noesis - It's a great tool, but sometimes it flips the UVs vertically when converting.

[Mark]

Luckily the UV flip is just a 1 click fix in my modeling program. I'm sure it must be the same for others.

[Hendricks266]

[CruX]

with this freezethrower replacement, Duke will command a new level of respect from his enemies. Why, they'll even have the courtesy to stay dead after he kills them!

[Jolteon]

Testing out a new enemy for my next map... or should I say an unused enemy.




Sprites were made by Chip.

[Tea Monster]

[Merlijn]

WIP:

[Sanek]

Looks very familiar! Can't wait to test play it.

[MusicallyInspired]

Tea Monster, on 07 August 2017 - 12:21 PM, said:

Oooh is that what I think it is?

[OpenMaw]

Yes, it's a giant erect schlong. Oshit, spoilers.

[Merlijn]

Sanek, on 09 August 2017 - 12:26 PM, said:

Looks very familiar! Can't wait to test play it.

Yeah, it's the sequel to Shaky Grounds! Currently at 1300 sectors so it's not done yet, but I'm getting there.
And your hints are as subtle as always, hehe

[Sanek]

What do you think about such way to light the scene? I actually think it looks good...

This is remade, more cramped-up version of the base I made before.

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[pmw]

Usually floor shouldn't be that dark...only ceiling. Otherwise looks good. And I like those different textures on vents.