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[RELEASE] Hollywood Holocaust Rethinked

User is offline   Nancsi 

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#121

I don't think if an ugly extra terrestial invade your home, you would be hanging out and talking BS.
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#122

So, outside of "bad enemy placement", your claim of this map being "blasphemy" is that it didn't suit your personal tastes due to the environmental immersion being guilty of not achieving your standards of realism... in a game that's pretty unrealistic in the first place?
Okay then.
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User is offline   Nancsi 

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No, it doesn't match the general aesthetics of the game (and level), nor it improves it with lacking some coherent, good looking new aesthetics. Bad enemy placement and weak NPCs are just an extra. Most comments of the Youtube video echo my sentiments. I know authors get angry when their stuff gets some criticism, but I had to share my view of this stuff.

This post has been edited by Nancsi: 10 November 2017 - 04:09 PM

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User is offline   Forge 

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#124

so it's blasphemy due to your subjective opinion of "good looking " aesthetics.

2 or 3 comments out of 14 that say it's garbage without giving any real reason, 2 more that say they don't like hrp/models or think the detailing is excessive, and 2 more that think this would have been done better on the unreal engine.

I see only 2 definitive "echos", & 2 or 3 inconclusive.

Not "most", and hardly evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, considering there are numerous comments in this thread that contradict those opinions.

This post has been edited by Forge: 10 November 2017 - 05:09 PM

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User is offline   Mark. 

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#125

I ask for and encourage criticism. As long as it isn't just some version of "its garbage" with no reason given. I know full well I'm stepping on some people's feelings when I "corrupt" a fanboy's beloved game like DN3D and that they will reply with their displeasure. No big deal. As with many mappers and modders, I do this this mostly for myself. Its enjoyable.

This post has been edited by Mark.: 10 November 2017 - 06:57 PM

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User is offline   Phredreeke 

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#126

If I'm to be blunt, I feel there's a certain grittiness to the original that gets lost with the HRP.

I like the idea of revisiting a map but putting a new spin on it though, and got a chuckle out of the gag near the yellow key.
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User is offline   Mark. 

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#127

Thanks. I wasn't sure how many people would understand or appreciate that joke. Its one of my favorites.

This post has been edited by Mark.: 11 November 2017 - 05:55 AM

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User is online   BestViking 

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#128

I think it's impressive within the confines of the engine. The argument about civilians having conversations being "unrealistic" is a bit strange considering the NPCs in the original. Although they were exclusively women and no conversations existed between them, the strippers for instance seemed awfully relaxed amidst an alien invasion. Shouldn't they be panicking too?

The game itself is a massive caricature, and Duke is a conglomerate of action hero stereotypes. Nothing is too crazy really. A lot of effort went into that mod, even making new models of the enemies.

I think the points of critique are valid, but to disregard the whole project over that seems a bit much to me. I enjoyed playing it. But then again I am able to appreciate the imperfections and consider them in the context that they are. When you've been acquainted with the engine since it was released, you come to appreciate its personality. This is going to sound extremely cheesy, but it's like an old person who refuses to change. You can manipulate him a little bit and change his mind here and there, but his old quirks shine through, and what you get is something completely unique instead of a carbon copy of something that already exists.

I think that is one of the aspects that keep people around, because it offers familiarity and something that contrasts the sterility of modern engines.
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User is offline   Sledgehammer 

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#129

That part in regards of NPCs in the game, especially silent ones was always quite creepy to me. When I played the game for the first time I assumed they were aliens in disguise (another reason was that their death spawns other aliens, plus I watched Mars Attacks not so long ago).
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I see it as futuristic commentary on society.
We experience mass shootings, terrorist attacks, and natural disasters all time - some people care, some only use the events to push their own agenda on social media, but more and more, people are getting desensitized to death and tragedy.

It's a pretend environment in a make believe world with some loose references to real locations. I can make up any thing I want that suits me and my experience with the map.
Since the map was well done, it just makes my imagination work a little less, and enjoy the provided vision a little more.

This post has been edited by Forge: 11 November 2017 - 12:43 PM

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User is offline   Sledgehammer 

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Yes, but today is a quite different from when I played that game for the first time (and no doubt the same can be said about yourself).

Right now of course I think the same was as you do which is why I didn't even think about why those people are so strangely calm in Rethinked version either. If anything, I'd say that the shit which is going on right now is even much more crazier than alien invasion would be to me. And now that I think about it more, almost the same commentary they did even in Forever.
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View PostSledgehammer, on 12 November 2017 - 09:59 AM, said:

Yes, but today is a quite different from when I played that game for the first time (and no doubt the same can be said about yourself).

Right now of course I think the same was as you do which is why I didn't even think about why those people are so strangely calm in Rethinked version either. If anything, I'd say that the shit which is going on right now is even much more crazier than alien invasion would be to me. And now that I think about it more, almost the same commentary they did even in Forever.

When I originally played the game, and put forth some thought about the behavior of the strippers - I thought they had some alien brain virus put there by the slimers, or they were affected by the toxic ooze that turned human police officers into pig-cops.
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User is offline   MYHOUSE.MAP 

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Duke Nukem has had enough of the prostitutes and strippers polluting the streets and bringing in crime into decent neighborhoods, so he took the law into his own hands and started his own one-man war against whores.

Attached Image: duke cleans up the streets.png
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User is offline   Tea Monster 

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#134

"Blasphemy"?
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User is offline   Tea Monster 

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User is offline   Mark. 

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View PostMYHOUSE.MAP, on 16 November 2017 - 09:15 PM, said:

Duke Nukem has had enough of the prostitutes and strippers polluting the streets and bringing in crime into decent neighborhoods, so he took the law into his own hands and started his own one-man war against whores.

duke cleans up the streets.png


And now crazy guy in the corner has to dance with his shadow. Ohh, the casualties of war. :P
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User is offline   MYHOUSE.MAP 

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View PostMark., on 17 November 2017 - 08:44 AM, said:

And now crazy guy in the corner has to dance with his shadow. Ohh, the casualties of war. :P


I'm also concerned that the patrons have no reaction to renowned hero Duke Nukem interrupting their party and committing mass murder against the strippers that were hired.
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User is offline   Tea Monster 

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They are extras in a Duke Nukem title. They've seen some shit. Rampaging aliens aren't worth a second look.

This post has been edited by Tea Monster: 17 November 2017 - 04:44 PM

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