[DisgustedGrunt]

Radar 100 Watts, on 30 December 2019 - 06:19 PM, said:

She is going to ruin Love & Thunder.

I'm 50/50 about that movie, on one hand, they got the same guy that directed Ragnarok.
On the other hand, they got Natalie Portman, the worst part of of the first 2 movies.

[Jimmy]

But does being the "director" even matter when Disney is behind the wheel? Who is really directing who?

[DisgustedGrunt]

Jesus is King, on 30 December 2019 - 06:49 PM, said:

But does being the "director" even matter when Disney is behind the wheel? Who is really directing who?

We'll see, they haven't fucked up the MCU as hard as they did with Star Wars. Yet.

At least Ike Perlmutter doesn't have a say in the creative side of thing anymore.

[Radar]

They made all their money with Endgame and now they're liquidating the series with SJW garbage.

[necroslut]

Radar 100 Watts, on 30 December 2019 - 07:15 PM, said:

They made all their money with Endgame and now they're liquidating the series with SJW garbage.

MCU was always trash.

[Radar]

[necroslut]

Radar 100 Watts, on 30 December 2019 - 07:55 PM, said:

(big ugly gif)

Not trying to be edgy. While Star Wars hasn't been any good for almost forty years, at least it was really good initially — the MCU movies on the other hand has never reached above "passably mediocre", and I don't think Disney/Marvel ever really tried to do anything else. MCU is interesting, because they've taken the CoD/ (or TV soap opera) formula and applied it on movies – dominate the market by pumping out a steady stream of "content" with only slight variations – utilizing techniques like cliff hangers, recurring characters, all that – rather than even trying to compete by making high-quality, original, stand-alone movies.

edit: 40, not four

[DisgustedGrunt]

necroslut, on 30 December 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

Not trying to be edgy. While Star Wars hasn't been any good for almost four years, at least it was really good initially — the MCU movies on the other hand has never reached above "passably mediocre", and I don't think Disney/Marvel ever really tried to do anything else. MCU is interesting, because they've taken the CoD/ (or TV soap opera) formula and applied it on movies – dominate the market by pumping out a steady stream of "content" with only slight variations – utilizing techniques like cliff hangers, recurring characters, all that – rather than even trying to compete by making high-quality, original, stand-alone movies.

[Radar]

necroslut, on 30 December 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

Not trying to be edgy. While Star Wars hasn't been any good for almost four years, at least it was really good initially — the MCU movies on the other hand has never reached above "passably mediocre", and I don't think Disney/Marvel ever really tried to do anything else. MCU is interesting, because they've taken the CoD/ (or TV soap opera) formula and applied it on movies – dominate the market by pumping out a steady stream of "content" with only slight variations – utilizing techniques like cliff hangers, recurring characters, all that – rather than even trying to compete by making high-quality, original, stand-alone movies.

LMAO. Man you don't get it. To make a good movie for either franchise, it doesn't have to actually be "good". It just has to not suck. What do you expect, Memento plot twists? A Clockwork Orange? Scorsese was right when he said Marvel isn't cinema. What he clearly meant by "cinema" was the cinema he grew up with and came to love. The MCU doesn't hold a candle next to Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction, Taxi Driver, etc. MCU is merely a collection of popcorn flicks. Lots of CGI, action, colors, absolutely no tension, no real risk, everyone goes home happy in the end. Star Wars established this genre, but MCU perfected it. Really, the MCU of today is what Star Wars should have been. They are a collection of throw-away movies that are just fun to watch, and I love them so much. But Star Wars is cringey retarded garbage.

[necroslut]

Radar 100 Watts, on 30 December 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

LMAO. Man you don't get it. To make a good movie for either franchise, it doesn't have to actually be "good". It just has to not suck. What do you expect, Memento plot twists? A Clockwork Orange? Scorsese was right when he said Marvel isn't cinema. What he clearly meant by "cinema" was the cinema he grew up with and came to love. The MCU doesn't hold a candle next to Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction, Taxi Driver, etc. MCU is merely a collection of popcorn flicks. Lots of CGI, action, colors, absolutely no tension, no real risk, everyone goes home happy in the end. Star Wars established this genre, but MCU perfected it. Really, the MCU of today is what Star Wars should have been. They are a collection of throw-away movies that are just fun to watch, and I love them so much. But Star Wars is cringey retarded garbage.

No, I get it – that's just the point – I just don't see any value in "franchises" of movies that aren't "good". It's all "cringey retarded garbage", made for small children and the mentally handicapped, or people with an equal lack of good taste but without an excuse.

Edit: I get the popcorn argument, it's just that once upon a time "popcorn flicks" used to be somewhat closer to "good movies". MCU never was and never tried, it was rotten fucking popcorn from the start.

[Jimmy]

No way dude. I grew up reading Marvel comics. The MCU has always been disappointing trash. Every good Marvel film has been a fluke.

Here is a list of the only good movies based off of Marvel properties, in chronological order.

Howard the Duck
The Punisher (1989)
Blade
The Punisher (2004)
Spider-Man 2 (2004)
Iron Man
Thor
The Wolverine
X-Men: Days of Future Past
Guardians of the Galaxy
Deadpool
Logan
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Thor: Ragnarok

And I'm being fucking generous because even half of these movies are filled with shit that just fucking pisses me off.

[necroslut]

HorseDongSub69, on 30 December 2019 - 11:26 PM, said:

No way dude. I grew up reading Marvel comics. The MCU has always been disappointing trash. Every good Marvel film has been a fluke.

Here is a list of the only good movies based off of Marvel properties, in chronological order.

(list)

And I'm being fucking generous because even half of these movies are filled with shit that just fucking pisses me off.

My point exactly – and most of those aren't even MCU. Though I'm not sure what you could have gotten out of Thor or Guardians 2...

[Jimmy]

They're just fun and generally appreciative of the source material. Ragnarok is better than Thor, and Guardians 1 is miles above Guardians 2.

Although I must admit I got a bit of a mancrush on Chris Pratt.

[necroslut]

HorseDongSub69, on 31 December 2019 - 12:08 AM, said:

They're just fun and generally appreciative of the source material. Ragnarok is better than Thor, and Guardians 1 is miles above Guardians 2.

Although I must admit I got a bit of a mancrush on Chris Pratt.

Fair enough. I just found Thor extremely boring and pretentious, and I suppose Guardians 2 wasn't as much terrible as it was disappointing.

[Jimmy]

I haven't seen Thor since it was released so you may be right.

[Danukem]

Thor Ragnarok is a very good film. Ironman 1 is a very good film.

Antman 2 is trash. Captain Marvel is trash. Dr. Strange is mediocre to good. I go to all of these films with a friend who is a big MCU fan, so I have seen them all whether I like it or not. Some are good, some are bad, most are mediocre.

My point is, there is certainly a range in quality amongst the MCU and anyone who says they are all shitty is clearly very disconnected from what makes them entertaining. The good ones deliver what they intend to deliver, and do so very competently and often intelligently.

If someone is just not into that sort of entertainment at all, that's fine but then they were never going to be a fan in the first place and the rest of us can't be expected to be concerned about their opinion. It's kind of like when you see a video game review of an RPG from someone who hates RPGs in general...yeah they are going to hate it, but that doesn't provide any useful information about the quality of the game.

[Tea Monster]

'The Rise of Skywalker' is an amazing roller coaster of a cinema ride. It reminded me very much in tone and feel of 'A New Hope'. I liked the fact that they blew through a rediculous amount of ships, planets and characters. The new characters have a lot of snappy dialogue and moments together. It's a great cinema adventure and a lot of fun.

There are a lot of problems though. The Last Jedi tried to be brave and take the series in a brand new direction, which I feel it sorely needed after the wholesale reusing of plot points from the past films. Of course, all the basement dwelling neck beard fans took to Twitter and YouTube and raised a stink. Unfortunately, people at Disney listened to them, even though it should be obvious that the last people you allow near a story are the die-hard fans with no perspective. A fair chunk of 'Rise of Skywalker' deals with retconning all that went before and restoring royal lineage to the Force. Also, again, name and set dropping as many items of the original trilogy as you can. Sigh.

Rian Johnson democratised the Force. In the films, it is stated that the Force is in us ALL, not just royal peeps. Following that ideal would have delivered a much more challenging, and probably satisfying film. Instead, JJ and Disney reinstalled the royal dynamic. Only certain people can use the force now.

Say what you like about the faults of the prequels (and they are legion). At least George tried to do something new and different, whether it worked or not. This trilogy, although more successful on many fronts, has too much of a feel of kids taking all the toys out of the toybox and rearranging them into a new pattern, rather than adults making a new set of toys to play with.

[Mark]

I think Natalie Portman looks great. Her acting chops are in the middle of the pack. This is overall, not just her time in SW.
Even though there is stuff to pick apart in every SW movie, I enjoyed them all. I never walked out of the cinema upset about how bad this or that was and ragging on about it for years.

[Tea Monster]

There are some amazing action sequences in the prequels. I think the big problem was Hayden Christensen. He couldn't act, and continually gave forth the aura of a frustrated toddler. One of the key pieces of the prequels was the developing romance between Padme and Anakin. I really can't remember any other cinema couple with such a complete lack of on-screen chemistry. None of it was believable when they talked of their love.

Various annoying and racist side characters were racist and annoying, but to have a romantic tale at the heart of your epic space fantasy when there is more romance in a box of Captain Crunch, then some shit is seriously messed up!

[Mark]

I'm curious to hear the story of how you found romance in a box of Captain Crunch. Did it have anything to do with Sea Dog?

[Radar]

HorseDongSub69, on 30 December 2019 - 11:26 PM, said:

No way dude. I grew up reading Marvel comics. The MCU has always been disappointing trash. Every good Marvel film has been a fluke.

Here is a list of the only good movies based off of Marvel properties, in chronological order.

Howard the Duck
The Punisher (1989)
Blade
The Punisher (2004)
Spider-Man 2 (2004)
Iron Man
Thor
The Wolverine
X-Men: Days of Future Past
Guardians of the Galaxy
Deadpool
Logan
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Thor: Ragnarok

And I'm being fucking generous because even half of these movies are filled with shit that just fucking pisses me off.

Going through the entire Infinity Saga, I liked all of them except for the Hulk, Iron Man sequels, Age of Ultron, and obviously Captain Marvel. I also think the Captain America sequels are overrated; I like the first one the most. But when it comes to these movies I'm not hard to please. I don't care about comic book accuracy. The comics themselves contradict each other and have so many offshoots, different story arcs, multiple universes, don't age over time, etc. Why should only the comics be allowed that creative license? I don't care what the movies do as long as it's good and makes sense on-screen.

[Tea Monster]

Mark, on 31 December 2019 - 08:08 AM, said:

I'm curious to hear the story of how you found romance in a box of Captain Crunch. Did it have anything to do with Sea Dog?

I was on the rebound from Cocoa Pebbles. You know what they say about once you go chocolate....

Of course, that was before I hit the hard stuff. They don't call it Sugar Smack for nothing.

[Danukem]

A lot of the criticisms of TLJ were valid and had nothing to do with neckbeards. That film wrote SW into a corner and there wasn't much that could be done about it. They killed off Snoke before he got to do anything and forced them to reset to a different villain with zero setup. Palpatine just comes out of left field because they didn't plan it. Luke's character arc made no sense, despite lame attempts at justifying it. Rei is a complete Mary-Sue, and rather than address that they just double-down and somehow made her even more of a Mary-Sue. You don't have to be a neckbeard to see these things. I have friends who are very liberal and hate neckbeards and make the same criticisms. And don't even get me started about the Holdo maneuver garbage and the casino planet. TLJ was a piece of shit.

The force was already as democratized as it needed to be in the original trilogy (episodes 4-6). It was clearly explained that it was an energy field that all living things could tap into, but some are stronger with it and better at it than others. So it was democratized in the same sense that athletic ability is. Some people have more natural ability than others, but everyone can train and improve their base stats. The original trilogy never implied that force powers were only available to a select few -- that storyline took place at a time when few people believed in the force, so nobody was training.

[Malgon]

^Well said, TLJ was fucking shit.

[gemeaux333]

Georges Lucas made the Episode 1 aiming 12 y.o audience (probably like he did for episode 4 back then), and as I was 12 back then I liked it as well as episodes 2 and 3 like many many others in my case...
When It comes to the romance Anakin / Padme, it reminds me the words of Ameona at the end of Shadow Warrior 2 : "Everything in the universe is attracted to its opposite, from teens romances to black holes !"

[Mike Norvak]

I don't know, I think people like to take some forms of entertainment too serious, but at the same time absorb it in a passive way. I mean why anyone that hated TLJ would even consider to go to the cinema and give more money to Disney?

[necroslut]

Mike Norvak, on 01 January 2020 - 07:28 PM, said:

I don't know, I think people like to take some forms of entertainment too serious, but at the same time absorb it in a passive way. I mean why anyone that hated TLJ would even consider to go to the cinema and give more money to Disney?

That was sort of my point to begin with. While those who like the new Star Wars movies are idiots, "no offense", those who don't but constantly lose their shit when a new bad SW movie comes out are idiots too. Fuck all of you.

[Mark]

From reading your previous angry and negative posts, be sure to include yourself in that "lose your shit" group. No offense.

[Merlijn]

Mike Norvak, on 01 January 2020 - 07:28 PM, said:

I don't know, I think people like to take some forms of entertainment too serious, but at the same time absorb it in a passive way. I mean why anyone that hated TLJ would even consider to go to the cinema and give more money to Disney?

Morbid curiosity? XD Nah, in my case my friends all wanted to go see The rise of Skywalker and I'm not going to be a stick in the mud about it.
I'm not that petty. Besides, I have an unlimited movie pass so it's not like I'm losing any money over it.

I also would like to add that, even though the sequel trilogy failed to tell a coherent story it's still fun to disect and discuss it.
It wouldn't surprise me if we get a lot juicy behind the scenes stories in the years to come.

Last but not least, The Mandalorian and Rogue One are actually good.
So Disney is capable of creating good SW content. Which makes the failure of the trilogy even more interesting..

[necroslut]

Mark, on 02 January 2020 - 06:44 AM, said:

From reading your previous angry and negative posts, be sure to include yourself in that "lose your shit" group. No offense.

Negative? Sure. Angry? Hardly. Like I said, I don't care about Star Wars, I don't expect anything from it.