[Never Forgotten]

Zaxx, on 27 March 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

And that's a setting and tone where you can tell an interesting story TR never attempted before. I might have been frustrated about it if the original TR series was healthy as a franchise but let's face it: after Underworld it was dead as a doornail.

There is one thing I'm genuinely angry about when it comes to the new TR and I think that's the real issue instead of whatever route they took with Lara as a character: the gameplay. To me the heart and soul of Tomb Raider was never the story or sexy Lara, it was solving cool puzzles and overcoming the challenging environment by platforming. That's the experience I want from the series and while the new games are competent action games as a fan of the originals I feel left behind so Square can satisfy a larger audience. The way I see it Anniversary was the last true Tomb Raider game so it's just sad that that type of 3D platformer (along with Prince of Persia) died out. I want that shit back.

I never got to play the old ones, I've only seen gameplay. But I love the character of Lara. The problem with the new ones is something you mentioned. They're trying to satisfy a larger audience. That meant toning down everything, her chest size/sex appeal, the gameplay style,etc. It's a similar problem Splinter Cell went through, they tried making it more accessible, and in doing so, it lost its soul.

[Zaxx]

Never Forgotten, on 27 March 2018 - 08:22 PM, said:

I never got to play the old ones, I've only seen gameplay. But I love the character of Lara. The problem with the new ones is something you mentioned. They're trying to satisfy a larger audience. That meant toning down everything, her chest size/sex appeal, the gameplay style,etc. It's a similar problem Splinter Cell went through, they tried making it more accessible, and in doing so, it lost its soul.

The thing is that they already made Legend, Anniversary and Underworld a lot more accessible than the original games were and it worked wonderfully. Guess the problem was that A) Underworld was not very good and if you look at the original games you see niche titles by today's standards. Originally TR was not too violent, they were atmospheric games about exploring ancient ruins and secrets, literally the only thing that was mainstream about it was the Lara as a sexy protagonist.

I get why they made the switch and changed the concept into an Uncharted-like third person shooter (and honestly the combat in the new TR titles is better than what Uncharted has to offer, it's more dynamic and it works better), I mean if they want to make AAA blockbusters to chase the big money that's fine by me but there would be room for more classic games in the franchise. Between two AAA games they could for example remake the old games in the style of Anniversary: they could do it from a moderate budget and the games would sell well enough for it to be worth it. There is a fan remake of TR2 in the works, it's running on Unreal Engine 4 and it looks great, dunno why couldn't they do something like this officially:

[MusicallyInspired]

I've never liked the original Tomb Raider style of control. I don't know if the later games refined it in any way, but I really disliked that original Tomb Raider, Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine/Emperor's Tomb, Duke Nukem Time To Kill/Land of the Babes control style. I've never played through the Tomb Raider games.

[Zaxx]

MusicallyInspired, on 27 March 2018 - 08:47 PM, said:

I've never liked the original Tomb Raider style of control. I don't know if the later games refined it in any way, but I really disliked that original Tomb Raider, Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine/Emperor's Tomb, Duke Nukem Time To Kill/Land of the Babes control style. I've never played through the Tomb Raider games.

Starting from TR Legend they dropped the original PSX control scheme and camera control (or lack thereof ). Legend, Anniversary and Underworld control like any other modern third person action-adventure game. If you played Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time or one of its sequels you'll know what to expect.

Anyway if you're new to the series Anniversary is a great way to start, it's the remake of TR1.

[Micky C]

Commando Nukem, on 27 March 2018 - 06:18 PM, said:

I doubt there's enough weight on there to worry about support issues.

I hope so, although weight probably won't be the issue. Weight + distance from the connection would likely be the critical issue in failure. I assume they'd have tested it for feasibility before producing them in bulk though.

[Hank]

Micky C, on 27 March 2018 - 09:15 PM, said:

I hope so, although weight probably won't be the issue. Weight + distance from the connection would likely be the critical issue in failure. I assume they'd have tested it for feasibility before producing them in bulk though.

Speaking of bulk, will this be a limited edition or bulk?

Even if the floppy fails, I want it as a collector item, so I will not actually use it.

[3rdmillhouse]

Zaxx, on 27 March 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

Yay, I'll open a huge can of worms now and explain where the line is.

The thing is that Duke is not a sexualized character, no matter how big his muscles are. Sexualization is not about the appearance of a character, it's about sexual objectification. So no matter how irrealistic Duke's body proportions and muscles are, he's not a sexual object and his appearance is not designed to evoke sexual objectification.

This is not a sexualized male:


This is a sexualized male:


The first one is about Arnie being strong and buff as fuck, the second is about Dante being a sexual object. Dante has a rose in his hand and his posture is feminine. His body has this weird, "sexy" curve in order to evoke a sense of motion because women are aroused by "sexual motion" and not by seeing a buff but static body.

Men are different: instead of "sexual motion" we like huge tits, hard nipples, round asses, you name it.

TLDRL: Male sexualization is when you see an image of a guy and your reaction is "wow, so gay".

This whole post reeks of Neogaf. So it's basically a bunch angry feminists who get to decide what sexualization is and isn't, and if men try to say otherwise they'll just shriek "male power fantasy" until you give up debating them.

[Mark]

BTW, thats a strawberry on a spoon. Not a rose.

[MusicallyInspired]

Yeah. I know women who like shirtless muscular black men. Fighting in mud. I don't think any one person gets to dictate what is and isn't sexualization. But there is a bell curve of preference for the most popular representations of sexualuzation and young Arnold flexing in his underwear is one of them.

[Zaxx]

MusicallyInspired, on 28 March 2018 - 09:23 AM, said:

Yeah. I know women who like shirtless muscular black men. Fighting in mud. I don't think any one person gets to dictate what is and isn't sexualization.

Let's be clear on something: I did not post an opinion, those are just facts, if you look up the subject (and not on NeoGaf, for fuck's sake... why is it that when you try to explain this stuff someone always appears with the insults?) this is what you will find.

And of course women like muscular men but psychologically it's not the muscle mass that is appealing but rather how that muscles mass "moves" (if you have low body fat with some nice guns it's physics that will make you look sexy ). That pic of Arnie can evoke the fantasy of "wow, what could THOSE do to me" in women just like an image of a handsome guy in a suit can "because psychology" but the point of the image is not that.

The best way to understand it is that female sexualization targets men while male sexualization targets women, that's why Dante's holding that rose (okay, strawberry, sorry, looking at an image like that closely is not a priority for a healthy heterosexual male ) and that's why he's laying there in that gay as hell posture. And really what would be the point of Duke being sexualized? 99% of people who play Duke Nukem are men, there is no audience to please with sexualized males in Duke Nukem.

Btw. I'm not a feminist (I mean I of course support women equality but modern feminism, especially gender feminism is about the absolute superiority of women if you look behind it, nothing to support there) and I've yet to see one feminist who speaks about or even acknowledges male sexualization as a thing. They just look at pictures of male models showing off their abs on the internet and meanwhile they complain about how only women are sexualized in media.

Anyway I don't like arguing about stuff like this so I stop (it's offtopic anyway), instead I encourage everyone to look this shit up. Speak out about it if you want to the next time those pesky Sarkeesians come around.

[Sanek]

That floppy disk looks cool!
However, the usb joint itself is not the most common one I think...
I mean, most PCs support that kind of usb's, don't know about the ones that the game will be sold with.

[Zaxx]

Sanek, on 28 March 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

That floppy disk looks cool!
However, the usb joint itself is not the most common one I think...
I mean, most PCs support that kind of usb's, don't know about the ones that the game will be sold with.

At least that's how it seems to me from the video. The case is just different.

[Mark]

Zaxx, on 28 March 2018 - 10:21 AM, said:

Anyway I don't like arguing about stuff like this so I stop (it's offtopic anyway)...

There are about 90 posts in the last week on the subject of Shelly's looks. Why stop now.

[3rdmillhouse]

Zaxx, on 28 March 2018 - 10:21 AM, said:

I did not post an opinion, those are just facts

I'm gonna need to see some receipts for that.

[Zaxx]

3rdmillhouse, on 28 March 2018 - 03:17 PM, said:

I'm gonna need to see some receipts for that.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q...e+sexualization

[MusicallyInspired]

Sanek, on 28 March 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

That floppy disk looks cool!
However, the usb joint itself is not the most common one I think...
I mean, most PCs support that kind of usb's, don't know about the ones that the game will be sold with.

It's the same thing it's just that the floppy one featured doesn't have the protective metal shell casing around it. It's the same chip and can still be read inside a standard USB port, though.

[Matthew]

3rdmillhouse, on 28 March 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

This whole post reeks of Neogaf. So it's basically a bunch angry feminists who get to decide what sexualization is and isn't, and if men try to say otherwise they'll just shriek "male power fantasy" until you give up debating them.

Those feminists are usually the fat and ugly ones, too. They bitch about an "impossible" standard of beauty set for women even though its a hell of a lot easier for the ladies to achieve their ideal bodies than it is for a man. Listen up, ladies, this is how you fatties do it.

Stop eating so damn much, develop some patience, and do moderate cardio 3x a week for 30 minutes.

There, you're welcome.

Love,

The guy who lost 113 pounds and continues to lose weight and now has to buy a new wardrobe, which is expensive as fuck and sucks something fierce.

[Zaxx]

Matthew, on 29 March 2018 - 04:29 AM, said:

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You do realize that with this kind of stereotyping you're doing the exact same thing those eeeevil radical feminists are doing to the audience of games like Duke 3D, right? Comments like this are part of the reason why that group thinks that Duke is the height of misogyny.

Edit: Meanwhile this is one of the most popular Steam reviews for the game:
http://steamcommunit...mmended/562860/
Man, these alt right / GamerGate / whatever weirdos are the worst. Say what you will about radical feminists but at least they use their own platforms to voice their ridiculous opinions, they don't come to random Steam forums and troll them to shit with their exaggerated outrage and general idiocy. The internet was a mistake.

[Player Lin]

Wow, what a nasty trolling-fest about the Fred's silly news post that already deleted...

Shouldn't the game itself is more important than these weirdos bullshit?

[Mblackwell]

If you want to continue this line of discussion I ask that you spin off into a new thread.

[leilei]

All I just see it as "beta boobshell its better because sexer !!! todays shelly is censered by femists!!!! my pennis needs boob shell or i wont buy"

Build engine usage isn't obligated to comply with unwritten toxic masculinity rules and expectations.

[xMobilemux]

You can't win no matter what.

Want this? You're feminist scum.

Want this? You're a perverted looser.

Want something in between? You're in denial. You just want some big titted bimbo.

[OpenMaw]

xMobilemux, on 29 March 2018 - 04:02 PM, said:

You can't win no matter what.

Want this? You're feminist scum.

Want this? You're a perverted looser.

Want something in between? You're in denial. You just want some big titted bimbo.

Yep. Fill a shotgun with straw, mannn...!


So looking at the screens shown on the end screen it looks like they may be reusing assets from Bombshell? The Kyre Trooper guys in particular? The look gives me a Redneck Rampage feeling.

[NNC]

Mblackwell, on 29 March 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

If you want to continue this line of discussion I ask that you spin off into a new thread.

Fucking this. Thread is a complete mess now.

[Mark]

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[OpenMaw]

That image in the upper right reminds me of refined LameDuke environment. I really dig the gritty feeling it provokes.

The rolling robot is slightly generic (imho), but I dig the spinny saw blade weapon. Again, reminds me of Redneck Rampage.

The image, middle right, is the one I was referencing in my previous post. That looks like one of the alien dudes from Bombshell. I find that interesting and i'm curious how that story element works out. I wasn't expecting aliens to make any kind of an appearance here.

Laser crossbow FTW.

[Hank]

Mblackwell, on 29 March 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

If you want to continue this line of discussion I ask that you spin off into a new thread.

xMobilemux, on 29 March 2018 - 04:02 PM, said:

You can't win no matter what.

Yep! I say, lets it play itself out, here and on Steam!

3D Realms want to re-imagine their provable failed past (got busted in 2009). Let them, with the Bombshell’s character history and yet unknown asinine tidbits to come. I humbly suggest to keep on developing your game, on the current superior track (class A+), and finish it. It will then take only one proper distributer to finance your next game. And that is what it is all about, to make a good living.

p.s. love the game, period, and the ehm, protagonist (spell), but don't tell my girl

[Forge]

xMobilemux, on 29 March 2018 - 04:02 PM, said:

You can't win no matter what

There is a win.

Let them create the character they want to create.
Let it develop the direction they want it to develop.

Don't cow down to people demanding fan-service
Don't get involved in stupid social justice games.

Ignore them all and let them eat their own brains.
Gag Fred from ever talking on the matter again, and fire any future PR desk jockey that does address it.


Basically exactly what Tx, Hendricks, & pretty much all of voidpoint are doing.

[OpenMaw]

...

How many people have managed a 100% completion so far?

[Forge]

Commando Nukem, on 29 March 2018 - 07:53 PM, said:

How many people have managed a 100% completion so far?

I only know of two who did it pre-spoiler videos. (vid dated Mar 2 -almost all other vids are from Mar 3 or later)
James, and the person that made the videos.

There were a couple secrets in each section that kicked my ass, and I ended up having to watch the vids.