[MusicallyInspired]

I'm still missing 5 freaking secrets in level 1. I know where 2 are I think but I don't know how to access them.

[TerminX]

Forge, on 29 March 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

There is a win.

Let them create the character they want to create.
Let it develop the direction they want it to develop.

Don't cow down to people demanding fan-service
Don't get involved in stupid social justice games.

Ignore them all and let them eat their own brains.
Gag Fred from ever talking on the matter again, and fire any future PR desk jockey that does address it.


Basically exactly what Tx, Hendricks, & pretty much all of voidpoint are doing.

Thanks for the support. Can you believe there are people so deranged that they think Hendricks and I are SJWs? LOL. This whole "controversy" is like an advertisement for a mental hospital. Fuck 'em.

[OpenMaw]

TerminX, on 29 March 2018 - 08:39 PM, said:

Thanks for the support. Can you believe there are people so deranged that they think Hendricks and I are SJWs? LOL. This whole "controversy" is like an advertisement for a mental hospital. Fuck 'em.

Nobody in this thread ever referred to you or Hendricks in that manner, so I can only assume you're talking about the STEAM forums.

[Micky C]

Forge, on 29 March 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

There is a win.

Let them create the character they want to create.

The game will be fully moddable, so people can always change the character.

[MrFlibble]

Commando Nukem, on 29 March 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

The rolling robot is slightly generic (imho), but I dig the spinny saw blade weapon. Again, reminds me of Redneck Rampage.

I was immediately reminded of this guy:

[necroslut]

Commando Nukem, on 29 March 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

That image in the upper right reminds me of refined LameDuke environment. I really dig the gritty feeling it provokes.

The rolling robot is slightly generic (imho), but I dig the spinny saw blade weapon. Again, reminds me of Redneck Rampage.

The image, middle right, is the one I was referencing in my previous post. That looks like one of the alien dudes from Bombshell. I find that interesting and i'm curious how that story element works out. I wasn't expecting aliens to make any kind of an appearance here.

Laser crossbow FTW.

Weren't the alien dudes from Bombshell pretty much a slightly revised version of the alien troopers from DNF? And I think the Redneck Rampage vibe is largely from the high-res 3D-looking sprites, but maybe that's just me. Agree about the LameDuke vibe, and that's cool.

MrFlibble, on 30 March 2018 - 12:53 AM, said:

I was immediately reminded of this guy:

A lot of the art design reminds me of Eradicator and Fate. Lot's of blue.

[Player Lin]

MusicallyInspired, on 29 March 2018 - 08:29 PM, said:

I'm still missing 5 freaking secrets in level 1. I know where 2 are I think but I don't know how to access them.

http://steamcommunit.../?id=1318022780

I hope this Steam guide does help for you finding them...

=

I already found all secrets thanks the guy who wrote the secret guide on Steam. But I cannot found the last enemy...I'm not sure why but I know I killed all enemies on the first and second level but after I found all secrets in the end of second level, still missed one enemy...one f***ing enemy...I tried search high, search low and search everywhere with noclip cheat, even I restarted the game again but still cannot found...played on hard difficulty, I just give up on 100% kills...at least I have 100% secrets.

[OpenMaw]

necroslut, on 30 March 2018 - 01:02 AM, said:

Weren't the alien dudes from Bombshell pretty much a slightly revised version of the alien troopers from DNF? And I think the Redneck Rampage vibe is largely from the high-res 3D-looking sprites, but maybe that's just me. Agree about the LameDuke vibe, and that's cool.

A lot of the art design reminds me of Eradicator and Fate. Lot's of blue.

From what was visible in the initial BS teaser trailer I thought they were 1:1 copies of the liz troopers. All you could see of them in the teaser were their feet though. In the final game they're still very obviously inspired by the design lineage.

[Forge]

MrFlibble, on 30 March 2018 - 12:53 AM, said:

I was immediately reminded of this guy:

[Mark]

It reminded me of this.

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[TerminX]

Commando Nukem, on 29 March 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

Nobody in this thread ever referred to you or Hendricks in that manner, so I can only assume you're talking about the STEAM forums.

I don't think anybody here has their head that far up their ass, but some of the people we've been dealing with elsewhere have been completely nuts.

[HulkNukem]

How many private messages and emails have you received from 'reviewers' asking for codes?

I still receive 5+ a day for a game I launched on Steam a year ago and went crazily under the radar.

[Mblackwell]

Btw, besides the marked secrets there are tons of unmarked secrets as well as a few hidden mechanics. Have fun poking around!

[Sanek]

I wonder if the screenshots showed above was staged or not.
I wouldn't mind if there was a simulated picture or two, since it will give us even more of that authentic retro experience.

[Fox]

100% staged.

[Doom64hunter]

Forge, on 29 March 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

Gag Fred from ever talking on the matter again, and fire any future PR desk jockey that does address it.

Don't do this actually.
If Wolfenstein 2 taught me anything, getting people like this guy angry could actually help sales.
They have a tendency to unwittingly create their own self-made marketing campaign for a game they desperately want people not to buy.

[Player Lin]

But IM isn't Wolfenstein 2...even I kind of get what you mean...

Again, such shitty marketing shitfest just doesn't fit games like IM if you ask me, and 3DR is NOT Bethesda/ZeniMax, if screwed up so hard then the backlash would be very serious problem for such small company like 3DR and Voidpoint.

[Forge]

Doom64hunter, on 31 March 2018 - 01:04 AM, said:

Don't do this actually.
If Wolfenstein 2 taught me anything, getting people like this guy angry could actually help sales.
They have a tendency to unwittingly create their own self-made marketing campaign for a game they desperately want people not to buy.

You can't reason with people that have more time on their hands than grasp on reality.

Intent means nothing, (twisted) interpretation and feelz is everything.
If someone tries to cater or pander to this completely fabricated social justice issue, then it will get nothing but backlash from everyone. Including the attention seekers that were supposed to be placated. They got what they wanted. Submission and compliance. Then they float away gloating on their moral high-ground cloud.

It was a bad tactical error for someone involved in the distribution of the game to even bring up the old crap from the 90's in the first place. It throws open the doors to criticism from all kinds of idiots off the street, at both extreme ends of the spectrum. Then voidpoint becomes guilty by association.

This is an origin story for fucks sake. Most people start out as 'normal' people before they go through some life changing experience. Even a good portion of comic book heroes were normal people before they got bit by a radio-active hamster, or their parents were killed by a roving band of nuns in a dark alley. Only a few were born with three sets of genitals on planet Spishak and migrated here illegally.
It's a common story-line premise.

[OpenMaw]

Forge, on 31 March 2018 - 03:48 AM, said:

It was a bad tactical error for someone involved in the distribution of the game to even bring up the old crap from the 90's in the first place. It throws open the doors to criticism from all kinds of idiots off the street, at both extreme ends of the spectrum. Then voidpoint becomes guilty by association.

I don't agree with that entirely. I think showing the history of the character is fine. Throwing the silly childish remarks into it was the real issue at play. Going, hey, this is the history and evolution of the character and letting the various designs speak for themselves would have been the better route.

Forge, on 31 March 2018 - 03:48 AM, said:

This is an origin story for fucks sake. Most people start out as 'normal' people before they go through some life changing experience. Even a good portion of comic book heroes were normal people before they got bit by a radio-active hamster, or their parents were killed by a roving band of nuns in a dark alley. Only a few were born with three sets of genitals on planet Spishak and migrated here illegally.
It's a common story-line premise.

I'm not even sure if the term is applicable in the classic sense given the fact that this is an old school shooter and if we're completely honest narrative like that isn't particularly important. IE: the timeline of the Duke Nukem games was always in a state of flux and so forth... With one glaring issue that I see which has saddled the character's narrative. Bombshell, the game, itself. If this is literally playing out what was referred to as the "Washington incident" Bombshell is basically sandbagged into the worst aspects of her future self. That is to say, if they even made another game featuring the character after IM and it's not just a one-off scenario. You'd have to time jump away from Bombshell/ignore it outright to give the character a chance to become something more palatable again.

Doom64hunter, on 31 March 2018 - 01:04 AM, said:

If Wolfenstein 2 taught me anything, getting people like this guy angry could actually help sales.
They have a tendency to unwittingly create their own self-made marketing campaign for a game they desperately want people not to buy.

Not always is bad press a good thing. Sometimes bad press is just bad press. The fundamental frustration beyond the audience of Wolfenstein II actually goes to the gameplay itself being such a downgrade from the first game, and since you spend far less time playing the game and instead listening to the characters preach, the politics at play stick out even further. It's a toxic mix. I don't think it's really helping the Wolfensten franchise to have that kind of press. Not in the long term.

Player Lin, on 31 March 2018 - 01:14 AM, said:

Again, such shitty marketing shitfest just doesn't fit games like IM if you ask me, and 3DR is NOT Bethesda/ZeniMax, if screwed up so hard then the backlash would be very serious problem for such small company like 3DR and Voidpoint.

Honestly I think that's even blowing this particular scenario out of proportion. There is nothing wrong with Ion Maiden and i'd be very surprised to find out that anyone with any sense looked at that concept art and said there was anything wrong with the game. My strongest words on the subject were that the character was a little bland. That's not even harsh criticism, and for the record that has nothing to do with the voice actress. I think she's doing a tremendous job and my hat goes off to her. It's definitely a huge improvement from the delivery and context given in Bombshell which was not dull nearly as much as it was often times awkward.

Even xMobilemux being basically the strongest critic of the character in relation to the concepts here on the forum is not really poo-pooing the game itself, just the notion that the character had to be X or Y.

So with that being said I don't think the two situations are nearly as comparable. This wasn't some massive media outcry that swept through the various outlets and had people calling for a boycott or anything. It sounds like a few outlying extremes on the STEAM forums doing what they always do over there, and that's be overly toxic and pathetic.

I do think there was some legitimate criticism to be made over the context the images were given, and I do think there is some room for improvement with the Shelly Harrison character.

[Zaxx]

Commando Nukem, on 31 March 2018 - 05:46 AM, said:

I don't agree with that entirely. I think showing the history of the character is fine. Throwing the silly childish remarks into it was the real issue at play. Going, hey, this is the history and evolution of the character and letting the various designs speak for themselves would have been the better route.

Let the designs speak for themselves? Dude, we're talking about internet retards who think 2+2 equals 3, letting the designs speak for themselves would have lead to the same stupid conclusions. Hell, if you look at the Steam forums these kind of idiotic "girl has armor, devs must be SJWs" opinions started even before Fred came out with the old stuff, he just catalyzed them so they became a problem.

[Player Lin]

Commando Nukem, on 31 March 2018 - 05:46 AM, said:

Honestly I think that's even blowing this particular scenario out of proportion. There is nothing wrong with Ion Maiden and i'd be very surprised to find out that anyone with any sense looked at that concept art and said there was anything wrong with the game. My strongest words on the subject were that the character was a little bland. That's not even harsh criticism, and for the record that has nothing to do with the voice actress. I think she's doing a tremendous job and my hat goes off to her. It's definitely a huge improvement from the delivery and context given in Bombshell which was not dull nearly as much as it was often times awkward.

Even xMobilemux being basically the strongest critic of the character in relation to the concepts here on the forum is not really poo-pooing the game itself, just the notion that the character had to be X or Y.

So with that being said I don't think the two situations are nearly as comparable. This wasn't some massive media outcry that swept through the various outlets and had people calling for a boycott or anything. It sounds like a few outlying extremes on the STEAM forums doing what they always do over there, and that's be overly toxic and pathetic.

I do think there was some legitimate criticism to be made over the context the images were given, and I do think there is some room for improvement with the Shelly Harrison character.

Internet just a weird place with shitload of weirdos and they may make your life miserable if you're not careful when deal with them, better just don't give any of shit to them, it just not worth any of your shit.

Agreed about it can be get some more improvements for IM's Shelly, but I still think current design(in Preview) is good enough(*) and I feel xMobilemux just a little overreacting IMHO, even I understand the point(s) of his critique and that's fine, because I know everyone has his/her own taste, just don't "demand the dev. should do something" and I think it's fine...

(*): Or maybe because I like these kind of design so I feel that's good enough, I don't know but I'm sure copying what Duke was had may just bad idea, she's brand new Shelly, not the original Bombshell that never see any of light.

[Forge]

Commando Nukem, on 31 March 2018 - 05:46 AM, said:

I'm not even sure if the term is applicable in the classic sense given the fact that this is an old school shooter and if we're completely honest narrative like that isn't particularly important.

Narrations and story lines being exclusive to everything except 90's shooters?
And retro ones made nearly two decades later, no less?
Ones labeled as prequels (implying there is a narration and sequence of events)?

Commando Nukem, on 31 March 2018 - 05:46 AM, said:

I don't agree with that entirely. I think showing the history of the character is fine. Throwing the silly childish remarks into it was the real issue at play. Going, hey, this is the history and evolution of the character and letting the various designs speak for themselves would have been the better route.

It not that it was done, it was a matter of who brought it up.
Intent was irrelevant. It was how the people took it, and the mess it turned into.
Maybe it was only a steam forum, but it won't go unnoticed by the Sarkeesites.

Commando Nukem, on 31 March 2018 - 05:46 AM, said:

the politics at play stick out even further. It's a toxic mix

I hope she gets a double mastectomy to go along with her arm being removed. Just to piss off people who think she has to be an over the top 90's sexpot in order to be a legitimate character in a retro game.
(she can rip on soy-boys too, call them the "real shemales", just to piss off the other end of the spectrum).

The character can be what ever they want it to be. It doesn't have to fit a special mold. And it doesn't have to be 'sandbagged' into a role.
Characters and stories get re-written all the time in books, movies, television shows, etc.
Bombshell was a bad dream, or an alternate universe Dick Grayson

[OpenMaw]

Zaxx, on 31 March 2018 - 06:01 AM, said:

Let the designs speak for themselves? Dude, we're talking about internet retards who think 2+2 equals 3, letting the designs speak for themselves would have lead to the same stupid conclusions. Hell, if you look at the Steam forums these kind of idiotic "girl has armor, devs must be SJWs" opinions started even before Fred came out with the old stuff, he just catalyzed them so they became a problem.

Exactly, so don't be a catalyzer in the first place, right? Context is for kings, but heavy lies the crown, and that's what happened there. The salt and toxicity on the STEAM forums has always been high.

Forge, on 31 March 2018 - 06:22 AM, said:

Narrations and story lines being exclusive to everything except 90's shooters?
And retro ones made nearly two decades later, no less?
Ones labeled as prequels (implying there is a narration and sequence of events)?

Forge, on 31 March 2018 - 06:22 AM, said:

The character can be what ever they want it to be. It doesn't have to fit a special mold. And it doesn't have to be 'sandbagged' into a role.
Characters and stories get re-written all the time in books, movies, television shows, etc.
Bombshell was a bad dream, or an alternate universe Dick Grayson

My point was that YMMV as to how much stock can be put into the term "prequel" given the context here. Where, Evil Dead style, the entire narrative could be altered and shifted around by the next installment in the series. IE DNF putting the events of Duke Nukem 3D sometime in "1996" even though Duke 1 - 2 and 3D form a vague connection that would place Duke Nukem 3D sometime in 1998.

The prequel argument you were putting forth holds no water if things are that disposable. That mean Ion Maiden isn't so much a prequel and is more akin to a soft reboot. Which I honestly think is the better way to go anyway.

Forge, on 31 March 2018 - 06:22 AM, said:

It not that it was done, it was a matter of who brought it up.
Intent was irrelevant. It was how the people took it, and the mess it turned into.
Maybe it was only a steam forum, but it won't go unnoticed by the Sarkeesites.

I can't agree. Intent is very important. If you show someone a picture and give it no context, it's on the viewer to give it context. Show that same picture and say "this represents the death of facism." You have now given the audience the means to critique it, and you, from that specific context. Controlling the narrative from the outset is very important when it comes to presentation.

[Forge]

Commando Nukem, on 31 March 2018 - 06:48 AM, said:

I can't agree. Intent is very important. If you show someone a picture and give it no context, it's on the viewer to give it context. Show that same picture and say "this represents the death of facism." You have now given the audience the means to critique it, and you, from that specific context. Controlling the narrative from the outset is very important when it comes to presentation.

Intent is shit. It's the reaction it creates.
Child porn is child porn, no matter if you call it 'art' or not.

Intent matters when you know your audience.
Knowing steam is a cesspool like twitter, the reaction to anything even remotely open for interpretation should have been expected.
If Fred had posted that here, it most likely would have never gotten the reaction it did.

[MusicallyInspired]

Commando Nukem, on 31 March 2018 - 05:46 AM, said:

I don't agree with that entirely. I think showing the history of the character is fine. Throwing the silly childish remarks into it was the real issue at play. Going, hey, this is the history and evolution of the character and letting the various designs speak for themselves would have been the better route.

If Fred had just posted those concept images without hanging a lantern on the "inappropriateness" and "embarrassment" of them, then he'd get heat for advocating for it, which is why he threw in the caveat in the first place. Either way it causes trouble, don't you see? It would have been better if it weren't released at all. Intent means nothing to the internet.

[OpenMaw]

Forge, on 31 March 2018 - 06:54 AM, said:

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Child porn is child porn, no matter if you call it 'art' or not.

That's a bit of an extreme example. That's like dropping the Hitler comparisons in there. Nobody but an insane person would argue that particular example. I assumed we were in the realm of thereasonable assumption, and reasonable expectation.

MusicallyInspired, on 31 March 2018 - 09:23 AM, said:

If Fred had just posted those concept images without hanging a lantern on the "inappropriateness" and "embarrassment" of them, then he'd get heat for advocating for it, which is why he threw in the caveat in the first place. Either way it causes trouble, don't you see? It would have been better if it weren't released at all. Intent means nothing to the internet.

I can see your point to a degree, but I think that outrage would be obviously silly, because the redesigns would indicate the exact opposite.

[Forge]

Commando Nukem, on 31 March 2018 - 10:45 AM, said:

I assumed we were in the realm of thereasonable assumption, and reasonable expectation
I can see your point to a degree, but I think that outrage would be obviously silly, because the redesigns would indicate the exact opposite.

you looked at this link?

Doom64hunter, on 31 March 2018 - 01:04 AM, said:

this guy

Case closed.

[Zaxx]

Forge, on 31 March 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

you looked at this link?

Hey, at least Sarge liked the game:
http://steamcommunit...mmended/562860/
Guess IM's "Brutal" enough.

[MusicallyInspired]

Commando Nukem, on 31 March 2018 - 10:45 AM, said:

I can see your point to a degree, but I think that outrage would be obviously silly, because the redesigns would indicate the exact opposite.

Dude....are you new to the internet or something? I agree it's silly. Of course it is. Any one person who sits and gives some thought to it would come to that conclusion. But you are vastly overestimating the intelligence of people on the internet. It's all about reaction not thinking.

[fgsfds]

Can we close this discussion already? Even steam forums got over it and that retarded Green Skeleton stopped making dozens of threads on 4chan like a week ago. You seem to be the only ones that still keep this shit going.