[Hendricks266]

Tetsuo, on Sep 1 2010, 07:00 PM, said:

What about the "feed me a dead cat" thing on the ATM machines and things like that?

That's another stupid HRP joke. Ever played without the HRP?

[DuduKrazy]

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"feed me a dead cat"

wasn't it "feed me a stray cat"?

[Tetsuo]

Hendricks266, on Sep 1 2010, 05:03 PM, said:

That's another stupid HRP joke. Ever played without the HRP?

Yeah i've played duke3d since it first came out... I just never paid attention to such low res artwork.

[Rellik]

Tetsuo, on Sep 1 2010, 06:00 PM, said:

What about the "feed me a dead cat" thing on the ATM machines and things like that?

As others said, that's a HRP thing. What bothers me is when a commonly used tile has the same "joke" repeated over every time you see the tile

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Not to mentioned the doomed space marine and the luke skywalker cameo and other things like that.

As I said earlier, those are well hidden secrets that you probably wouldn't know about on your first playthough.

[Danukem]

Rellik is right.

[Night Wolf]

American Psycho has no place in Duke Nukem 3D.
As far as i'm concerned if the original 8 bit tiles didn't have jokes to begin with or had text that was unreadable, then let's not lame it up with shitty jokes.
we never laughed at them in classic Duke.

[Green]

[Striker]

ozz, on Sep 2 2010, 03:36 AM, said:

American Psycho has no place in Duke Nukem 3D.
As far as i'm concerned if the original 8 bit tiles didn't have jokes to begin with or had text that was unreadable, then let's not lame it up with shitty jokes.
we never laughed at them in classic Duke.

Hey, I liked the humor on some of the tiles. Like the stuff in the Duke Burger map.

[NightFright]

In order to come back to topic...

SVN build #157 committed. Changes:
> #227 and 502 (with n/s maps) added

[Night Wolf]

The devastator isn't working right for me, the grill areas are showing up as black shapes.
anyone else having this problem?

[Roma Loom]

Post a screenie please.

[Tea Monster]

I've got to say that IMHO Duke is full of one-liners and Hollywood in-jokes. It NEVER took itself too seriously.

[Night Wolf]

Roma Loom, on Sep 5 2010, 08:10 PM, said:

Post a screenie please.

[Roma Loom]

Strange that you have them. Those black stripes are the result of "rebuild normals" in md3compiler. I don't have them, those spots are just acting weirdly with specular for me. Anyway this is the case when we need a good md3 exporter, or ASE2MD3 converter.

[Danukem]

Tea Monster, on Sep 5 2010, 04:48 AM, said:

I've got to say that IMHO Duke is full of one-liners and Hollywood in-jokes. It NEVER took itself too seriously.

Yep, but that's not the issue. The problem is when a joke that wasn't there before is made part of a tile. Maybe you have some funny T-shirts, but I'll bet you wouldn't like it if your kids got into your wardrobe and scribbled lame jokes on every piece of clothing you own. Over the years, hundreds of mappers have spent many thousands of hours creating levels for this game, with the knowledge of which tiles are serious, which are funny, and generally using the game's resources to create the mood they want. A lot of effort has been put into making some very serious and impressive levels. If the mood is spoiled by the HRP, it gives people a reason not to use it (and believe me, I know plenty of elite mappers who do not use it, partly for that reason). Duke 3D has the greatest collection of levels made for any game in history, and the HRP should respect and honor that legacy.

I don't recall any of your models ever having jokes added to them, by the way, so this isn't directed towards you.

[Spiker]

Fire has been remade a few times already. Yet, here is my attempt. Looks slightly better than in the vid and obiously looks much better with higher frame rate.
Let me know what you think, because I don't want to make another sets if this is bad.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=sCjOLzWAMMU

[Danukem]

Spiker, on Sep 5 2010, 10:41 AM, said:

Fire has been remade a few times already. Yet, here is my attempt. Looks slightly better than in the vid and obiously looks much better with higher frame rate.
Let me know what you think, because I don't want to make another sets if this is bad.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=sCjOLzWAMMU

It looks a little better than the current HRP fire, but it still has an annoying jump in the animation with every cycle.

[vakooja]

Tea Monster, on Sep 5 2010, 02:48 PM, said:

I've got to say that IMHO Duke is full of one-liners and Hollywood in-jokes. It NEVER took itself too seriously.

DeeperThought, on Sep 5 2010, 05:39 PM, said:

Yep, but that's not the issue. The problem is when a joke that wasn't there before is made part of a tile. Maybe you have some funny T-shirts, but I'll bet you wouldn't like it if your kids got into your wardrobe and scribbled lame jokes on every piece of clothing you own. Over the years, hundreds of mappers have spent many thousands of hours creating levels for this game, with the knowledge of which tiles are serious, which are funny, and generally using the game's resources to create the mood they want. A lot of effort has been put into making some very serious and impressive levels. If the mood is spoiled by the HRP, it gives people a reason not to use it (and believe me, I know plenty of elite mappers who do not use it, partly for that reason). Duke 3D has the greatest collection of levels made for any game in history, and the HRP should respect and honor that legacy.

I don't recall any of your models ever having jokes added to them, by the way, so this isn't directed towards you.

These are both very good points. If one was to make a tile such as the milk shelf (Shop-n-Bag level), there's nothing to suggest the tile is supposed to be funny so you'd have to think up all kinds of detail to it while avoiding making references to real world brands and whatnot, which I think you'll find hard as you can't put in real product labels and stuff either. This, in my mind, means we can't be too judgemental of a little intertextual humor if it goes well with the original look. Anyway, it's better that most of the stuff that can do without jokes in it stays generic. Overall, there's not much in the first 3 eps at least that should be bugging anyone right now.

[Tea Monster]

Spiker, on Sep 5 2010, 09:41 AM, said:

Fire has been remade a few times already. Yet, here is my attempt. Looks slightly better than in the vid and obiously looks much better with higher frame rate.
Let me know what you think, because I don't want to make another sets if this is bad.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=sCjOLzWAMMU

It looks more like Duke Nukem fire, but its missing a frame in there, which is why you are getting the 'glitch'. Either that or its got two of the same frame when it cycles.

[Spiker]

Tea Monster, on Sep 5 2010, 08:32 PM, said:

It looks more like Duke Nukem fire, but its missing a frame in there, which is why you are getting the 'glitch'. Either that or its got two of the same frame when it cycles.

I rendered it in Blender. I don't think there is a way to make particles loop?

[Stabs]

if you want a joke tile submit it as a lesser used PAL

solved... everybody wins

[Night Wolf]

vakooja, on Sep 6 2010, 05:03 AM, said:

These are both very good points. If one was to make a tile such as the milk shelf (Shop-n-Bag level), there's nothing to suggest the tile is supposed to be funny so you'd have to think up all kinds of detail to it while avoiding making references to real world brands and whatnot, which I think you'll find hard as you can't put in real product labels and stuff either. This, in my mind, means we can't be too judgemental of a little intertextual humor if it goes well with the original look. Anyway, it's better that most of the stuff that can do without jokes in it stays generic. Overall, there's not much in the first 3 eps at least that should be bugging anyone right now.

Speaking of Shop-n-Bag level ... The aisle shelves are a good example of crappy jokes ... some of the products are retarded, like pig cop stewed pork...
why would anyone eat a Pig Cop or a Protozoid slimer, Not only that didn't these aliens just invade earth.

if you look at the original tiles the food items are more simple ... this applied to all food products in duke they all have a distinct look, like cheaper brand products.
or something from the 70's.

Anyway this might be the reason I dislike episode 4, the first time I played it was with the HRP textures.

Iv'e got to say though, Food products are one of the hardest things to replicate in the HRP ... I attempted to remake the candy machine a while back it was looking pretty good until I realised I had to make the products inside the machine.

[ReaperMan]

ozz, on Sep 6 2010, 02:35 AM, said:

if you look at the original tiles the food items are more simple ... this applied to all food products in duke they all have a distinct look, like cheaper brand products.
or something from the 70's.

How about we have some brand flakes and Shop n' Bag generic brand beans on the store shelves then. I think those are good names for some of the products.

[Night Wolf]

ReaperMan, on Sep 7 2010, 01:48 AM, said:

How about we have some brand flakes and Shop n' Bag generic brand beans on the store shelves then. I think those are good names for some of the products.

Thats not a bad idea for the cans.
The cereal packets are different however, they look more like pixelated rippoff brand names haha
but then again they could also be shop n bag variety's

[ReaperMan]

ozz, on Sep 6 2010, 01:05 PM, said:

Thats not a bad idea for the cans.
The cereal packets are different however, they look more like pixelated rippoff brand names haha
but then again they could also be shop n bag variety's

How about Rice puffs, Sugar Flakes, Raisin Flakes, Fruit O's and Shredded Wheats.

[Night Wolf]

ReaperMan, on Sep 7 2010, 02:25 AM, said:

How about Rice puffs, Sugar Flakes, Raisin Flakes, Fruit O's and Shredded Wheats.

Names are one thing, designing the graphics for every item is another ... it would take alot of work.
I'm sure someone would be up for it, but I sure as hell aren't going to attempt it, lol.

[ReaperMan]

ozz, on Sep 6 2010, 12:34 PM, said:

Names are one thing, designing the graphics for every item is another ... it would take alot of work.
I'm sure someone would be up for it, but I sure as hell aren't going to attempt it, lol.

If you do they should look like this



The retro cereal boxes are much simpler then the ones now and would be much easier to do, besides they look nice.

[Night Wolf]

Exactly! fits in with the world of Duke ...
The cinema posters look retro too, they look almost like pinup posters.

In a way the games art design had a retro yet futuristic feel to it.

[ReaperMan]

ozz, on Sep 6 2010, 01:48 PM, said:

Exactly! fits in with the world of Duke ...
The cinema posters look retro too, they look almost like pinup posters.

Like this?

[Night Wolf]

ReaperMan, on Sep 7 2010, 02:51 AM, said:

Like this?

Spot on imo.
for future reference people need to know this.
I would really love to see the cinema posters remade in this style. the current ones look cheap and digital