[LeoD]

"al" and at least the r5505 short CON command versions do not seem like a good idea IMO. While they save typing a few characters, reading and understanding the CON code will become quite harder for others, especially newbies.

[EDIT:]Mark., the new definition will be added on my next checkin. (Wrong thread, btw. )

[Danukem]

LeoD, on 04 January 2016 - 04:46 PM, said:

"al" and at least the r5505 short CON command versions do not seem like a good idea IMO. While they save typing a few characters, reading and understanding the CON code will become quite harder for others, especially newbies.

I don't see the problem. Existing code will stay the same. It just gives people more options. There have always been plenty of ways to make code horribly unreadable.

[Mblackwell]

Besides something like "al" (which is addlogvar, not frequently used by amateur coders) most of the changes are logical and actually help clarify the code somewhat. Instead of having to know and type "addvar" and addvarvar you can type "add" and it covers both.

getactor[THISACTOR].z temp
subvar temp player[THISACTOR].posz
mulvarvar temp vel_mod
shiftvarr temp 2
setactor[THISACTOR].zvel temp

vs

geta[].z temp
sub temp player[].posz
mul temp vel_mod
shiftr temp 2
seta[].zvel temp

Anyway, you can blame me if you'd like since I'd been complaining to TerminX about the amount of typing I've been doing over the years. Long names are still valid though. Also, you're welcome for "abs".

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I love you TerminX!

[Danukem]

Am I correct that CON has no way of detecting whether the player has sound or music turned on? I have looked though the userdef members and pre-defined/constantly updated gamevars listed in the wiki, and that seems to be the case.

[Jblade]

No, there's no way IIRC - you can at least hack a way of detecting sounds by playing a silent sound and then checking to see if it's playing as ifsound returns false if sounds are disabled.

The latest snapshot seems to mess with alignto since it now seems to set the sector's lotag if you mess with that. As far as I know it was temporarily being used for fog pal stuff in the GL modes right? (Also I didn't get a response about the sound limit increase, it would be insanely useful for us if it was increased)

[Hendricks266]

Jblade, on 09 January 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

No, there's no way IIRC - you can at least hack a way of detecting sounds by playing a silent sound and then checking to see if it's playing as ifsound returns false if sounds are disabled.

I added userdef[].musictoggle at one point but I guess I didn't add one for sound. I just wrote a commit (which took all of three lines) and it will be in my next push.

Jblade, on 09 January 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

The latest snapshot seems to mess with alignto since it now seems to set the sector's lotag if you mess with that.

Alignto will forever and always be fogpal. What are some steps I can take to reproduce lotag getting clobbered?

Jblade, on 09 January 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

(Also I didn't get a response about the sound limit increase, it would be insanely useful for us if it was increased)

I would sooner add a redefinesound that you can call from a state, much like redefinequote. In this way I envision none of our limits ever being raised again--I'd like Lunatic to be able to load, unload, and rewrite ART and palette data on the fly.

[Jblade]

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Alignto will forever and always be fogpal. What are some steps I can take to reproduce lotag getting clobbered?

If you make a sprite or something and tell it to set the alignto of a sector, it'll end up setting the lotag as well. I'm not sure of the details beyond that, but I do know that when I played with the latest snapshot last night I was suddenly stepping into water when I stepped into sectors with an alignto of 1.

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I would sooner add a redefinesound that you can call from a state, much like redefinequote. In this way I envision none of our limits ever being raised again--I'd like Lunatic to be able to load, unload, and rewrite ART and palette data on the fly.

I remember you saying as much earlier, if this could be added I'd appreciate it a lot since we're at about 3340 sounds (release version of ep2 had about 3000 iirc)

[m210®]

Hi all! After update to newest version of eDuke32 my doors in BloodCM doesn't works since r5501. I think "dragpoint" command for walls was broken

And one request...there is "setinterpolation" command for smooth sectors moving in x/y surfaces, but what about Z coordinate? For smooth moving for Z I must insert SE31/32 sprite to such moving sector

[Jblade]

I've noticed that if you play the same sound again multiple times from the same actor than rather than overlapping each other it'll just basically play the sound again from the start (so basically a high ROF gun will just play the initial bit of the firing sound over and over ) I just thought that I can probably circumvent this by making the actor spawn another actor that'll play the sound for it but I just thought I'd ask if it's possible for a flag or something to do this as well.

EDIT: Alright just to clarify here, I think what the 'problem' (not really a problem of course since it's a minor thing) is that firing sounds from the player don't overlap each other. There's a few workarounds I can use for this (spawning an actor infront of the player so it's positioned correctly and playing the sound works great) so just ignore this request but I'll leave it here anyways so I don't just leave a blank post for no reason

[Danukem]

Jblade, on 25 January 2016 - 02:34 PM, said:

EDIT: Alright just to clarify here, I think what the 'problem' (not really a problem of course since it's a minor thing) is that firing sounds from the player don't overlap each other.

That's because each actor can only have one instance of a sound at a given time. So when you play the sound while an instance is still running, it becomes a new instance and starts over. Changing that would be major, and would break the ifactorsound command and probably other stuff.

What happens if you use globalsound instead?

[Jblade]

Yeah I suspected as much, as I said it's not really a problem just something I found interesting.

I've already found a solution where at the firing frame the player spawns an actor in front of them that plays the desired sound and then is removed instantly. This works perfectly and means machineguns and stuff have a roaring crescendo of sound rather than the kinda unnatural stuttering they had before. This only works with sound though and not globalsound, so I had to put the sprite in front of the player so it appears to come from the right direction.

Here's a video demonstrating what I was banging on about

[Danukem]

Jblade, on 26 January 2016 - 12:20 AM, said:

Yeah I suspected as much, as I said it's not really a problem just something I found interesting.

I've already found a solution where at the firing frame the player spawns an actor in front of them that plays the desired sound and then is removed instantly. This works perfectly and means machineguns and stuff have a roaring crescendo of sound rather than the kinda unnatural stuttering they had before. This only works with sound though and not globalsound, so I had to put the sprite in front of the player so it appears to come from the right direction.

Here's a video demonstrating what I was banging on about

That's a good demonstration of the difference, and I'm glad you have it working the way you want it. Personally, I think the normal system is fine. I like being able to hear each individual shot clearly -- on your system, the sound gets kind of muddled. Maybe that's because in the sound itself, the part after the initial bang is too loud and doesn't drop off quickly enough. I dunno.

[Jblade]

Yeah I can appreciate that - personally I favour more choatic gunfire sounds like in Heat or games like Insurgency - I do agree that some sounds will need tweaking a bit so they work better though.

[Hendricks266]

Has that property of sounds always existed in Duke? I need to know whether the situation means I have a bug to fix or a new feature to implement.

[Danukem]

Hendricks266, on 26 January 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

Has that property of sounds always existed in Duke? I need to know whether the situation means I have a bug to fix or a new feature to implement.

It was certainly like that when I started modding in 2006. I don't see any reason why the sound system would have been downgraded to its current state if it used to be able to handle multiple instances of a sound per actor.

[Fox]

It's more of a limitation than a bug. But it wouldn't hurt to change it.

Trooper Dan, on 25 January 2016 - 09:41 PM, said:

Changing that would be major, and would break the ifactorsound command and probably other stuff.

I don't see any problem that could result of it. Soundonce or ifactorsound would check for any instance of the sound playing within the actor.

[Danukem]

Fox, on 26 January 2016 - 05:55 PM, said:

It's more of a limitation than a bug. But it wouldn't hurt to change it.


I don't see any problem that could result of it. Soundonce or ifactorsound would check for any instance of the sound playing within the actor.

I guess it could be made to work in a way that doesn't break the current commands. ifactorsound should be true if there are any instances of the sound being played by the actor, and stopactorsound should stop all instances of the sound being played by that actor (if it doesn't stop all instances, then it definitely will break my mods)

However, given that it has always worked the other way, I would err on the side of caution. It's very frustrating when your mod gets broken by changes if you don''t want to be trapped in a perpetual cycle of mod maintenance. Here's an example of how the change could brake a lot of mods: some sounds may be played frequently, often before a previous instance is finished (e.g. enemies using machine guns). But there is a limited number of voices that can play at once. If multiple instances per actor are now allowed, other sounds may be forced out, leaving moments where only machine gun fire can be heard, whereas before other important sounds were still played.

Finally, considering that there are serious bugs in the current build (apparently including sector lotag manipulation being broken), changing the sound system and possibly adding more bugs should be the lowest priority.

[Tea Monster]

Does anyone remember how to add gloss maps to Polymer materials?

[Kyanos]

Tea Monster, on 30 January 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

Does anyone remember how to add gloss maps to Polymer materials?

   pal 0 { file "texture.png" specpower 25 specfactor 2 }
   specular { file "gloss.png" }

Is this what you're after?? I don't think we have true gloss maps per say, as in per pixel spec power gloss maps.

[Tea Monster]

I thought we did, and it was an alpha in one of the other maps.

[Kyanos]

Yes you're right, alpha channel on the normal map will modulate specfactor.

I read here.. https://forums.duke4...dpost__p__17998

[Mark]

Also in that thread Parkar said: " The height map is the alpha channel of the normal map. " and that gloss info can be stored in a greyscale layer in each of the RGB texture?? or something like that.

After all this time I'm still confused over the language and application of the various texture maps. Between conflicting statements and my lack of technical knowledge I've never been able to create the exact results I want. I've had limited success here and there but never the eye-popping, Mark you're great, standout textures I want.

[Tea Monster]

Normally (pun not intended), it's the height map that goes into the normal map alpha, to get parallax mapping.

[Mark]

So there is my issue. We have conflicting statements on what goes in the alpha channel.

[Tea Monster]

From Plagman - the gloss map goes into the alpha of the spec map.

[Jblade]

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Pause and resume sounds instead of just stopping them when opening menus or pausing the game.

Just saw this in the synthesis, fucking amazing! Just tested it ingame and it works great.

[Mblackwell]

Should save you a few thousand sound files eh?

[Jblade]

I've already gone through most of the cutscenes and condensed sound files into one longer one, so sadly not this is still really useful though, even from just making playing in general more pleasent. Having to pause whilst a long sound is playing and then having it silent always sucked but I thought it just one of those things.

[Danukem]

Speaking of the new sound pausing feature: would it be possible to add a flag for sound definitions so that sounds work the same way when stopping/starting for reasons other than pausing or menu access? Here is my use case: I have the star wars cantina song replacing the bar music, and the replacement is about 2 minutes long. If the player steps outside the range of the sound, and then steps back into range, the sound stops and then starts over from the beginning. It would be better if it resumed from the last point (maybe better still if it resumed from the place it _would_ have been if it had been playing the whole time, but I have a feeling that is asking too much).

[Hendricks266]

Trooper Dan, on 02 February 2016 - 11:03 AM, said:

(maybe better still if it resumed from the place it _would_ have been if it had been playing the whole time, but I have a feeling that is asking too much).

This way makes much more sense, and it sounds feasible. We would just need to internally setmusicposition based on totalclock when the sound comes in range. Effectively, it would be like the sound starts when the level starts and keeps playing/looping silently for the duration of the map.