[Tea Monster]

Looking forward to the day when the wraps come off. Good luck to you and the team fuegerstef.

[----]

Thanks, Tea Monster.

We will keep the usual forums updated.

[Tetsuo]

Mad Max RW, on 25 September 2011 - 06:04 AM, said:

I was extremely skeptical of this project at the beginning because, like others said before me, the vast majority fail. Especially the ones that start with a mountain of hype. Not just Duke Nukem related projects, but across the board.

The thing about that is I totally hate to be right about it. I mean who likes not seeing a promising project get follow through and get completed and released so we all can enjoy it? Sometimes it's torture looking at places like moddb because they are filled with the skeletons of similar professional looking projects that got canned for one reason or another... They are doing so well.. hyping people up.. making promises.. then suddenly one day out of the blue they say oh something happened project cancelled... move along there's nothing to see here.

It doesn't even have to be that the owners of the IP blocked them or that they lost interest or had a hard drive crash. Some company could just up and hire the mod\TC makers before they had a chance to complete and they accept and just abandon their project. Not saying that's what happened here but it's always a distinct possibility.

Also "When the time is right" could be never so there's no use to keep the hype up unless there's something concrete to go on other than "maybe someday".

We're better off just moving on and if something ever comes of this that's fine but I don't think there's any reason to just blindly keep the faith or something.

[Mr.Deviance]

I know you are among the people in charge of this project but this doesn't make you superior here...

fuegerstef, on 23 September 2011 - 04:42 PM, said:

You couldn't be more wrong. Just stay tuned.

fuegerstef, on 23 September 2011 - 04:56 PM, said:

fuegerstef, on 23 September 2011 - 05:47 PM, said:

Don't count on that.

fuegerstef, on 25 September 2011 - 05:43 AM, said:

fuegerstef, on 25 September 2011 - 07:00 AM, said:

I noticed that you love abusing the "" smiley...
You've used it 6 times just in this topic alone!
There are barely any posts where you didn't use it haha.

You are not cool when you over use the "" smiley in all of your posts, just so you know...
It just shows your superiority complex and it exposes your insecurity!
But if using the wink smiley excessively helps you keep your ego intact at the end of the day, then by all means, please abuse it!

[Tetsuo]

I'm not trying to be cool or any other crap you said so stop trying to do armchair psychoanalysis thank you very much. If uncalled for criticism helps you get a boner at the end of the day you need to get some help.

Whoops, I flew off the handle a little too early... I too sometimes use the emoticon so I thought it was a criticism of me If I could delete this post I would. Apologies.

[Martin]

Indie developers shouldn't say shit until they're ready to actually show something substantial and/or distribute a demo. A basic video of the rooftop area from Hollywood Holocaust and not much else isn't enough. If what you say is true, then what I'm saying is going to seem overly harsh. I don't care, because as the developer, you should have your end users in mind. You have to understand how it looks from our end. It doesn't look good. You're hyping the fuck out of it, and have been for some time, with nothing to show for it. I don't care if some people close to Duke Nukem have seen it behind closed doors and "have been impressed". They're bound to be. They love Duke Nukem and/or are personally-invested in it in some way, thus are bound to like it. Then you "put it on hold", fair enough. Then you come on these boards dropping pathetic, cryptic little hints saying that we "need to wait a couple weeks". To be honest, if it's just going to be all OK in a short amount of time, you might as well have said nothing. We haven't heard or seen anything of the product yet since it's inception. A couple dead weeks would have just been normal for us.

The whole thing is very strange and stinks of fish, if you ask me. The people involved in the project conduct themselves in a very annoying manner. I think you might have just picked on the Duke Nukem crowd because they're vulnerable at the moment, and needy-as-fuck. I'd love to be wrong. At least shut the fuck up until you're ready to put something out the door into our hands. I don't want to hear "We're bound by Gearbox" and so on. Totally not interesting to me. If you're not allowed to show anything until they say so, then stop fucking running your mouth until they set your product loose. Then come out of nowhere with something. You know what I mean? None of us should even know this project exists, yet. Then out of nowhere a Duke Nukem Reloaded video could have gone up with a seriously tangible amount of gameplay therein, and at the end of the video a line that says "Demo out next week" or something like that. Surely that would have been a whole lot better than this laughable scenario?

[Mr.Deviance]

Tetsuo, on 25 September 2011 - 02:47 PM, said:

I'm not trying to be cool or any other crap you said so stop trying to do armchair psychoanalysis thank you very much. If uncalled for criticism helps you get a boner at the end of the day you need to get some help.

I wasn't quoting you my friend, I was quoting fuegestef.
Read my post again...

[Tetsuo]

Mr.Deviance, on 25 September 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:

I wasn't quoting you my friend, I was quoting fuegestef.
Read my post again...

Yeah I edited my post.. reload and check it out.

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Mr.Deviance, on 25 September 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

It just shows your superiority complex and it exposes your insecurity!

Says the one who sent me (and others) that PM yesterday? Where you said you know our secret, but we don't have to worry because you will keep it safe and that you aren't called Mr. Deviance for no reason?


So, the others who don't want to wait and are sick of statements that don't reveal anything new can ask you from now on, it seems, as you even know more than we do ... never heard of a secret.



Seriously, what else can I do but use smileys then?

[Mad Max RW]

So when will fresch announce the new game he and his team are working on? Or more to the point, how soon after you guys give up dealing with Gearbox will development restart elsewhere? If you already have the people with the talent working together you might as well salvage something from this.

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fuegerstef, on 23 September 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

All I can say for now: Please wait one or two weeks. It probably won't take longer for further news and clarification.

I quoted the first page to reduce the number of complaints of new posts without new info.

[DavoX]

My take on this is that they probably found that they are a good team working together and since they use the UDK, why not make it on an entirely new game that they can actually sell and start a company with? I'm sure that if DNF had sucess they might've had more motivation for DNR.

[Fox]

Creating a mod with new maps and functions is completely different from creating an engine from the zero.

A very reasonable explanation was already provided by fuegerstef:

Quote

We don't have a problem with a media blackout - But when the license doesn't secure us a release, we can't justify spending so much time with the development, knowing that it might never see the light of the day.

There doesn't need to have anything else than this.

Perhaps you are right that they would be more motivated if DNF was a better game, but the biggest problem for sure is Gearbox. Just by playing DNF you can already tell how bureaucratic they are.

[Mr.Deviance]

fuegerstef, on 25 September 2011 - 04:22 PM, said:

Says the one who sent me (and others) that PM yesterday? Where you said you know our secret, but we don't have to worry because you will keep it safe and that you aren't called Mr. Deviance for no reason?


So, the others who don't want to wait and are sick of statements that don't reveal anything new can ask you from now on, it seems, as you even know more than we do ... never heard of a secret.



Seriously, what else can I do but use smileys then?

Haha, wow you truly are insecure beyond any doubt.
My pm doesn't reveal any form of insecurity dude, It may reveal a little arrogance or bluffing but definitely not insecurity, you need to get your facts right.

The biggest problem here, is that you don't seem to understand that for this community I am just a random user with no obligations what so ever, while you are among the people in charge of this overhyped project that's been recently put on hold...

The difference between me and you is that I have all the rights to be arrogant, dumb, insecure or what ever the hell I want to be, because I am just not important enough for the general public to matter, nor do I expect anybody to give me more respect than I deserve or to laugh at my dumb jokes.
I don't share the responsability for such a demanding project like the one you are part of, so people simply don't judge me and even if they do, I can simply afford to be judged online.

So the difference between me and you is that you can't afford to look dumb or insecure because people will start realizing what kind of guy is among those in charge at that project.
If you wouldn't have been among the people in charge of this project, you could bet your ass that I would have never bothered to double check what you post and how you post it.
It's not my style to attack equal members of a community, when their posts don't come against mine or against common sense.

The reason why I am calling you arrogant and insecure is because you consider yourself above everybody else here, without earning your respect first.
I could always brag that I have single-handedly done more for the DNF pc fans, than both you and Fresh put together.
And the cool part on this forum is that I have facts to back my claims with, I have results and I have received thanks, while you and your bunch of incapable, arrogant and insecure people, have nothing to show yet you still act like you've got a stick up your asses.

Dear, Fuegerstef!
You are an insecure person and I believe you are also incapable!
Capische?

[----]

[Mr.Deviance]

fuegerstef, on 25 September 2011 - 07:59 PM, said:

I will take that as a Yes to my question.

[----]

I understood what you thought.

[Mr.Deviance]

fuegerstef, on 25 September 2011 - 08:06 PM, said:

I understood what you thought.

Ok... Then we are done here!

[Jimmy]

I'm with Martin, this is bullshit. Stop talking in fucking codes. "Project is cancelled by Gearbox; We have things in the works wait a few weeks. " What kind of stupid bullshit is that? You're explicitly stating that the project is dead and we should forget about it, while underhandedly suggesting that this isn't true. The project is dead and you still can't stop your hype-machine. Shut the fuck up.

[Mr.Deviance]

Captain Awesome, on 25 September 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

I'm with Martin, this is bullshit. Stop talking in fucking codes. "Project is cancelled by Gearbox; We have things in the works wait a few weeks. " What kind of stupid bullshit is that? You're explicitly stating that the project is dead and we should forget about it, while underhandedly suggesting that this isn't true. The project is dead and you still can't stop your hype-machine. Shut the fuck up.

I agree with this! That's exactly what I accused Fresch and Fuegerstef of doing on page 2 page of this topic.
One guy is saying it's pretty much dead, while the other is running his hypemachine.
It's like there's a fight in team and one side of them is represented by Fuegerstef and the other side is represented by Fresch.
Either that, or they want to drive us crazy with their conflicting posts.

So kids, did you clean your rooms today?

Fresch : I didn't and I might never clean it again.
Fuegerstef : Yes
Frech : No
Fuegerstef : Stay tuned
Frech : Aaa Yes I mean not now but maybe later
Fuegestef : Yes, No... aa I mean Yes
Fresch : I'm sorry but it's not my room and I can't clean it whenever I decide to
Fresch : I decided not to clean my room
Fuegerstef : Mr.Deviance is insecure not me, because of a pm he sent me yesterday.

Parents : Wtf you two, who is the liar here? You are so getting grounded!
Parents : Also who the fuck is Mr.Deviance ?
Fuegerstef :


This is how I view this entire soap...

[Tetsuo]

Nice story bro, can't wait for next episode.

[Tea Monster]

fuegerstef, on 25 September 2011 - 05:26 PM, said:

I quoted the first page to reduce the number of complaints of new posts without new info.

If everyone here just stopped, and thought, before putting fingers to keys, this would be a very different place.

[Fox]

Captain Awesome, on 25 September 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

I'm with Martin, this is bullshit. Stop talking in fucking codes. "Project is cancelled by Gearbox; We have things in the works wait a few weeks. " What kind of stupid bullshit is that? You're explicitly stating that the project is dead and we should forget about it, while underhandedly suggesting that this isn't true. The project is dead and you still can't stop your hype-machine. Shut the fuck up.

Like he mentioned, the reason behind everything is the license of Gearbox which doesn't grantee they will be able to release the game after completion.

It's obvious from this point they won't be sure of anything. They cancelled it, but may be having some discussion with Gearbox.

Their first mistake was to want the mod to be "licensed". Probably this earned them some publicity and modders jumped over them. But on the other hand, it's Gearbox we are talking about... just look at DNF, would you want to work under Gearbox?

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Tea Monster, on 25 September 2011 - 11:42 PM, said:

If everyone here just stopped, and thought, before putting fingers to keys, this would be a very different place.

I even think it could have stopped after the quoted post on the first page. It is not like we made this or the last Reloaded thread here.

Facts are as they are and haven't changed since the news.

- The license from Gearbox is still valid and hasn't changed.
- Reloaded is on hold for some time until we know when and if (!!!) media or the beta can be released.
- Wait one or two weeks until you get further news.


On page one Mr. Deviance asked why my post sounds like I want to say something but can't
That is simple: We aren't allowed to talk about more things than we talk about and I said so (using a wink smiley to imply that there are news coming up instead of total inactivity from everyone). Then I said wait one or two weeks for further news. And I even repeated that on page two. Instead we got another 3 pages (forum default) of discussions. . (On a sidenote: we got asked to clarify some of the false assupmtions coming up. Not related to the recent discsussion here, but some for example thought GBX shut us down, which is not the case).

[Ronin]

This was posted at Gearbox, if true someone just spilled the beans.

As the Lead 3D artist on Duke, I would just like to reiterate this. This was our team decision to stop working on Duke Reloaded. We were given a great opportunity by Gearbox and feel in no way cheated out of anything. We are very grateful for allowing us to work on the project.

With that said, I feel some people may be reading into this to much and putting a needless amount of blame on Gearbox.

We as a team felt it was time to move onto a new project. That simple.


Lead 3D Artist
Nick Quackenbush
Duke Nukem: Reloaded

There ya have it, straight from Quackenbushs beak!

[Mad Max RW]

So this is all about drumming up interest for a new game. Called it.

[Mr.Deviance]

Mad Max RW, on 26 September 2011 - 03:18 AM, said:

So this is all about drumming up interest for a new game. Called it.

If they decided that they are too cool to keep losing their time with a free project like DNR and instead they should start work at a new project from which they can get money, I am simply not going to buy that potential game even if It will be the best game ever made !
If DNR was just supposed to serve as a portfolio before it ever got out of alpha, then these guys are real scumbags with no honor at all.
I don't think even they can be so low down and despicable, that would be too low even for them...

[Ronin]

Mad Max RW, on 26 September 2011 - 03:18 AM, said:

So this is all about drumming up interest for a new game. Called it.

Yes you did, but why are they telling us here? If its not going to be a Duke game why would anyone here give two shits about it, it becomes just another game. Unless they are abandoning the Duke 3d thing and bringing Duke in a completely new direction with a new "story".

Either way now we have 3 differant people with 3 differant songs, so hmm the left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing or so it seems. If drumming up interest is what they are after they have succeded, but it better be a Duke game or I dont give a shit, actually it might be better if the whole thing stopped because I dont want to get my hopes up again such is the curse of Duke Nukem.

[thelegend4ever]

I knew it. EVERYTIME when something gets overhyped, it fails...perfect example, Guns & Roses' Chinese Democracy. Although I was looking forward to what they "have/had" in Reloaded, I also detected that their overconfidence and cocky attitude was either out of insecurity due to them really not knowing what the end result would be, or they believed their own fuckin hype thinking there would be no repercussions. And look what happened, it came back and bit them right in their asses. Lesson of the day: DON'T GIVE PEOPLE FALSE HOPE BY OVERYHYPING SOMETHING WITHOUT ANYTHING TO BACK IT UP. That's like if someone told their girl over and over that they're going to Hawaii for their honeymoon and will get the penthouse suite...only to later say "Well Baby, they kinda wanted alittle too much money for the ticket and room, so we'll have to put that on hold. But hey! Atleast we can get a log cabin in Montana....just stay tuned" That's nothing but disappoint.

[Frederik Schreiber]

There is a lot of speculation going on here.

Let me just clarify a few things.

1. The game has NOT been cancelled.
But you have to put your self in our situation -
I cannot justify having 40+ guys working day and night on a project,
which future isn't clarified.

We love Duke Nukem - And we love Duke Nukem Reloaded.
We think its a great game, and the people from Duke4 who played it seems to agree with us.
It has great potential, and we won't cancel it - We spent almost a year on this.

We were almost finished with the game -
This ultimately means that once Gearbox Software makes a decision on behalf of Duke Nukem Reloaded, that
gets the game in the hands of our fans, we will be able to finish it up, relatively fast.


2. There are a lot of false assumptions here.
Yes, we are playing around with new ideas - All developers are.

Whether those will be revealed or not, depends on the future status on Duke Nukem Reloaded.


Stay tuned - The game is NOT cancelled.