[Balls of Steel Forever]

AlieN1997, on 08 July 2020 - 06:25 PM, said:

Radicals aren't people in my opinion, and they had a hand in ruining most of the world's free will. In my opinion, and you can agree or disagree, maybe even call me a few screws loose which I have some because I was also a victim of multiple emotional abuse experiences (not related to anyone close with me.) Radicals aren't people, they're sub-insects that latch onto something just because Mommy and daddy dearest didn't treat them right or they had a very hard life. If you we're a human being, you would agree to disagree and it seems like you are. Opinions are opinions.

Radicals are sometimes necessary for change, Peter the great, Ataturk, Samuel Adams, at the time The Bolsheviks, Malcolm x, the black panthers, Nelson Mandela, Charles de Gaulle, Gorbachev, the list goes on.

Sometimes sweeping changes need to be made for the betterment of the country.

I like Tito even though he mass murderered thousands upon thousands of people, simply because people look back fondly upon living under his leadership.

And personally I don't see how funding countries that do deplorable things by way of trade is any different from doing it ourselves.

So I don't see us as any different from Tito era Yugoslavia, because we still exploit slavery for the trade of raw material, and trade with nations that mass murder and even create concentration camps, of which, our president conveyed he was in direct support of

I personally think we need radical change to get this nation back together.

[AlieN1997]

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 08 July 2020 - 07:13 PM, said:

Radicals are sometimes necessary for change, Peter the great, Ataturk, Samuel Adams, at the time The Bolsheviks, Malcolm x, the black panthers, Nelson Mandela, Charles de Gaulle, Gorbachev, the list goes on.

Sometimes sweeping changes need to be made for the betterment of the country.

I like Tito even though he mass murderered thousands upon thousands of people, simply because people look back fondly upon living under his leadership.

And personally I don't see how funding countries that do deplorable things by way of trade is any different from doing it ourselves.

So I don't see us as any different from Tito era Yugoslavia, because we still exploit slavery for the trade of raw material, and trade with nations that mass murder and even create concentration camps, of which, our president conveyed he was in direct support of

I personally think we need radical change to get this nation back together.

We need to unite with the rest of the world and set aside our differences, lecturing others what they should or should not do never works with anyone. The only way people take another person's advice is if they really want to hear it. We need to become a world that supports the idea of free will without the use of actual violence. Violence never works, and I wish it could with these neo-terroristic radicals, but humanity has evolved to a point where they can use the most slimiest and the most fucked up tactics to fuck over someone's life. Imprisonment however is a very different story because when someone is imprisoned, they don't get the chance to escape to the afterlife whatever it could be by destroying their own existence, they have to reflect and actually think about the things that they done which is even more effective than escaping through death. Some people cannot be fixed though but it works if the right people are handling the job. To be honest, I can't even come up with a better word for these cancel culturers other than radicals. They make people like Ghandi, MLK jr., and maybe even Christ himself spin in their own graves because of the way that they act, but then again I rather not judge for the afterlife if there even is one.

[Danukem]

AlieN1997, on 08 July 2020 - 07:32 PM, said:

We need to become a world that supports the idea of free will without the use of actual violence. Violence never works, and I wish it could with these neo-terroristic radicals

[AlieN1997]

Trooper Dan, on 08 July 2020 - 07:50 PM, said:

Starship Troopers is a very smart kind of movie, it plays humanity as a sort of good guy narrative but all in all, you hear little quips about the aliens just wanting the humans to stay off their planets and quit terraforming their homes. (at least that's what I remember in some scenes of the movie including the march on Klendathu.) That's why the bugs shot those meteors in the first place at Earth, basically wrapping the life of humans in the future in that movie as a sort of fascist narrative that's promoted to be normal. This is why Paul Verhoeven is a great director except for Showgirls.

[Danukem]

AlieN1997, on 08 July 2020 - 07:55 PM, said:

basically wrapping it as a sort of fascist narrative that's promoted to be normal.

Yes, and the director Paul Verhoeven is very explicit in interviews that the humans are fascists, complete with Nazi imagery such as the black trench coat worn by the Neil Patrick Harris scientist character. The point remains, though, that violence does solve problems, whether we like it or not. Remember the Tiananmen Square massacre? It worked great...hardly a peep out of the mainland Chinese to protest their government since then.

[AlieN1997]

Trooper Dan, on 08 July 2020 - 08:00 PM, said:

Yes, and the director Paul Verhoeven is very explicit in interviews that the humans are fascists, complete with Nazi imagery such as the black trench coat worn by the Neil Patrick Harris scientist character. The point remains, though, that violence does solve problems, whether we like it or not. Remember the Tiananmen Square massacre? It worked great...hardly a peep out of the mainland Chinese to protest their government since then.

Yeah, it's really sad how an inferior concept could solve such problems like that even if you like it or not. I honestly don't use it because I've seen too much of it, not in the real world but I seen videos like the case with Daniel Shaver where a cop basically was waving his AR-15 and took out a civilian that was scared and innocent, or the death of Muammar Ghaddafi who actually wanted to stop the war that was going on with the Middle East and make everyone profitable again, we couldn't have that though could we? They basically made him more of a martyr than anything else.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

AlieN1997, on 08 July 2020 - 08:05 PM, said:

Yeah, it's really sad how an inferior concept could solve such problems like that even if you like it or not. I honestly don't use it because I've seen too much of it, not in the real world but I seen videos like the case with Daniel Shaver where a cop basically was waving his AR-15 and took out a civilian that was scared and innocent, or the death of Muammar Ghaddafi who actually wanted to stop the war that was going on with the Middle East and make everyone profitable again, we couldn't have that though could we? They basically made him more of a martyr than anything else.

America only has interests.

[AlieN1997]

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 08 July 2020 - 08:11 PM, said:

America only has interests.

Exactly, and now it's constantly failing as a country because of it.

[Danukem]

AlieN1997, on 08 July 2020 - 08:05 PM, said:

Yeah, it's really sad how an inferior concept could solve such problems like that even if you like it or not. I honestly don't use it because I've seen too much of it, not in the real world but I seen videos like the case with Daniel Shaver where a cop basically was waving his AR-15 and took out a civilian that was scared and innocent, or the death of Muammar Ghaddafi who actually wanted to stop the war that was going on with the Middle East and make everyone profitable again, we couldn't have that though could we? They basically made him more of a martyr than anything else.

What your example shows is that small-scale violence doesn't solve big-scale conflicts. You just aren't thinking big enough. What happens when the people moved by the martyr all get massacred too? At a certain point the violence works, and history has proven this time and again. Do you worry about being raided by native tribes trying to take their land back? Nope, because they are gone. The violence worked. Maybe they had some martyrs early on, but it wasn't enough to save the day for them. (and yes it wasn't only violence that did them in yada yada) I think the teacher in ST is exactly right, whether it was intended as fascism or not.

Oh and because the internet is full of idiots who take things out of context, obviously I am not advocating large scale violence against anyone, just pointing out that it has been successfully used to wipe out opposition.

[AlieN1997]

Trooper Dan, on 08 July 2020 - 08:19 PM, said:

What your example shows is that small-scale violence doesn't solve big-scale conflicts. You just aren't thinking big enough. What happens when the people moved by the martyr all get massacred too? At a certain point the violence works, and history has proven this time and again. Do you worry about being raided by native tribes trying to take their land back? Nope, because they are gone. The violence worked. Maybe they had some martyrs early on, but it wasn't enough to save the day for them. (and yes it wasn't only violence that did them in yada yada) I think the teacher in ST is exactly right, whether it was intended as fascism or not.

Oh and because the internet is full of idiots who take things out of context, obviously I am not advocating large scale violence against anyone, just pointing out that it has been successfully used to wipe out opposition.

What i'm saying is that violence never works, it only creates more hate than what it's worth, the cancel culturers are just like this. They assume and judge someone just because that maybe they actually want to do something that can actually heal their own country, their own pain or maybe they just want to make friends. Ghadaffi was judged as a dictator when he wanted to actually bring prosperity back to the Middle east, and now it became a shithole that was burned to the ground because of Obama trying to cover up his past and eliminating his close relatives. Judgement comes from any side, which is why I hate taking sides as well. What i'm saying is that people keep killing each other because they don't like the look of someone, they don't like their opinions or beliefs, or the fact that they're just there and that they could make something that absolutely looks good like Ion Fury or maybe a movie like Alien 3's Assembly Cut (Look up the interview with cuckold James Cameron talking shit about David Fincher.)

Cancel Culture is one of those prolific forms of judgement, just like the Salem Witch Trials and at the end of the day, people should just really take into affect that Opinions are opinions, but they don't want that and they don't want you to enjoy your life. They want you to basically minecraft yourself in the end, I won't though and neither should you.

[AlieN1997]

Trooper Dan, on 08 July 2020 - 08:19 PM, said:

What your example shows is that small-scale violence doesn't solve big-scale conflicts. You just aren't thinking big enough. What happens when the people moved by the martyr all get massacred too? At a certain point the violence works, and history has proven this time and again. Do you worry about being raided by native tribes trying to take their land back? Nope, because they are gone. The violence worked. Maybe they had some martyrs early on, but it wasn't enough to save the day for them. (and yes it wasn't only violence that did them in yada yada) I think the teacher in ST is exactly right, whether it was intended as fascism or not.

Oh and because the internet is full of idiots who take things out of context, obviously I am not advocating large scale violence against anyone, just pointing out that it has been successfully used to wipe out opposition.

Now that I'm reading more of your comment, in some ways your right, including the Tianamen Square Massacre but looking at it now, Obama had his tribe wiped out and now it is actually biting him in the ass because people are going after that slime HC now over the e-mails that she got exposed over, and China had those protesters in HK until the COVID-19 virus hit. Karma works in mysterious ways, but i'm not the best at politics and world events, i'm just tired of all this cancel culture shit.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

I would like to say violence only perpetuates more violence.

With that being the case, violence can be the answer, but at what cost?

[Radar]

Violence isn't perpetuated by violence. People will be violent regardless of how you treat them because people are natural born pieces of sh!t. If the free world put down their weapons tomorrow there goes all our art and science and beautiful civilizations that took so long to create.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

R A D A Я, on 09 July 2020 - 03:20 AM, said:

Violence isn't perpetuated by violence. People will be violent regardless of how you treat them because people are natural born pieces of sh!t.

Yet another supporter for omnicide.

R A D A Я, on 09 July 2020 - 03:20 AM, said:

If the free world put down their weapons tomorrow there goes all our art and science and beautiful civilizations that took so long to create.

In all reality do we need all of these advances?

Without them I would either be considered a freak or a clairvoyant,
and most likely be dead due to suicide because man had not yet created sleeping medication or supplied the abundant amounts of caffeine to crash and burn and knock me out.

But was 17, 18, 19 years a fulfilling life?

by todays' standards no.

By the standards of the past, yeah.

War advances the human race.

I don't think we need to advance anymore, advancement only breeds further exploitation.

if not our fellow man, the very planet we stand on.

The only solution to ending human suffering, or the only way to attain world peace,
is if we all end up dead, and i accept that, and the planet would honestly be better off without us.
Maybe we leave a marker to describe to the race that succeeds us, our failure.

because that's what we are.

We were given so many advantages over our animal brethren,
yet we choose to murder millions of our own due to moral differences,
create an economy that runs off slavery or very much close to slavery,
torture, rape, and do unspeakable things to our fellow man.

We are beneath the animals that we set ourselves above.

Maybe things will change one day, and the human race can prove to me that we collectively have value,
but I doubt that day will ever come, and telling me the possibility of the human race proving their worth eventually
is a reason we should continue.

is like telling me that I won't be smiling for all eternity in the hell I know I'm going to.
The very same way Camus describes Sisyphus as being happy.
Acceptance of the absurd, acceptance of my fate.

Or if i am truly Cartaphilus, another wretched life wasted on this hell we call earth,
just less of the flames and the pokey rod thingey.

Either way I'll still be smiling.

And the human race will never change.

[Aristotle Gumball]

I fully endorse this message, if not necessarily the politics the author is involved with. Generally he's spot on, though.

Let's just fight it out and see who wins.

[Forge]

defund the police

[Phredreeke]

If we defund the police who will arrest people for using the wrong pronouns on twitter?

[Forge]

once the offender has been doxed it will be the outrage mob that shows up on their doorstep for a good old fashioned lynching

[Striker]

Forge, on 08 July 2020 - 07:58 AM, said:

Generally I also think in order to vote you should be have to either be a tax paying property owner, or sign up for selective service and be draft eligible.
If you aren't invested in the country, then you have no say in policy.
(certain exceptions like legit handicapped)

don't care about your skin color or if your genitals are an inny or an outtie


nobody is going to pay attention to you if you're a purplehaired jobless shitbag hippie that identifies as a walrus & is living in your parent's basement. No vote = no pandering politicians

I strongly disagree. That'd effectively make the disabled, and/or the poor and less fortunate even more powerless than they currently are. I'm not a property owner, and I'm currently not paying income tax as I currently do not have a job (mainly due to disability). However, that doesn't mean I'm not a contributor to our society in some way, and the communities around me IRL. I just do what I can with what I know how: I volunteer, I try to help people with my knowledge of technology, I've given people in mental health crises someone to talk to, I create things for others to enjoy, etc.

Unfortunately, because of shitty policy, job opportunities for someone like me are extremely few and far between. I should have the right to be able to vote against said shitty policy, I deserve as much of a voice as anyone. Also, I shouldn't have to risk being dragged into someone's bullshit war (which is more likely to be due to a petty disagreement between old men in power, an oil grab for some corporation, or a desperate attempt to fuel the military-industrial complex rather than fighting for your country's freedom to begin with) to have the right to vote.

[Jimmy]

Violence isn't wrong. It is the way nature intended. Non-violence is where all the problems come from, because it is unnatural conflict resolution. Most people these days are soft and weak of the mind and heart, "violence is icky." Most men are monsters on the inside however. A good man wields violence as a tool to clean up savagery as he would wield a machete to clean up brush. The Romans got it.

[Striker]

[Jimmy]

The animal world is the greatest example of the intrinsic nature of violence, because we can see how it permeates nearly every conceivable facet of life, while casting aside our lofty imaginations for how "advanced" humans are. Thinking is largely a waste of time from the point of the natural world. We should consider ourselves lucky we even have the opportunity. Men before us wielded violence to create something entirely new.

[Fox]

jimmy is a stupid fuck, on 09 July 2020 - 11:03 AM, said:

A good man wields violence as a tool to clean up savagery as he would wield a machete to clean up brush.

He would be a hypocrite if he doesn't kill himself too

[Jimmy]

Sounds like something a pleb would say.

[Fox]

jimmy is a stupid fuck, on 09 July 2020 - 11:16 AM, said:

The animal world is the greatest example of the intrinsic nature of violence, because we can see how it permeates nearly every conceivable facet of life, while casting aside our lofty imaginations for how "advanced" humans are. Thinking is largely a waste of time from the point of the natural world. We should consider ourselves lucky we even have the opportunity. Men before us wielded violence to create something entirely new.

Are you now a BLM rioter or something?

Sorry Jimmy, you are the minority, you loose the fight. Non-violence exists to protect people like you.

[Jimmy]

BLM rioters do not understand what they are doing. They are being violent for the sake of it. They are infected with nihilism and have no life purpose. Like any tool, violence can be misused. The action perpetrated through the tool is what is right or wrong. Violence is rarely used rightfully, but you would be unwise to think it is always wrong to use.

Non-violence exists, through naivety, to protect the savages.

[Radar]

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you are the minority, you loose the fight. Non-violence exists to protect people like you.

Say that to the McCloskeys.

[Fox]

R A D A Я, on 09 July 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

Say that to the McCloskeys.

They were violent, or victims of violence?

[Aristotle Gumball]

Jimmy, how's your spine doing?

[Jimmy]

It's doing great. How's the stalking going?