[Danukem]

gerolf, on 10 September 2020 - 10:19 AM, said:

Mods like those are easier to do in Duke 3D anyhow because you just have to change how many JIBS spawn in GAME.CON to get a more “brutal” gore effect. You don’t have to mess with anything other than a couple numbers. Doesn’t get much simpler than that.

Gore is definitely not the most difficult thing to improve, but your statement is inaccurate. The jibs can be recoded to fly through the air more realistically, to bounce, to leave misty trails of blood, to be frozen or burning when appropriate, to stay on the ground after falling, etc. The sprites themselves can also be replaced by better looking ones and with sprites that are customized to each specific enemy. Then there are glory kill style deaths with entirely new animations which can be context-sensitive. There's a lot to be done.

[dnskill]

Danukem, on 10 September 2020 - 10:28 AM, said:

The jibs can be recoded to fly through the air more realistically, to bounce, to leave misty trails of blood, to be frozen or burning when appropriate, to stay on the ground after falling, etc. The sprites themselves can also be replaced by better looking ones and with sprites that are customized to each specific enemy. Then there are glory kill style deaths with entirely new animations which can be context-sensitive. There's a lot to be done.

Yes, but I don't think you can make a small change like the one I suggested (which would increase how many giblets fly off enemies when they explode) through Doom modding without doing more than just increasing/decreasing the numbers to reflect the amount of gore that spews out. That's what I mean by simplicity. It isn't hard to change the number "2" to "200" through CON editing. Of course it takes more effort to make a bigger gore mod, but something as simple as that isn't complex at all, yet I see posts all the time from Doom modders about how hard Duke 3D modding is and they dismiss it altogether. It may be harder than Doom modding in some cases, but in this example I don't think that's the case.

[Jimmy]

The funny thing is that modding Duke is really easy, you just have to put effort into learning it's quirks.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Forge, on 10 September 2020 - 06:05 AM, said:

you severely underestimate how popular sims games are and how big their community is

do research next time please


e.g. the first Doom sold around 2 million units, Sims 1 sold around 11 million units, World of Warcraft sold around 14 million units

also behavioral "science" is never exact, but there are patterns

Wii sports sold 82,900,000 units
This number isn't representative of forum members

As wii sports doesn't even have it's own dedicated forum afaik.
there's subforums.

This sales number is arbitrary
in declaring the number of active moderators on a sims 1 forum.
you could've literally been on a sims 1 forum with 12 active users, for all I know.

And even if it was 200 moderators
that's still too low of a fraction to represent all moderators as a whole
and it's also biased as it's just one community.

[Forge]

The Overman, on 10 September 2020 - 02:16 PM, said:

Wii sports

sims is extremely more popular than doom or duke3d. Their communities dwarf these.

about half the world's population is female
so in order for me to have an adequate sampling that would suit your strict criteria I would have had to work for or been moderated by, what, 10% of them?
350,000,000 female supervisors required. Apply below.

if you want to have a certain world view about female leadership styles, not doing research when making offhand comments, and dismissing what I say because you don't feel like I have the experience dealing with female leadership, that's your prerogative.


fyi; i may be wrong, but I believe up until sims 3, the sims community was the largest dedicated video game community on the internet, and today is still the largest online female video game community. (iirc, the simsresource still ranks in the top 5 largest dedicated video game site). If you wanted to find one place where there was a strong concentration of female site owners, admins, & moderators, it would be that community.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Forge, on 10 September 2020 - 02:55 PM, said:

sims is extremely more popular than doom or duke3d. Their communities dwarf these.

about half the world's population is female
so in order for me to have an adequate sampling that would suit your strict criteria I would have had to work for or been moderated by, what, 10% of them?
350,000,000 female supervisors required. Apply below.

if you want to have a certain world view about female leadership styles, not doing research when making offhand comments, and dismissing what I say because you don't feel like I have the experience dealing with female leadership, that's your prerogative.

A random selection of a certain amount of active female moderators
vs
A random selection of active male moderators

would be more accurate

I'm not saying that your experience is invalid,
I'm saying that it isn't substantiated by accurate unbiased data

Sample sizes
1000-5000 random male or female moderators would allow for a 6.4%-2% confidence interval of the entire population of male or female moderators.

Jimmy, on 10 September 2020 - 07:54 AM, said:

You could actually have an imbalance of female hormones.

Hormone levels are fine I used to get my blood tested regularly.

Jimmy, on 10 September 2020 - 07:54 AM, said:

Guys who don't understand the differences between men and women expose their insular lifestyles. They don't have a group of men in their life (and if they do, they are not older men) or much experience with women. This breeds an imbalance in their Divine Femininity and makes them say things like "Not all women are X" while completely missing the point. The ability to generalize groups and situations is the greatest survival tactic man ever evolved into having, "trusting your gut" can save your life a million times over. Pretty much all women understand the differences between men and women and if you don't think they're using it to their full advantage all the time, you've been duped. They typically have the most social power, because men seek to protect them on an instinctual level. This instinct has largely been misappropriated in the first world because it is so safe, the things women "have to be" "protected" "from" are largely shadows on the wall compared to the third world.

Generalizations are fine

Applying generalizations to an entire community may become problematic.

Forge, on 10 September 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

and the majority of female moderators are going to be found in the sims community, but okay. I dealt with several female owners, about a dozen female admin, and more female moderators than I can recall.

and they are gamers, or dedicated to certain games. which makes them even more relatable to the simps at doomworld

Random data would also have to be unbiased data and not draw too many from one community

Gaming moderators aren't the only kind of moderators.

Spoiler

I didn't read the gaming communities thing
so the gaming moderators stuff is moot.

I'm leaving it there cause it's ok to be a dumbass.

[Forge]

and the majority of female moderators are going to be found in the sims community, but okay. I dealt with several female owners, about a dozen female admin, and more female moderators than I can recall.
and they are gamers, or dedicated to certain games. which makes them even more relatable to the simps at doomworld.

your criteria is unrealistic, and anybody can dismiss anything I post because I don't have access to the screen caps I took of the convos of these authoritarian crazies.

I get the impression that you only wish to defend yourself for dismissing what I posted without looking up what you were talking about.
You simply move the goal posts.

[Forge]

The Overman, on 10 September 2020 - 03:42 PM, said:

Gaming moderators aren't the only kind of moderators.

post editing to answer posts that are posted afterwards is kinda disingenuous

and why just isolate the criteria to moderators, if we're going full apples to oranges, why not include all female supervisors?

this is why i'm done with this convo. the goalposts keep moving so you can never be wrong about being dismissive

here's the soundbites from the original post that I'm addressing, you go ahead and include the entirety of the internet for arbitrary reasons

Jimmy, on 09 September 2020 - 02:13 PM, said:

In relation to gaming communities, your average gamer is probably male

Authoritative moderation is what women do,

Leadership styles change due to 'expectations'
scientific studies show:
if a woman is in a leadership role while holding a position that is traditionally male (the majority of the gaming community), then her leadership style is autocratic.
if a woman is in a leadership role in a traditionally female or androgynous position, then she's more democratic.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Forge, on 10 September 2020 - 03:56 PM, said:

post editing for follow up posts is still post editing

and why just isolate the criteria to moderators.
if we're going full apples to oranges, why not include all female supervisors?

this is why i'm done with this convo. the goalposts keep moving so you can never be wrong about being dismissive

here's the soundbites from the original post that I'm addressing, you go ahead and include the entirety of the internet for arbitrary reasons

that's fair I must've glanced over the gaming communities thing

nevertheless 1 or 2 gaming communities offers a biased viewpoint of all gaming communities as a whole.

It would be like drawing all the females from china to discuss government policy
and not bring in an equal amount of females from other countries to said discussion

The senate works this way with 2 representatives per state no matter the population
and such would be a much more accurate display of moderators
then just the president.

[Forge]

The Overman, on 10 September 2020 - 04:13 PM, said:

It would be like drawing all the females from china to discuss government policy
and not bring in an equal amount of females from other countries to said discussion

if they're discussing the chinese government, then the vast majority of the outsiders will have little pertinent input

apples and oranges again

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Forge, on 10 September 2020 - 04:31 PM, said:

if they're discussing the chinese government, then the vast majority of the outsiders will have little pertinent input

apples and oranges again

yes, I agree
world government policy would be a more apt comparison
to this convo

sims female moderators cannot accurately represent all female moderators
and making it proportionate (mostly sims female moderation)
would create bias.

EDIT:

Spoiler

similarly
the senate has displays no bias towards state governments
The house
has heavy bias towards certain state governments due to population size creating such bias.
to remove such bias and get an accurate portrayal of the female moderation scene
we would have to display it as equal representation and not a proportionate representation

Also I postedit all the time and this is the one time you notice?

[Jimmy]

The Overman, on 10 September 2020 - 03:42 PM, said:

Hormone levels are fine I used to get my blood tested regularly.

Depends on the metrics used and how much the "doctor" believes soy is good for you.

The Overman, on 10 September 2020 - 03:42 PM, said:

Applying generalizations to an entire community may become problematic.

I don't care.

[Fox]

Forge, on 10 September 2020 - 05:16 AM, said:

I was part of a mostly female admin team on a Sims 1 web forum.

They were insane.

You were allowed to only post positive and polite comments on their maps and object creations. Constructive criticism of any kind was severely frowned upon and considered a major taboo.
Oddly they vented through massive amounts of political derangement. Large amount of vinegar and hate permeated almost every thread. These people made Radar look like a meek little mouse (but from the other end of the political spectrum).

I was kicked from the admin team for suggesting that there be a dedicated section for non-game related topics. Two female moderators were also removed for agreeing with me.
I shortly got banned for publicly mentioning that tabloid rhetoric was derailing threads about map creation challenges. I found out later that apparently I was being misogynistic by not allowing women to speak.


tl;dr, Jimmy speaks the truth

In my personal experience, the worst people with authority I have meet were female. They were little dictators.

And I presume everyone had their quota of Dolores Umbridge lookalikes in their lives.

This said, I'm guessing that was a gigantic forum? From what I have seen, moderators turn batshit crazy when the forums becomes too large.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Jimmy, on 10 September 2020 - 05:55 PM, said:

Depends on the metrics used and how much the "doctor" believes soy is good for you.

A doc doesn't even know if I'm trans
B I don't touch soy
C I used to get my blood tested weekly for 2-3 months.
D most recent blood test which was months ago didn't have anything to talk about

Jimmy, on 10 September 2020 - 05:55 PM, said:

I don't care.

I mean I don't care for most opinions on here anymore,
too many people turn a blind eye to certain things when they shouldn't,
although I still like learning things from opposing opinions.

[Forge]

Fox, on 10 September 2020 - 05:59 PM, said:

This said, I'm guessing that was a gigantic forum? From what I have seen, moderators turn batshit crazy when the forums becomes too large.

the number of members was some ridiculous amount that I couldn't even keep up with. The average daily unique visitors was somewhere around 5,000.
The owner went all paranoid delusional on me after I suggested separating the forum up into game & non-game related topics. Part of my "job" was to keep the website secure, do the backups, install updates, and install plugins. First she accused me of trying to tell all the female staff what to do simply because i have a penis. (her words, not mine). Then she started accusing me of giving away security information and allowing hackers access to the forum's sql database. She was freakin' crazy, and most of the admin and mods weren't much better. especially when a good portion of them were also posting misplaced political stuff. (the equivalent here would be posting anti-trump or anti-biden stuff under somebody's map release thread) She booted me off the team, then booted me from the site. I found out from a few mods that weren't completely crazy that she was accusing me of trying to hack back into her site after I was banned. Yeah. No. I didn't want anything more to do with her crazy ass.

[Fox]

Forge, on 10 September 2020 - 06:28 PM, said:

the number of members was some ridiculous amount that I couldn't even keep up with. The average daily unique visitors was somewhere around 5,000.

I thought so.

From what I have seen, forums like roll dices to decide if a member gets banned.

Any sane moderator just quits it, and the ones that remain are power drunk narcissists. They have a zero tolerance policy, yet the forum is so big that it's essentially unmoderated 99.999% of the time.

The last time I tried to post on a site like that, I downvoted one post from the admin and got in trouble for "abusing the vote system".

[Jimmy]

The Overman, on 10 September 2020 - 06:19 PM, said:

A doc doesn't even know if I'm trans
B I don't touch soy
C I used to get my blood tested weekly for 2-3 months.
D most recent blood test which was months ago didn't have anything to talk about

You're missing the point. The medical industry actively encourages the feminization of men. Levels of testosterone they consider "normal" are low.

The Overman, on 10 September 2020 - 06:19 PM, said:

I mean I don't care for most opinions on here anymore,
too many people turn a blind eye to certain things when they shouldn't,
although I still like learning things from opposing opinions.

It has nothing to do with opinions. I don't give a fuck about being problematic. The truth is problematic, and it's something worth pursuing. (Not to imply that everything problematic is of the truth, but you should get my point.)

[Forge]

Fox, on 10 September 2020 - 07:08 PM, said:

I thought so.
From what I have seen, forums like roll dices to decide if a member gets banned.
Any sane moderator just quits it, and the ones that remain are power drunk narcissists. They have a zero tolerance policy, yet the forum is so big that it's essentially unmoderated 99.999% of the time.
The last time I tried to post on a site like that, I downvoted one post from the admin and got in trouble for "abusing the vote system".

They probably could have properly moderated it, if they weren't part of the problem. Power drunk narcissists is a fairly accurate description.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Jimmy, on 10 September 2020 - 07:28 PM, said:

It has nothing to do with opinions. I don't give a fuck about being problematic. The truth is problematic, and it's something worth pursuing. (Not to imply that everything problematic is of the truth, but you should get my point.)

Yes I agree that something being problematic doesn't really matter.
Some people start getting lost in the journey and what may be the truth gets misconstrued
to fit a certain agenda

blanket statements whether positive or negative can lead to
unintended consequences

Words mean different things to certain people
and it's best to check your ass every once in a while
because sometimes shit comes out of it

And sometimes you don't want to be the person
held responsible for such shit.
especially if such shit ends up in the mouth of the wrong person
I know you're not doing that but nonetheless, and I really say whatever the hell I want on this forum, so....
why did I scrub my pie analogy
is there anyway I can get my pie analogy back?

Spoiler

Forge, on 10 September 2020 - 03:56 PM, said:

post editing to answer posts that are posted afterwards is kinda disingenuous.

I didn't intend that I just don't like clutter

[PokeThePower]

Spoiler

The Overman, on 10 September 2020 - 03:42 PM, said:

Applying generalizations to an entire community may become problematic

Jimmy, on 10 September 2020 - 05:55 PM, said:

I don't care

The Overman, on 10 September 2020 - 06:19 PM, said:

although I still like learning things from opposing opinions

Jimmy, on 10 September 2020 - 07:28 PM, said:

I don't give a fuck

[Aristotle Gumball]

This discussion made me realize something about myself. I've always been good at talking to women, so I almost never run into issues with female mods even if they are a bit power-mad. I don't engage in bro-type behavior, in that I'm never the kind of guy that men elevate as "Mr. Cool", and I always say what I want, which a lot of women find refreshing. Conversely, men find me untrustworthy. I don't operate in hierarchies that most of them find comforting I guess. Like I'll just piss on everything if I don't agree with someone, no matter where they sit in the pecking order.

IRL it's sort of worked out in that I'm a fairly large guy with a fairly aggressive nature, so conflicts (rare as they are) get resolved quickly & decisively. On the internet though, I come off as unfriendly/disloyal or whatever.

I gotta hand it to the staff here. Most places would've kicked me a long time ago. The only communities I've been part of for years were ALL run by women that kind of protected me, lol. I could totally see how that would annoy some people, but it just always seemed to happen wherever I went.

All that said, I definitely think all your experiences are just as valid, but it's hard to draw any kind of conclusion besides "some women are bad when given power". Generalizations are fine, as long as we don't pretend they are objective.

[Danukem]

Cartaphallus, on 10 September 2020 - 11:05 PM, said:

Conversely, men find me untrustworthy. I don't operate in hierarchies that most of them find comforting I guess.

When I said I didn't trust you it was mainly because you were posting screenshotted private conversations, pictures that you found of forum members, and at least one screenshot of a discord convo that you thought would be useful ammunition. From my point of view, you acted dishonorably. I couldn't care less about whether you are a badboy who doesn't "operate in hierarchies". I don't hold grudges unless it involves actual harm to someone I care about, and your actions didn't hurt anyone. Nobody is perfect, including me.

[Aristotle Gumball]

I wasn't talking about you not trusting me or whatever, just general trends I've observed in my interactions, relating to the discussion that was happening on the previous page.

Danukem, on 11 September 2020 - 01:59 AM, said:

you were posting screenshotted private conversations, pictures that you found of forum members, and at least one screenshot of a discord convo that you thought would be useful ammunition.

It was pretty useful.

But yeah, that's how I roll, depending on how pissed I am or how morally bankrupt I deem a group of people or an entire community. I also considered you to have acted "dishonorably" (how dramatic).

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Danukem, on 11 September 2020 - 01:59 AM, said:

When I said I didn't trust you it was mainly because you were posting screenshotted private conversations, pictures that you found of forum members, and at least one screenshot of a discord convo that you thought would be useful ammunition. From my point of view, you acted dishonorably. I couldn't care less about whether you are a badboy who doesn't "operate in hierarchies". I don't hold grudges unless it involves actual harm to someone I care about, and your actions didn't hurt anyone. Nobody is perfect, including me.

I find everyone on here to be an asshat in their own lovely unique way.

[Aristotle Gumball]

I am simply the Wandering Dick.

[Fox]

Cartaphallus, on 10 September 2020 - 11:05 PM, said:

Conversely, men find me untrustworthy.

Cartaphallus, on 11 September 2020 - 02:39 AM, said:

But yeah, that's how I roll, depending on how pissed I am or how morally bankrupt I deem a group of people or an entire community.

Huh... wouldn't said men be right then?

[Aristotle Gumball]

Fox, on 11 September 2020 - 03:55 AM, said:

Huh... wouldn't said men be right then?

Depends on what you value in a person. I'm not loyal if I think you're turning into a bastard. This could be a good thing if you value friends who will call you out on BS. Bad if you seek enablers.

I guess I saw this forum as a dead end at some point and then all bets were off. I fully expected to be banned, but since I wasn't, I guess we're in virgin territory. To be honest, it appears some of you did listen to me or at least allowed your thought to be provoked, so I no longer think so negatively of Duke4.net.

The things I did in the past I no longer will do.