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Doucheworld reaches new low in their witch hunting retardation

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https://www.doomworl...oderation-team/

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Unsurprisingly, DN3D and Shadow Warrior keep getting brought up. The fact is, DN3D and Shadow Warrior are extraordinarily fucked up, and DN3D is full of misogynistic torture porn, but they were also created over 20 years ago and are outside of Doomworld's jurisdiction. You could release Doom in the modern indie gaming scene as a retro shooter, and I don't think there's anything in it that people would really have serious issues with. No publisher would touch DN3D or Shadow Warrior anymore. The people who gave a shit just weren't gamers in 1996. The reason they weren't gamers is because of shit like DN3D.


Seriously, are these people real? Are such people exist in the universe?
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User is offline   Hank 

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Yes, they are for real. Remember the Prohibition in the US? Same thing, today. It just happened that the new religion is political correctness; and the purge for unholy thoughts is in full swing.
I am a member of Doomworld, but like many other places, don't post there anymore.
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"No publisher would touch DN3D or Shadow Warrior anymore. The people who gave a shit just weren't gamers in 1996. The reason they weren't gamers is because of shit like DN3D."

I don't think he's wrong. The fact that this forum leans so far right it fell on its face is another indicator that no further Duke games will ever get made. Wait 10-15 years, maybe then. If the US experiences a total social collapse or something.
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User is offline   TerminX 

  • el fundador

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Edited the thread title, it's not necessary to include that to make your point.
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User is offline   Phredreeke 

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OG thread in case anyone wants to read it http://web.archive.o...-and-shadowman/
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View Postthricecursed, on 29 June 2020 - 09:46 AM, said:

"No publisher would touch DN3D or Shadow Warrior anymore. The people who gave a shit just weren't gamers in 1996. The reason they weren't gamers is because of shit like DN3D."

I don't think he's wrong. The fact that this forum leans so far right it fell on its face is another indicator that no further Duke games will ever get made. Wait 10-15 years, maybe then. If the US experiences a total social collapse or something.


Sure, Randy is incompetent because this forum leans far right.
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It's not about Randy. I think he's an incompetent moral degenerate who panders to the left when it's politically convenient. But here's the thing: Duke is really politically inconvenient for any developer/publisher to take on atm.
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User is offline   Phredreeke 

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Any larger Duke game would fall into one of two categories
- either it will be accused of being neutered
- or it will be accused of being deliberately edgy for the sake of being edgy

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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User is offline   Lazy Dog 

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it's a game, a f*cking game, not real life. it's that hard to see the difference? npc aren't people, they're pixels and code.

reading the rest of the thread makes me glad i have no doomworld account.

This post has been edited by Lazy Dog: 29 June 2020 - 11:12 AM

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User is offline   Ninety-Six 

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User is offline   Mark 

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View PostHank, on 29 June 2020 - 09:34 AM, said:

It just happened that the new religion is political correctness; and the purge for unholy thoughts is in full swing.

Not quite full swing. The left needs to look at it's own actions and condemn them as racist, divisive and hateful. THEN it would be in full swing. ;)

This post has been edited by Mark: 29 June 2020 - 11:36 AM

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User is offline   Hank 

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@ Mark
My English again? PC is neither left nor right. It is about their right or wrong. And PC is always right.

As a side note:
George B. once wrote about some themes in Duke 3D: 'If there is not one thing that you find offensive – we failed.' (paraphrased based on my memory) Duke was supposed to be very controversial. And now, as Phredreeke wrote, you are fucked with Duke either way. :(

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View PostLazy Dog, on 29 June 2020 - 10:59 AM, said:

it's a game, a f*cking game, not real life. it's that hard to see the difference? npc aren't people, they're pixels and code.

reading the rest of the thread makes me glad i have no doomworld account.


I mean, you could make that same argument about anything. There are racist shooters where the object is to kill arabs/black people, etc. They're not real people, everyone knows that. The point is when no one wants to play shit like that and is offended by it. You can still be offended by things. Where I draw the line is censoring creative works. But choosing to not host something on your website that you morally disagree with is not infringing on anybody's rights.

Also, I don't think Duke is representative of misogynism or some kind of jingoistic impulse, as much as it is an actual parody of it. But that seems lost on a quite a number of people, on this forum and elsewhere, who do take the character very seriously (almost to the point of idolizing him), and it's for this reason and the fact that the 80s happened 40 years ago (remember, Duke is an 80s action hero cliche) that a new Duke game would be the "bad kind" of controversial. It is much more a product of its time than something like Blood.

This post has been edited by thricecursed: 29 June 2020 - 01:03 PM

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User is offline   Lazy Dog 

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View Postthricecursed, on 29 June 2020 - 12:49 PM, said:

I mean, you could make that same argument about anything. There are racist shooters where the object is to kill arabs/black people, etc. They're not real people, everyone knows that. The point is when no one wants to play shit like that and is offended by it. You can still be offended by things. Where I draw the line is censoring creative works. But choosing to not host something on your website that you morally disagree with is not infringing on anybody's rights.


that's different. That game was made with the sole purpose of killing arabs/ black people, because in the devs twisted minds that's right. you take that out of the game and there's nothing left. that game was made to offend.

Duke 3D outright punishes you for killing women, and if you took them out of the game you'll have what? 99% of the game left? and i honestly doubt the devs thought too much about it, it was the 90's, and it was controversial.

now, i despise racism and sexism as much as the next guy, but i think today's world is too goddamn sensitive, people get offended by the smallest and stupidest things. Like a shampoo bottle in a certain retro shooter...

This post has been edited by Lazy Dog: 29 June 2020 - 01:32 PM

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User is offline   LeoD 

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View PostPhredreeke, on 29 June 2020 - 10:33 AM, said:

Any larger Duke game would fall into one of two categories
- either it will be accused of being neutered
- or it will be accused of being deliberately edgy for the sake of being edgy

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I think you might still get away with recreating Duke3D's "edginess". D4ever was just a complete fail in this regard (and quite some others).
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View PostLazy Dog, on 29 June 2020 - 01:02 PM, said:

in Duke 3d you take away every single women npc, the stripers, the ones captured by aliens, etc and you have what, 99% of the game left.


Duke's whole raison d'etre is to save the babes. What is a Duke game with no babes in it to save? They'd have to sterilize him so hard it'd just be a regular shooter with a blond protagonist who occasionally delivers one liners, but without being too offensive. Milqueduke.

The only place you can still make an anti-PC game is somewhere like Poland. Did anyone here play Hatred?
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User is offline   LeoD 

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View Postthricecursed, on 29 June 2020 - 01:12 PM, said:

Duke's whole raison d'etre is to save the babes. What is a Duke game with no babes in it to save?
If that were true he'd be able to actually save them ingame.
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User is online   Trooper Dan 

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View PostLeoD, on 29 June 2020 - 01:02 PM, said:

I think you might still get away with recreating Duke3D's "edginess".


Duke becomes a trans-woman and is renamed "The Duchess." No drugs, surgery or wardrobe change is required and you can't question it. The Duchess is super gay and really digs those cisgender chicks. Don't kink-shame her by questioning the torture porn. The Duchess is teamed up with a black dude who really hates cops -- of course they are all pigcops now, so that's convenient.
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View PostLeoD, on 29 June 2020 - 01:20 PM, said:

If that were true he'd be able to actually save them ingame.


You can in this:



Anyway, defeating an alien invasion kinda achieves that same basic goal.
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User is offline   Mark 

  • Polymer fanboy

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Instead of "come get some" Duchess prances around saying "get some come" :lol:
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User is offline   Ninety-Six 

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View PostMark, on 29 June 2020 - 01:29 PM, said:

Instead of "come get some" Duchess prances around saying "get some come" :lol:

i am offended by that mental image

brb goin on a crusade against something some kind of ism probably ill figure it out later

This post has been edited by Ninety-Six: 29 June 2020 - 01:35 PM

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User is offline   Lazy Dog 

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View Postthricecursed, on 29 June 2020 - 01:12 PM, said:

Duke's whole raison d'etre is to save the babes.


uh, no. that came later. He was pissed that after fighting an alien race, he came home to find another one invading. he was in a "for f*ck sake not this shit again" type mood.
as LeoD said, you can't even save the babes ingame. you may be able in other games, but not in 3D.

This post has been edited by Lazy Dog: 29 June 2020 - 01:46 PM

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View PostTrooper Dan, on 29 June 2020 - 01:24 PM, said:

Duke becomes a trans-woman and is renamed "The Duchess." No drugs, surgery or wardrobe change is required and you can't question it. The Duchess is super gay and really digs those cisgender chicks. Don't kink-shame her by questioning the torture porn. The Duchess is teamed up with a black dude who really hates cops -- of course they are all pigcops now, so that's convenient.


Malicious Compliance 3D.

View PostLazy Dog, on 29 June 2020 - 01:37 PM, said:

uh, no. that came later. He was pissed that after fighting a alien race, he came home to find another one invading. he was in a "for f*ck sake not this shit again" type mood.
as LeoD said, you can't even save the babes ingame.


What came later? I'm not talking about the sidescrollers. Let's say a primary motivation (if not the only one) is saving babes. He's not that selfless that he just cares about saving the world or Amurrica.

This post has been edited by thricecursed: 29 June 2020 - 01:48 PM

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User is offline   Lazy Dog 

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View Postthricecursed, on 29 June 2020 - 01:40 PM, said:

What came later?


i was talking about ep1. the whole "aliens are stealing the chicks" is revealed at the end of ep1, before that Duke was pissed off that he had to basically fight 2 alien invasions off in a row. yes i know there's a few cocooned babes in ep1 but wtf is going on is not explained until ep1 ending.

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Let's say a primary motivation (if not the only one) is saving babes. He's not that selfless that he just cares about saving the world or Amurrica.


that i can agree on. ;)

This post has been edited by Lazy Dog: 29 June 2020 - 01:58 PM

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User is offline   R A D A Я 

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View PostLazy Dog, on 29 June 2020 - 01:02 PM, said:

Duke 3D outright punishes you for killing women


Even if Duke3D gave you a million dollars for killing women, who cares. It's just a game.


I'm playing Ascension now!

This post has been edited by R A D A Я: 29 June 2020 - 04:06 PM

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Now its been a while since I played DN3D, but where was the torture porn? I don't remember any torture. Is the torture porn the end of episode cutscenes? Is the torture porn being forced to look at strippers? I get why people can complain about ol SW3D, even if that's bull. Although whether or not its okay now, its certainly clear that they don't remember the '90s very well. Or I guess people didn't watch movies or TV back then either?

As to the Ascension guy, whelp. I dunno if he's got an issue or not or just falls into the habit of writing the same stuff over and over again. Supposedly he only writes his torture about women, but people tend to forget things when they're doing witchhunts. Is there a place where all his stuff is collected or something? Because I only found a few of his works. Ascension and Inquisitor 3D.
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User is offline   HulkNukem 

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View PostMorpheus Kitami, on 29 June 2020 - 05:14 PM, said:

Now its been a while since I played DN3D, but where was the torture porn? I don't remember any torture. Is the torture porn the end of episode cutscenes? Is the torture porn being forced to look at strippers? I get why people can complain about ol SW3D, even if that's bull. Although whether or not its okay now, its certainly clear that they don't remember the '90s very well. Or I guess people didn't watch movies or TV back then either?


I think its all in reference to the gagged and bound women.
Also theres the intro cut scene to the fourth episode.

The most literal torture porn would be that scene in XXX Stacy, but thats obviously not whats being referred to.

This post has been edited by HulkNukem: 29 June 2020 - 06:33 PM

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User is offline   Phredreeke 

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More like slimed and impregnated
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User is offline   TerminX 

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View PostPhredreeke, on 29 June 2020 - 06:23 PM, said:

More like slimed and impregnated

Sorry homie, but since I don't personally like icky stories like that, I'm going to call it rape porn, disallow any links to it, ban you, lock the thread, and issue random warnings to anyone who disagrees or even asks about it. Better luck with my arbitrary rules next time!
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User is offline   jimmy is a stupid fuck 

  • I'll fuckin edit this too bitch

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I mean we've basically reached that point with the other mods lol
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