[Aristotle Gumball]

Phredreeke, on 01 July 2020 - 12:39 PM, said:

Which one of us do you think had the greater impact on Watchtower's view of trans people. You calling him a bumpkin or me telling him about the trans woman who fucking defended Voidpoint?

I was only replying to Dan. He mentioned my comment, not yours.

I'm not a mind reader. Who knows if he thinks anything. If I had to guess, yours might have more impact? Do you want a medal?

[Phredreeke]

Not really, just want you to consider what you could have done differently

[Aristotle Gumball]

Alright man! Calling it a night.

Till next time fellas.

[UltravoxSapphire]

thricecursed, on 01 July 2020 - 10:39 AM, said:

For aeons men have oppressed women through rape (women who choose to have sex with men are clearly brainwashed - in actuality all heterosexual coupling is rape) and by implanting their "parasites" into our wombs, but no more. I will get back at the patriarchy one dead fetus at a time.

Y'know, i was going to say "This is probably the dumbest fucking thing i have ever read in my entire life."

But then i realized you're pisstaking.

[NNC]

thricecursed, on 01 July 2020 - 12:51 PM, said:

I was only replying to Dan. He mentioned my comment, not yours.

I'm not a mind reader. Who knows if he thinks anything. If I had to guess, yours might have more impact? Do you want a medal?

Action failed: You have reached your quota of negative votes for the day

[Jimmy]

thricecursed, on 30 June 2020 - 11:14 PM, said:

Blair White?

That's transphobic. Also Blaire is pretty hot for a tradthot.

thricecursed, on 30 June 2020 - 11:14 PM, said:

BTW, I was never comparing the Build and Doom communities (but Blood and Duke), so I don't know what you're on about. Marxists always lie, but right wingers can't read? There are way more map packs and mods coming out for Blood recently than there are for Duke. For the size this community has, there's not much happening, and my point is that people who might be productive, see what this place actually is, and leave. I know this because I've talked to them.

Use critical thinking you dumb fuck. I literally talked about the entire Build community in that post.

Imagine thinking that there are more bigots on Duke4 than there are on the Postmortem. The Blood community is peak right wing cringe. But you're just a Marxist interloper who doesn't have any context.

thricecursed, on 30 June 2020 - 11:14 PM, said:

Anyone remember these?

While I like James and have no problem with him, the reality, the context of those screenshots is that he was butthurt that people were acknowledging Zaxtor was a piece of shit who stalked and harassed people for bizarre reasons while he was grieving the death of his friend. It's fair for him to feel that way.

thricecursed, on 30 June 2020 - 11:14 PM, said:

So good luck wrangling retards like Alien1997. He thinks you guys are super cool!

We used to self police here, I've flamed retards like him, defiatron, or you out countless times. But now I'm not supposed to do that because this forum is 'nice'.

thricecursed, on 01 July 2020 - 01:25 AM, said:

Want to know what I'd change? Probably not, but here it is anyway: keep it strictly to gaming. Keep the political discussions out of here. Ban anyone who is belligerent and keeps bringing up culture war topics. There is no need to have a bias in how the site gets moderated beyond that.

Blame the left. Prior to GamerGate there was almost no political talk on this forum. The suppression of GamerGate concentrated such discussion here because it would even get you banned on 4chan.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

AlieN1997, on 01 July 2020 - 07:38 AM, said:

I am a undiagnosed autistic person with ADHD

You should try and get diagnosed, you may not be autistic but you seem to have some screws loose, I definitely have alot more so I'm not going to judge you.

But sincerely, you got me worried, maybe take some CBD or something and just relax.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

I did that political compass test and got middle middle pretty much in the social/libertarian square.

[UltravoxSapphire]

jimmy is a stupid fuck, on 01 July 2020 - 03:58 PM, said:

We used to self police here, I've flamed retards like him, defiatron, or you out countless times. But now I'm not supposed to do that because this forum is 'nice'.

Thank you, Jimmy. Very cool!

[TerminX]

Dude, AlieN, can you fucking knock that shit off?

[PokeThePower]

Someone found security footage of thrice confronting Duke4.net.

[Jimmy]

The retard is right, that guy is a pussy. You fucking tackle me like that in public? I'll gouge your fucking eyes out, homie.

[Aristotle Gumball]

jimmy is a stupid fuck, on 01 July 2020 - 03:58 PM, said:

Use critical thinking you dumb fuck. I literally talked about the entire Build community in that post.

Imagine thinking that there are more bigots on Duke4 than there are on the Postmortem. The Blood community is peak right wing cringe. But you're just a Marxist interloper who doesn't have any context.

We used to self police here, I've flamed retards like him, defiatron, or you out countless times. But now I'm not supposed to do that because this forum is 'nice'.

Blame the left. Prior to GamerGate there was almost no political talk on this forum. The suppression of GamerGate concentrated such discussion here because it would even get you banned on 4chan.

1) I know, and I'm saying you're wrong to combine Duke4 and Blood's communities. I'm not interested in your amateur analysis of why Build as a whole is less popular to develop for than id tech 1. That's besides the point.

2) Nope, I've been on Postmortem since 2004 on and off under a different username. Either way, they normally stuck to video game discussion.

3) To me you're on the same level as Alien1997. Someone who talks a big game, but is rather non-threatening IRL (I've seen your pictures mate, it's funny what people share in private) and has built up a grossly distorted image of themselves online, to compensate for their lack of physical prowess. Where do you get your balls from, dude? What have you done, "dumb fuck"?

4) Gamergate was overblown.

Anyway, I don't give a shit what any of you think, as long as it doesn't negatively impact the Duke and Build community as a whole, which it is doing. I might've realized this isn't a representative population, but it's a shame the largest Build/Eduke resource is marred by content like this.

[PokeThePower]

jimmy is a stupid fuck, on 01 July 2020 - 09:09 PM, said:

The retard is right, that guy is a pussy. You fucking tackle me like that in public? I'll gouge your fucking eyes out, homie.

What I liked is the video is like those pictures that flip between two different perspectives (spinning girl, box down vs box up)... I deliberately didn't say which one was thrice and which one was duke4.net because it works both directions.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Charlie! You won't fucking believe what the Jews did this time!

Spoiler

[PokeThePower]

The downside to convincing a kid from the moment he can understand words that his gender, his ethnicity, his heritage, and his country of birth... are all factors in him being a part of literally all the worst people to ever grace this earth.... is eventually the kid fully believing it... will want to know *why* his ancestors were so terrible.

And then he finds out the story he was told is much too simplistic compared to the truth, is really just the mundane problem of the victors write the history, and a light bulb goes off. Maybe... his ancestors were only as bad as everyone else was. Which to suggest as much is tantamount to embracing the vilest evil phantasms public education can summon into the hearts and minds of children.

[Aristotle Gumball]

I don't think Germans are bad because of what the Nazis did (and I'm sorry if someone convinced you of that when you were young). I don't think Hitler was an uniquely evil force unprecedented in history, nor do I think that taking him out would've solved everything.

Do I believe it was exactly 6 million? Doesn't matter. I trust my (dead) relatives.

I know the idea of gas chambers is problematic because the building was torn down rather quickly, and subsequently rebuilt as a museum, with added scratch marks on its walls (which to me is incredibly grizzly and disrespectful).

But I also know that there was a concentrated anti-Jewish effort backed up by numerous photo and video evidence, eyewitness accounts, and death toll. And the people who died in those camps were not only Jews.

I don't know how much of this you contest and frankly I don't want to know.

What got to me was the ease by which you dismissed real, human suffering as somehow being false and exaggerated, while using some Bitchute videos as evidence for your beliefs.

This was in response to my links by well known anti-Zionist activists, but because of their ethnicity, no one cared to click those. Yes, I mistakenly took that as your collective support of Israel. In fact it was just regular ol' antisemitism filtered through mental gymnastics.

Like I guess you can't listen to any Jewish person unless they admit that white people/Germans aren't pieces of shit and that the holocaust didn't happen? It's just a god-awful way that you started that whole conversation, not realizing you could actually be talking to someone with that specific ancestry (my father's side of the family). Or you just don't care.

I was legitimately making a Build engine game as all this was going on and coming here to figure out some technical stuff, but once I saw the prevailing attitudes (oh, and it definitely bleeds over into the gaming threads occasionally), it turned me radically against you.

Now I see you're just reacting to past traumas/slights/disappointments, which was never in doubt anyway. We all have emotional boo-boo's and seek safety in likeminded individuals, but the risk with forming these echo chambers is the perpetuation of the same historical processes that led to WW 2 in the first place. Sure, largely these processes are perpetuated by those with an interest in gaining/staying in power, but in the end, "we the people" still hold the reins, if we choose to see it.

Creating arbitrary divisions based on trauma-triggers doesn't benefit anyone except the elites.

Then again, maybe we have gotten so fucked up that no further dialog is possible. I'm leaning towards that idea more and more every day.

TLDR: fart noises

[PokeThePower]

I summarily reject your characterization of me, my opinions, or how I came to them. It falls entirely into "Not Event Wrong" territory.

However we have/had an outhouse for a reason. The furthest I will take a conversation along these lines here is what I said above... a kid wanted to learn more about what he had been taught... and he did. Anything further you project into that is yours to own and I may or may not have the energy to try to get into it some other place/time. However your understanding of my perspective, and characterization of the minor amount we have discussed, are only valid or accurate up to the point they exit your skull.

[Aristotle Gumball]

A convenient response given that the thread where our brief discussion took place has been deleted. Fair enough, though. My expectations were low anyway.

Anyone who isn't an anti-Semite and wants to see some cool screencaps can send me a private message!

[PokeThePower]

thricecursed, on 02 July 2020 - 09:55 AM, said:

A convenient response given that the thread where our brief discussion took place has been deleted.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Okay, so it's not even an Outhouse thread: https://forums.duke4...y%26-128293%3B/

Dear reader - if you aren't bothered by anything therein, I guess I have nothing else to add.

To the mob:
See you in a few weeks when/if I decide to interrupt the regularly scheduled programming yet again.

PS: screencaps show some of the juicier parts. Not all are from the same thread either. It can be difficult to locate the most egregious examples of what passes as a normal conversation here.

[PokeThePower]

Damn, I made some good points in that thread.

My corona-chan posts get a little cringy though, but the gist held up and still glad I made the call on the retirement allocation adjustment.

[TerminX]

I'm bothered by some of the opinions expressed in that thread, yes, but not bothered that people are given the ability to express them.

[Hank]

thricecursed, on 02 July 2020 - 10:14 AM, said:

>> cut
To the mob:
>> cut

To the superior intellect – duke4 was and is a harsh place. It’s the price to pay to allow for reasonable freedom of expression. Almost nothing is taboo here.

For those wishing to debate under a controlled, politically correct and quasi intelligent environment, well, just do a DuckDuckGo …

[PokeThePower]

TerminX, on 02 July 2020 - 11:03 AM, said:

I'm bothered by some of the opinions expressed in that thread, yes, but not bothered that people are given the ability to express them.

Hank, on 02 July 2020 - 11:11 AM, said:

To the superior intellect – duke4 was and is a harsh place. It’s the price to pay to allow for reasonable freedom of expression.

When my voting comes back that's the first place they are going. Spent them all on thrice.

[Aristotle Gumball]

TerminX, on 02 July 2020 - 11:03 AM, said:

I'm bothered by some of the opinions expressed in that thread, yes, but not bothered that people are given the ability to express them.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."

Read that thread and try to find a rational argument by those whose views you find objectionable. Or anywhere where I showed up, past a point. Being able to assemble a grammatically correct sentence into paragraphs is not an example of reason. There is a consistent disregard for dissenting views and it's got nothing to do with some general "harshness". This is a giant circle jerk that pushes out anyone who doesn't drink the Kool-Aid. "Communist interloper", "marxist","femnazi", etc. I'm literally none of these things. I've read Marx, but don't subscribe to his theories. I like and respect women, but I'm not a feminist. I definitely enjoy private property.

Just understand my goal isn't to forcibly change anyone's minds, but to provoke thought.

I'm going on vacation tomorrow so I won't be back to read anything for a while.

[Phredreeke]

“He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”, Friedrich Nietzsche

[Danukem]

thricecursed, on 02 July 2020 - 01:00 PM, said:

they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive[/url][/b], and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.

No one around here is arguing that we have to tolerate threats, or violent attacks with fists, pistols, etc. No one has questioned the right of people to defend themselves with force or for the state to defend the rights of its citizens with force against physical acts of aggression.

Also, no one has advocated for "unlimited tolerance" -- threats and doxing, for example, will definitely get you banned. I would also like to see intolerance for personal insults around here, but it seems I am alone on that one (you do it too so I'm not even sure where you stand on that) so I've pretty given up on trying to enforce that for now.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Trooper Dan, on 02 July 2020 - 01:32 PM, said:

No one around here is arguing that we have to tolerate threats, or violent attacks with fists, pistols, etc. No one has questioned the right of people to defend themselves with force or for the state to defend the rights of its citizens with force against physical acts of aggression.

Also, no one has advocated for "unlimited tolerance" -- threats and doxing, for example, will definitely get you banned. I would also like to see intolerance for personal insults around here, but it seems I am alone on that one (you do it too so I'm not even sure where you stand on that) so I've pretty given up on trying to enforce that for now.

Well, this isn't a country and the stakes aren't that high, but the same effect still applies. When you let people with hostile attitudes have free reign, all the moderates get pushed out and you're left with what you're left with.

I am totally against insults. I was quite surprised when Jimmy called somebody a faggot in a gaming thread. It just makes the place seem like the wall of a public toilet. Why I engaged in that? Well, when apes are throwing feces, you either duck or throw one back yourself. I suppose there's a certain thrill in it, but I'd give it up in a second if rules were applied equally across the board. Seriously. It's not fucking censorship, just common sense.

[Jimmy]

thricecursed, on 02 July 2020 - 12:20 AM, said:

1) I know, and I'm saying you're wrong to combine Duke4 and Blood's communities. I'm not interested in your amateur analysis of why Build as a whole is less popular to develop for than id tech 1. That's besides the point.

It's entirely the point though, because I have seen these communities grow for almost 2 decades. Who the fuck are you, by the way? Furthermore, I never combined anything. Active Blood developers choose to post on this forum.

thricecursed, on 02 July 2020 - 12:20 AM, said:

2) Nope, I've been on Postmortem since 2004 on and off under a different username. Either way, they normally stuck to video game discussion.

[CITATION NEEDED]

thricecursed, on 02 July 2020 - 12:20 AM, said:

3) To me you're on the same level as Alien1997. Someone who talks a big game, but is rather non-threatening IRL (I've seen your pictures mate, it's funny what people share in private) and has built up a grossly distorted image of themselves online, to compensate for their lack of physical prowess. Where do you get your balls from, dude? What have you done, "dumb fuck"?

STALKER DETECTED
Why bother sharing my photos in private when I've openly shared them on this very forum? I'm quite a public individual, in no way do I attempt to hide my identity or anything about my personal life. Why? I have absolutely nothing to hide, and in fact you'll find most of the "mob" here doesn't either. I don't say anything in the Outhouse I wouldn't say anywhere else, it's usually moved there by someone else. I'd love to meet you in real life, buddy. Southside Richmond, come look me up.

thricecursed, on 02 July 2020 - 12:20 AM, said:

4) Gamergate was overblown.

Doesn't matter. This was one of the few places you could openly discuss it. That is an absolute fact and that is when the political talk really started.

thricecursed, on 02 July 2020 - 12:20 AM, said:

Anyway, I don't give a shit what any of you think, as long as it doesn't negatively impact the Duke and Build community as a whole, which it is doing. I might've realized this isn't a representative population, but it's a shame the largest Build/Eduke resource is marred by content like this.

You're posting cringe.

RunRonRun, on 02 July 2020 - 07:50 AM, said:

And then he finds out the story he was told is much too simplistic compared to the truth, is really just the mundane problem of the victors write the history, and a light bulb goes off. Maybe... his ancestors were only as bad as everyone else was. Which to suggest as much is tantamount to embracing the vilest evil phantasms public education can summon into the hearts and minds of children.

We wuz innocent victims who dindu nuffin

thricecursed, on 02 July 2020 - 09:05 AM, said:

Do I believe it was exactly 6 million? Doesn't matter. I trust my (dead) relatives.

Sounds like it does matter to you.

thricecursed, on 02 July 2020 - 12:20 AM, said:

What got to me was the ease by which you dismissed real, human suffering as somehow being false and exaggerated, while using some Bitchute videos as evidence for your beliefs.

Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every American's God-given right.

thricecursed, on 02 July 2020 - 12:20 AM, said:

I was legitimately making a Build engine game as all this was going on and coming here to figure out some technical stuff...

[CITATION NEEDED]