[Lunick]

Cataractnacon / Zeangala

[deuxsonic]

Lunick, on 20 March 2016 - 05:13 PM, said:

Cataractnacon / Zeangala

Very nice. I watched this recently and found it interesting. It's also kind of an abstract design, where the map starts doing some interesting things like leaning and going in a circle and using columns of water to get between places.

[Daedolon]

All of this remind me that I still need to make a Quake level in the near future.

[PikaCommando]

Hey guys, is it Operation Overlord or Descent into Cerberon that is the CD track for the first level (base1)? Some source ports use the former while others like YamagiQ2 uses the latter.

[MusicallyInspired]

Whichever one is not the first music track is for the first level.

[FistMarine]

edit

[deuxsonic]

Operation Overlord is the first audio track (track 2) on the Quake II CD but it isn't the first music track used in single player. Descent Into Cerberon (track 9) is, so any port that does otherwise has the order mixed up.

[----]

Well, this post is semi-OT for the Quake corner.

I once remade a Quake (or Q2 or Q3A) map for UT2004. The funny thing is, that I have absolutely no idea which map it is, because I never played Quake much and I remade it from another remake for UT from 1999 (Author got credits, of course).

Maybe someone recognizes it and can tell me which map it is (from the layout. the map only uses assets UT2004 and some I made myself).





The map has 2 secret areas. One which was inspired by a little mod from DN3D that was on one of the various Duke-Level-CDS back in the day. It boosts your health when the strippers showed their boobies,

If anybody is interested. It can be downloaded here:
http://fuegerstef.co...-sacrifice2.zip

[leilei]

It's Majesty.

[----]

leilei, on 22 March 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

It's Majesty.

Thanks a lot.

[Bloodshot]

I'm back to making that thing

[Lunick]

[deuxsonic]

That was quite a struggle.

[MrFlibble]

Not sure if this could be useful/interesting to anyone, but a while ago I discovered that the source code of Eternal War: Shadows of Light can be downloaded from the Wayback Machine copy of the developer's website:

• Engine source code v2.02: ew-v2.02-src.zip
  
• Game source code: xsniper-ew-progs-src1.zip

The game is based on the Telejano fork of the Quake engine.

There's also this file which I think is intended to be used with a map editor for Quake to create custom levels for Eternal War.

[deuxsonic]

Does anyone remember the Quake2Max port of Quake 2? What ever happened to that? I thought that was rather slick back in the day.

[t800]

deuxsonic, on 07 April 2016 - 12:34 PM, said:

Does anyone remember the Quake2Max port of Quake 2? What ever happened to that? I thought that was rather slick back in the day.

Hm, it seems to be abandoned now, as its last update is from 2007. But if you are looking for most graphically advanced port, than I dont think there is any competion to KMQuake2. Only disadvantage is you have to download all hi-res packs separately for it.

BTW do you know any Quake I mods that add gibbable corpses and damage skins for monsters (as in Quake II, when enemy health diminishes, it alters its skin)?

[Lunick]

https://www.quaddict...ews/wieder.html



I didn't realise Wieder did some Quake maps too, I guess I'm just slow.

[Lunick]

Former level designer from Splashdamage/Raven Software/Crytek Simon O'Callaghan working on a Quake map https://twitter.com/...118401175883776

[HulkNukem]

That last shot is really great. I have a thing for locations set in a sort of under area with a giant city above, especially when the lower area is kinda just hanging at the bottom
The Total Recall reboot had a couple really great visual similar to this
The game Merchants of Brooklyn (renamed Drug Wars for some reason) had some great city visuals
There's an entire hub section in Kingpin set in an underground city

[Lunick]

Oh, he made a video a few minutes ago haha

[Daedolon]

Bet you it won't run in vanilla.

[Lunick]

It runs with the mod Arcane Dimensions (which he also helped create) which can run with WinQuake unless that is not vanilla enough for you

[Daedolon]

I forgot what the polygon limit was for a Quake map, but that's clearly exceeding it.

[MetHy]

Lunick, on 14 April 2016 - 03:18 AM, said:

https://www.quaddict...ews/wieder.html

https://www.quaddict...ieder_thumb.jpg

I didn't realise Wieder did some Quake maps too, I guess I'm just slow.

I tried that but.... first map I got stuck at one point, you have to cross a path with a huge pit and lava underneath but there is no bridge? Even rocket jumping wouldn't get me half as far... Couldn't find a switch or anything either.

2nd map you have to find a secret.... that gives you invulnerability, so you can dive inside lava to grab a key during the time you can't get hit.... I found that a little bullshit, but the problem is I couldn't find the door that matched the key?

In both maps supplies placement consists of giving tons of stuff at the player at the start of the map.

The maps could be cool but they're unfinished, and they're not "professional" level design like what he did with Sunstorm.

HulkNukem, on 15 April 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

That last shot is really great. I have a thing for locations set in a sort of under area with a giant city above, especially when the lower area is kinda just hanging at the bottom
The Total Recall reboot had a couple really great visual similar to this
The game Merchants of Brooklyn (renamed Drug Wars for some reason) had some great city visuals
There's an entire hub section in Kingpin set in an underground city

... and in Shadow Warrior Sumo Sky Palace? Though it's not a city I'll give you that.

[LkMax]

HulkNukem, on 15 April 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

That last shot is really great. I have a thing for locations set in a sort of under area with a giant city above, especially when the lower area is kinda just hanging at the bottom

You might like this: http://vignette2.wik...&path-prefix=en
Hengsha from Deus Ex "2" (actually Human revolution ;D )

[PokeThePower]

Lunick, on 14 April 2016 - 03:18 AM, said:

I didn't realise Wieder did some Quake maps too, I guess I'm just slow.

MetHy, on 16 April 2016 - 02:23 AM, said:

The maps could be cool but they're unfinished, and they're not "professional" level design like what he did with Sunstorm.

http://www.celephais...9776&end=25
https://www.quaddict.../rev990224.html

Those two maps were my application/test maps I built trying to get hired at Ritual. They were worked on in the evening after working on Wanton Destruction all day at Sunstorm. For timebomb Ritual wanted me to build a "realish setting" with an attempt to inject some sort of plot/story into the mission. Since they were working on Sin at the time, the request was understandable. There were plenty of quake level designers but they needed someone with a Duke Nukem mentality. They saw enough potential they requested another one and asked that I show I could do an entirely different visual style and wanted me to cram as much scripting/puzzles in as possible (thus what became salv.bsp).

So the way it's setup is more of a demo sequence of events trying to be creative with pushing the quake scripting options rather than something intended for a "customer". I was asked to play it in front of them and talk through how things were setup to verify I actually knew it versus just copying someone else.

I lost one of the maps I built when applying to 3DR but a couple of them survived the years. I wasn't good at all when applying to 3DR and it wasn't until Salv that I really started to feel comfortable working in a Quake editor versus build engine editing.

http://gamingisstupi...al-works/quake/
ZIP file... http://gamingisstupi...pplications.zip

Aside from a single CTF map for Quake 2... all of my quake levels were built as job applications.

MetHy, on 16 April 2016 - 02:23 AM, said:

I tried that but.... first map I got stuck at one point, you have to cross a path with a huge pit and lava underneath but there is no bridge? Even rocket jumping wouldn't get me half as far... Couldn't find a switch or anything either.

After the missile is launched you're supposed to "get out of the facility asap" because the missile has been set to turn around blow up the base. The bridge is scripted to blow up while you are running across it. If you stick around to watch the launch you won't make it out in time. I think even if you do leave right away it's still pretty clunky and unpolished and able to break. Especially if you play in God mode.

The .txt file for some quality 1990's backstory... *blush*

Spoiler

"OK, here is the situation. Our hackers have managed to finally log into
their system undetected and modify the main missile targeting systems. They
have reset the coordinates to send the missile right back at their base.
However, there is only one manual switch to actually launch the missile.
They made this only accessible from a small unmarked room with one solitary
guard stationed near it. In order to even get near it, you will have to locate
the foreman's silver keycard to enter that sector of the base.

On that note, our sources say that the foreman is in a reeeaaaalllly bad mood
today. So bad in fact, that none of the others inside the base will remain in
the same room as him. He could potentially cause a lot of trouble for you,
unless you know where to look.

You will enter through a secret entrance we have been quietly building for
the past year. Drop down through the fan shaft, and inside the first building
you will find all the supplies you need."

"Huh?"

"You heard what I said, you will find all the supplies you need right there
at the start. What did you think, that they were just going to leave weapons
and ammunition around for you to use? Once inside the base, you are on your
own, unless you can remove some ammo from the guards you kill. For some
reason, they are complying with the recent government regulation where they
must leave health kits lying around throughout any building. Rather odd,
considering they are rebelling from that very same government. Our suggestion,
save the laser cannon for the foreman. Remember, use your ammo wisely...
there won't be more around the next corner... this isn't a video game.

Once you launch the missile, the emergency exit will be available... get
there as soon as possible. If you die, the mission is still a success, but I
don't think you will enjoy it much.

There are two basic guards you will encounter throughout the base. Along with
those, one guy has his dog with him... shouldn't be a problem. There are also
the workers, these burly guys are pretty damn nasty. Evidently their labor
union isn't getting them the pay raises they want. There are two other types
of creatures in there, but our sources haven't really determined what their
purpose is, except to get in your way. And again, don't forget about the
foreman. When even his own kind won't go near him, you know you're in for a
fight. Just look around and I'm sure you'll find a way to get past him
unharmed."

"Huh?"

"Shut up and get going..."

MetHy, on 16 April 2016 - 02:23 AM, said:

2nd map you have to find a secret.... that gives you invulnerability, so you can dive inside lava to grab a key during the time you can't get hit.... I found that a little bullshit, but the problem is I couldn't find the door that matched the key?

That's one of my favorite puzzles! It's also on the same end of punishing the player spectrum as getting the keycards in airplane in Wanton Destruction.

You have to go back up through the lava again, and then there is a second blood pit in the starting area you can drop into using the key to open it up.

More text file background...

Spoiler

This is the "story" that I wrote on the airplane on my way to Dallas. I had
the entire story in my mind as I was building the map, but putting ideas to
actual words is tougher than it seemed at first. Anyways, it gives you
pretty good clues as to *why* you are there, and *what* you need to do when
in there.

The story is based around a prophecy, describing the actions that you take.
You have traveled back in time, and must retrieve the hammer, because it will
do something good.
(What it actually does you can imagine for yourself... haha)

When the map starts, you have been captured by the people of that time, and
the king is walking back to his throne from watching you be tossed into a pit.

"A man shall come among us. Leaping through mouths of fire and light, his
destruction of our very security will begin with a rise from his own blood.
Striking a blow to the our very heart, diving where none should be, and riding
chariots of courage... he will descend into the bowels of flesh only to rise
once more. He will evade death with the speed of lightning. The hands of
the gods will guide him across a path of stars, and through the attacks of
hell itself. Both guardians will lie in their own blood, and wielding the
hammer that sustains our life force, he shall wink out of existence through
a sky in the walls."

More text file background...

Spoiler

===================
Charlie Wiederhold
wieder@eartlink.net
===================

Instructions to run this stuff is at the end of this file. I assume that by
now most people out there know how to run maps and demos.

Both maps require you have have Scourge of Armagon (Mission Pack 1). Also,
both have been compiled to be fully compatible with GLQuake and the water
transparency and stuff. You will need to use the -winmem 12 (or more) flag
if you try to play timebomb.bsp in regular Quake under Windows.

I'm sure there may be something I'm forgetting, but your smart and I'm sure
you can figure it out... if not, email me and I'll see what I can do.

TIMEBOMB.BSP is my 3rd Quake map, and SALV.BSP is my 4th. No, I won't ever
let the other two leave my hard drive. I hate them and think they are ugly.

These are the two maps that I submitted to Ritual which got me hired.
They were both made under pretty tight time constraints, as I still was
working more than full time at Sunstorm while making these maps. They are
very unpolished... but I simply don't have the time to go in and work on them
to bring them up to the level I would consider done. However, a lot of people
have bugged me to see some work since I have never released a Quake map, so
I finally decided to go ahead and release these. I don't think I put in
multiplayer capability, but they wouldn't be that great in DM anyways, since
Ritual specifically said to focus only on single play value for these maps.

Again, I don't consider these to be even close to "finished" work, and there
is a lot of stuff I would like to clean up in them, but simply don't have the
time. But I think they give a decent idea of what I can do and my style. Don't
expect these to be much at all like the "standard Quake" style.

Both maps require that you have Mission Pack 1 (Scourge of Armagon) installed.
You can play SALV.BSP without it... you just won't see the Hammer at the
end. TIMEBOMB.BSP is pretty much screwed without it though.

TIMEBOMB.BSP - I made this map in response to the Ritual webpage requesting
applicants. It was made over the period of a month, but I still had my more
than full time job to eat up most of my time, so actual man hours are very
few. Please read the TIMEBOMB.TXT as it provides the story, and the "why" of
why you are there in the first place, and why you should care about being in
there. The point of this map was to create a believable mission, with a
convincing environment to act out the mission in.
It is about 2100+ brushes, and took way too much time to fully compile on a
p166 with 48 megs of ram.

SALV.BSP - "Salvation" - I made this map because Ritual asked me to make a
map to show them the same weekend they flew me down to meet with them. It is
about a week of work, while of course still working at Sunstorm. They wanted
to see something totally different from the style I showed in TIMEBOMB.BSP,
and I think you'll agree that it is quite different. The focus in this map
was to make a challenging map because of traps and environmental dangers.
Please read the SALV.TXT as it provides info you will need to play the map
properly.
This is about 1000+ brushes, and for some reason fully compiles in mere
minutes on a p166 with 48 megs of ram.

=============================================================================
To run these:
Simply put both BSP files in your QUAKE\ID1\MAPS directory
Put the DEM file in your QUAKE\ID1 directory

Because I'm too lazy to go back in and recompile SALV.BSP, it is going
to crash Quake when you exit the map. I made it point to SALVATION.BSP,
but when I renamed it to SALV.BSP to record the demo, I forgot to update the
map. If you *really* need it to exit properly, simply rename SALV.BSP to
SALVATION.BSP. But then the demo won't work.

To play either map, run quake like this:
quake -game hipnotic

Add the -winmem parameter if you need it.

To play TIMEBOMB.BSP or SALV.BSP simply bring up the console and type:
map timebomb
or
map salv

Because the people who have actually played SALV.BSP usually say it is
impossible to beat, I recorded a demo to prove it is in fact beatable. I
recorded the demo playing all the way through getting all the kills, the
ONE (wh00!) secret, and uhhhh... not dying. To play it bring up the
console and type:

playdemo salv

[leilei]

I really don't want to toot my own horn but how many of you tried Engoo? It's a software engine that tries to bring in some build game influence among other things

I've abandoned it though since msvc6 debugging is hell on W7x64 and i'm too lazy to get it going on gcc. which could've been fun to see what -flto and pgo would do with my crazy code. I also used to have it running in DOS before.

Also I tried to support the community-proposed QSB standards only to find out they're obsoleted now by......whatever new standard they had for RMQ (a cancelled cringey "quake 1 remake") and now Quakespasm to support big maps. Cue this xkcd. It'll run Marcher Fortress but it definitely won't run the beautiful output Sock is doing these days unfortunately.

I also tried to doll up support for ye old Transfusion 1.01 to make it more Blood-ish. I nearly had the shrooms effect working


and then more important priorities(like doing art for a game that actually has an audience) took over.

[Mr. Tibbs]

RetroAhoy's back with an excellent hour-long look at Quake.

[Lunick]

Watching this reminded me that I completely forgot Quake doesn't have an automap, hah.

[deuxsonic]

Duke3d had a couple, but how often did you need to use it?