[NNC]

Well, saving has always been a glorified cheating. Especially the rewind saving system seen in WT. After all it's not much better than using god mode for the entire level.

[oasiz]

MusicallyInspired, on 24 October 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:

Like, permanently? Or just for that game/round? I'm guessing the latter.

Permanently permanent, but goes even further: next time you play duke3d it actually has eduke32 integration where it removes all skills but "piece of cake" and during intermission screens Duke won't even speak to you anymore due to sheer disappointment.

[Micky C]

So I tried out the new QooH on steam, and it plays much, much better. Gets pretty intense too! Not 100% perfect yet... I went down to 1 fps for a few seconds in stage 9 where I lost a big chunk of health, and died shortly after. Up until that point the framerate was relatively consistent and good.

[DavoX]

Micky C, on 25 October 2018 - 03:33 AM, said:

So I tried out the new QooH on steam, and it plays much, much better. Gets pretty intense too! Not 100% perfect yet... I went down to 1 fps for a few seconds in stage 9 where I lost a big chunk of health, and died shortly after. Up until that point the framerate was relatively consistent and good.

Did you enter the update 3 beta?

[Hendricks266]

Before the rumor trains get started, I want to say that PC Gamer's article "The team behind Ion Maiden is working on a new Quake engine game" is misinformation. Voidpoint has nothing to do with this Quake engine game. Perhaps the confusion arose because 3D Realms yet again failed to mention Voidpoint in its press materials.

[Mr. Tibbs]

Hendricks266, on 25 October 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

Before the rumor trains get started, I want to say that PC Gamer's article "The team behind Ion Maiden is working on a new Quake engine game" is misinformation. Voidpoint has nothing to do with this Quake engine game. Perhaps the confusion arose because 3D Realms yet again failed to mention Voidpoint in its press materials.

Yep, I hope that was just a dumb mistake, and not 3D Realms deliberately trying to downplay Voidpoint's contribution. Fred clarified in the comments that 3D Realms is developing the Quake engine game in-house:

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Might also be the fact that Ion Maiden is developed by Voidpoint. The new game is being developed internally here at 3D Realms. Two different teams.

I have fears that since Ion Maiden's the only great thing 3D Realms has been involved with since 2006, they might try to rewrite history. They should be proud that they backed a great game, but never fail to credit the team who is putting in the graft and making it a reality.

[NightFright]

But is it the Quake 1 engine now or a newer one? And if it's Q1, would they utilize one of the countless ports out there? Guess it's still too early to tell, but it'd be interesting to know.

Without derailing the thread too much ofc...

[Master O]

NightFright, on 25 October 2018 - 10:38 AM, said:

But is it the Quake 1 engine now or a newer one? And if it's Q1, would they utilize one of the countless ports out there? Guess it's still too early to tell, but it'd be interesting to know.

Without derailing the thread too much ofc...

That's right. You don't want this thread in shamblers...

[NNC]

As I see, a hospital map is coming. Long overdue in Duke, Ion Maiden will compensate us.

I hope for a Dallas (TV series) joke in that level, like Bobby Ewing's dream death. After all, these kind of games are originated from Dallas as well.

[Micky C]

DavoX, on 25 October 2018 - 08:38 AM, said:

Did you enter the update 3 beta?

I think I did, and it says Update 3 RC4 in the bottom corner, although I didn't enter any kind of password to get it...

[cybdmn]

Forge, on 23 October 2018 - 07:33 AM, said:

Early access was worth it. Just don't get it through the 3dr site. Their customer service and keeping the community updated & informed is non-existent.
I doubt we'll get the last patch though them, so queen of the hill mode is still unplayable.
Pretty much resolved myself to wait for the final release to play it. (two weeks after it's already been out on steam)

This! 3DR is still living in the(ir) past, instead of getting their shit together.

[OpenMaw]

It got buried a bit, so I just wanted to ask again. I have cash to spend, will there be another round of the physical release of Ion Maiden? I already technically own the game on Steam, but i'd still love to get the physical usbdisk and all the extras.

[Jblade]

Hendricks266, on 25 October 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

Before the rumor trains get started, I want to say that PC Gamer's article "The team behind Ion Maiden is working on a new Quake engine game" is misinformation. Voidpoint has nothing to do with this Quake engine game. Perhaps the confusion arose because 3D Realms yet again failed to mention Voidpoint in its press materials.

why are game journalists so fucking incompetent jesus christ, is it really that hard to even get the developer of the damn game correct?

[fgsfds]

Spend two minutes on fact chechking? Nah. All these articles about toxic gamers, woman objectification and penises in Assassin's Creed won't write themself.

[MusicallyInspired]

Hendricks266, on 25 October 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

Before the rumor trains get started, I want to say that PC Gamer's article "The team behind Ion Maiden is working on a new Quake engine game" is misinformation. Voidpoint has nothing to do with this Quake engine game. Perhaps the confusion arose because 3D Realms yet again failed to mention Voidpoint in its press materials.

Mr. Tibbs, on 25 October 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

Yep, I hope that was just a dumb mistake, and not 3D Realms deliberately trying to downplay Voidpoint's contribution. Fred clarified in the comments that 3D Realms is developing the Quake engine game in-house:I have fears that since Ion Maiden's the only great thing 3D Realms has been involved with since 2006, they might try to rewrite history. They should be proud that they backed a great game, but never fail to credit the team who is putting in the graft and making it a reality.

Jblade, on 26 October 2018 - 12:31 AM, said:

why are game journalists so fucking incompetent jesus christ, is it really that hard to even get the developer of the damn game correct?

Perhaps it was on purpose to push a name brand more people are familiar with (3D Realms) than someone they don't know? More chance of hype and sales?

[Micky C]

MusicallyInspired, on 26 October 2018 - 04:34 AM, said:

Perhaps it was on purpose to push a name brand more people are familiar with (3D Realms) than someone they don't know? More chance of hype and sales?

The game should speak for itself, not the publisher. Based on the reaction to the trailer and preview campaign, that has certainly been the case.

Besides, after DNF and Bombshell, do you really think 3DR has that much brand power, to the extent that it should be the centre of attention?

It wasn't even 3DR's idea to have a fully-fledged build engine FPS. I'm not sure who's idea it was initially, but Ion Maiden only became a full game after the potential in the quality was seen, not because 3DR had any keen insight into the market.

[Forge]

MusicallyInspired, on 26 October 2018 - 04:34 AM, said:

Perhaps it was on purpose to push a name brand more people are familiar with (3D Realms) than someone they don't know? More chance of hype and sales?

Perhaps it was on purpose because 3dr hasn't done anything notable in the last 20 years besides fail, so they're desperately clinging to anything successful to use as self-glorification jizz paint

[MusicallyInspired]

Micky C, on 26 October 2018 - 04:42 AM, said:

The game should speak for itself, not the publisher. Based on the reaction to the trailer and preview campaign, that has certainly been the case.

Besides, after DNF and Bombshell, do you really think 3DR has that much brand power, to the extent that it should be the centre of attention?

It wasn't even 3DR's idea to have a fully-fledged build engine FPS. I'm not sure who's idea it was initially, but Ion Maiden only became a full game after the potential in the quality was seen, not because 3DR had any keen insight into the market.

Of course, I agree with all of this. I'm just thinking from 3DR's perspective.

[Sanek]

Looks at this from the player's and the mass media's point of view.
3DRealms brand means nostalgia for a lot of people. When the company that made Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior is back with another game made in the same style you can't help yourself but get hyped for the product, no matter what kind of product it actually is.

There's no shortage of retro FPS's in today's market and as much as I respect all the hard work that went into Ion Maiden, I doubt that it'll have it's current success without 3DRealms being involved, both as a brand and a producer.

[Hendricks266]

3D Realms' PR firm has told us basically that in the past, and we fully understand how useful the 3D Realms name is to our marketing. However, there is more to the discussion than that.

Take a look at the press release: http://www.gamasutra...les_Q2_2019.php

Here are the counts for how often each name appears on the webpage.

3D Realms: 13
1C Entertainment: 15
Voidpoint: 0

When speaking to a live audience (think classrooms) on a complex/controversial/contentious topic, I introduce my material with the statement, "My first allegiance is to the truth."

If a publisher cannot be arsed to mention the developer of their game even once, it means accurately representing the truth is not their highest concern.

[ReaperAA]

Its a shame that Voidpoint wasn't mentioned once in that article. I really hope 3DR doesn't try to take steal the developer's credit for this because that would be a d*ck move.

[HulkNukem]

I've actually seen confusion because of them leaving out Voidpoint's name on other sites. Lots of "they should finish Ion Maiden before making a new game" and stuff like that. Luckily people usually point out its different teams, but there shouldn't be confusion in the first place.

At least if anything were to happen and Voidpoint makes a new game with a different publisher/self publishing they can promote that they created Ion Maiden.

[Mr. Tibbs]

Yeah, imagine how unseemly it would be if 3D Realms had hyped up Max Payne without mentioning Remedy. For a company that's been involved with in so many collaborations with amazing developers, it's not a cool thing to do, and seems to be at odds with their history.

[Master O]

Hendricks266, on 26 October 2018 - 11:20 AM, said:

3D Realms' PR firm has told us basically that in the past, and we fully understand how useful the 3D Realms name is to our marketing. However, there is more to the discussion than that.

Take a look at the press release: http://www.gamasutra...les_Q2_2019.php

Here are the counts for how often each name appears on the webpage.

3D Realms: 13
1C Entertainment: 15
Voidpoint: 0

When speaking to a live audience (think classrooms) on a complex/controversial/contentious topic, I introduce my material with the statement, "My first allegiance is to the truth."

If a publisher cannot be arsed to mention the developer of their game even once, it means accurately representing the truth is not their highest concern.

Then make sure 3DR hears that message loud and clear. Without Voidpoint, there is no Ion Maiden.

[OpenMaw]

Well the whole thing is a farce anyway.

3D Realms isn't "3D Realms."

It's just a name. The PEOPLE who made 3D Realms/Apogee what it was are not there. It's all new people. So the pretty logo doesn't mean dick diddly until they actually put out something really good.

Voidpoint, at least as far as we are concerned in this community, is a known quantity. The talent there is well known.

[MusicallyInspired]

Will this influence whether you work with 3DR in the future?

[HulkNukem]

That might be smarter for them to just not even answer one way or the other.

[The Battlelord]

Hendricks266, on 26 October 2018 - 11:20 AM, said:

Here are the counts for how often each name appears on the webpage.

3D Realms: 13
1C Entertainment: 15
Voidpoint: 0

When speaking to a live audience (think classrooms) on a complex/controversial/contentious topic, I introduce my material with the statement, "My first allegiance is to the truth."

If a publisher cannot be arsed to mention the developer of their game even once, it means accurately representing the truth is not their highest concern.

They are a "bigger", so they know they can do almost as they please, instead imagine if one us, common mortals, do a similar thing, lots of problems will come.
A lie in the world that i always hated, "the law is equal for all", suuuuuure...

Commando Nukem, on 27 October 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

Voidpoint, at least as far as we are concerned in this community, is a known quantity. The talent there is well known.

From my point of view this site is in general FULL of QUALITY, this should deserve more visits, rewards and appreciaations .

[oasiz]

Micky C, on 26 October 2018 - 04:42 AM, said:

It wasn't even 3DR's idea to have a fully-fledged build engine FPS. I'm not sure who's idea it was initially, but Ion Maiden only became a full game after the potential in the quality was seen, not because 3DR had any keen insight into the market.

It's a long story, some day...

[Forge]

Randy was being a cunt to fred and Tx about the duke character usage (HTTK & Mass Destruction), so they teamed up to use an old 3dr throw away concept character to make something better than anything gearbox has in the last 10 years.