[Danukem]

Spiker, on Jul 8 2009, 09:37 AM, said:

I don't know anything about any hopping thing.

Mikko is talking about the "dodge moves" which are activated by double tapping in a direction. The option is off by default, but you may have inadvertently turned it on in your map if you included a movement option sprite with the wrong flags set. If that's not the case, then Mikko needs to go into the DP menu and turn the dodge moves off (after which they will never trouble him again).

[Danukem]

Level designers have expressed a desire for Duke Plus to include a set of map models (such as trees, cars, etc.). This seems like a good idea, so I am accepting submissions for models to be included in future releases. These don't need to be models you made yourself. In fact, I suggest looking at the selection HERE, where you can find a lot of free md3 models.

I am going to insist on some rules for model submissions:

• It must be legal for me to include the model with Duke Plus
  
• Models must be in md3 format
  
• Models should not look out of place next to the HRP models (they should look like they belong in the same game)
  
• Models should not be too similar to something that already exists in the HRP or Duke Plus.
  
• Models must have a reasonably low number of polygons (I'm not saying how many ) and a skin that has been optimized (indexed color PNG).
  
• You must include a screenshot of the model in game (or in mapster). A 320 x 240 pic of the model in an empty room is fine, I just need to see that the model is working.
  
• Include a working model definition, or at least all of the frame names (without those the model is useless). Feel free to use dummytile or setuptile commands and add the definition to dukeplus.def, but make sure you are not overwritting existing tile numbers. I may move the model to different tile numbers when it is included, but it saves me time if I have something that already works.

[Spiker]

The dodge moves you say, unfortunately they are turned on. I thought that it won't piss off anyone because it never actives for me unless I really want it. In that case the only solution is to change the tag on the sprite.

[XThX2]

Hmm is grabbag supposed to play when you are on steroids? Because if so, there's a bug-ish thing I discovered.

If you die while you're on steroids, and if you load a saved game (Tribute to Action II), the music still plays. I don't know if this still happens when you die and restart the map from the very beginning.

[Danukem]

XThX2, on Jul 8 2009, 12:25 PM, said:

Hmm is grabbag supposed to play when you are on steroids? Because if so, there's a bug-ish thing I discovered.

If you die while you're on steroids, and if you load a saved game (Tribute to Action II), the music still plays. I don't know if this still happens when you die and restart the map from the very beginning.

I don't know what to make of that. EDuke32 has occasional issues with music playing/not playing that have nothing to do with DP. Maybe you just happened to be using the steroids when this happened but the steroids are unrelated? Duke Plus contains nothing that should effect music. It does not use the starttrack command, and the steroid effect does not do anything having to do with music...

[XThX2]

Hmm... strange I was so sure about hearing grabbag on Tribute to action... at the last part where you find Emperor.

Music playing/not playing issues => Do you mean the midis? They have this annoying issue.

[Stabs]

w00t

dead cop body!

[Gambini]

In my opinion Dukeplus should not include custom models, because the ¨game enhacer¨ title is loosing its sense.

[Danukem]

Gambini, on Jul 8 2009, 05:11 PM, said:

In my opinion Dukeplus should not include custom models, because the ¨game enhacer¨ title is loosing its sense.

The models would only appear in new maps that people put them in, so I don't see the problem. You could use DP to enhance gameplay in the old episodes and never see the models.

Going all the way back to 1996, level designers have included custom art with their maps to add things that aren't in the Duke 3D tile sets. Many of the best and most famous user maps include custom art. All I'd be doing is providing some additional models with DP, so that people can make DP maps and not be stuck with only vanilla resources. People can make DP maps with new models already, but the problem is they have to include the models with their maps, which complicates installation and prevents such maps from being added to the DP hub area. Read the third rule I stipulated for adding new models: "Models should not look out of place next to the HRP models (they should look like they belong in the same game)". The models can be for things that we wish had been part of the original art, just like the features of DP are features we wish the original game had. It is part of the normal evolution of a game enhancer.

That was a long answer, but I gave it out of respect for your opinion and to show that I have thought this through.

[Mia Max]

@DeeperThought:

I really would like to have some tree models in Duke Plus. I've already found some good looking lowpoly md3 models that were made for quake 3.
But I don't know how to make them work for Duke3d.

You can download it and many other models here:
http://www.wemakemap.../mapmodels7.htm
It is the first pak 'Trees and Trees' by GrimReaper.

The models have only ~100 polygons.
Some enemies in duke 3d have already around 2000 polygons, so I think it even would be possible to create a small forest with 20 trees without problems.

Please check it out. I want it for my map so bad

[Gambini]

Which format those models use?

oh md3, then they´re eduke32 ready, you just need to add the defs i guess

[Mia Max]

The problem is that these models use 2 textures. And I think eduke32 supports only 1 texture/model.
I will need to learn a lot about modeling. Of course it be great would if an expert would like to take care about it ...please

[Danukem]

Mia Max, on Jul 9 2009, 08:23 AM, said:

The problem is that these models use 2 textures. And I think eduke32 supports only 1 texture/model.
I will need to learn a lot about modeling. Of course it be great would if an expert would like to take care about it ...please

EDuke32 does support different textures on the same model, if the model has more than one surface.

[Mia Max]

DeeperThought, on Jul 9 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

EDuke32 does support different textures on the same model, if the model has more than one surface.

So, can you add the tree models to Duke Plus, please?
I'm sure, some other mappers would also like to use them.

[Jimmy]

DeeperThought, on Jul 8 2009, 10:01 PM, said:

The models would only appear in new maps that people put them in, so I don't see the problem. You could use DP to enhance gameplay in the old episodes and never see the models.

Going all the way back to 1996, level designers have included custom art with their maps to add things that aren't in the Duke 3D tile sets. Many of the best and most famous user maps include custom art. All I'd be doing is providing some additional models with DP, so that people can make DP maps and not be stuck with only vanilla resources. People can make DP maps with new models already, but the problem is they have to include the models with their maps, which complicates installation and prevents such maps from being added to the DP hub area. Read the third rule I stipulated for adding new models: "Models should not look out of place next to the HRP models (they should look like they belong in the same game)". The models can be for things that we wish had been part of the original art, just like the features of DP are features we wish the original game had. It is part of the normal evolution of a game enhancer.

That was a long answer, but I gave it out of respect for your opinion and to show that I have thought this through.

I'm a hardcore 8bit'er myself, and I fully stand behind you. It's your mod, and if you'd like to add this kind of stuff, more power to you. I believe that you also enjoy 8bit a little more from things you've said in the past, and you've kept compatibility for those who'd like to play with 8bit, with the occasional model or hi-res texture with no 8bit counterpart. In most cases these are even possible to disable (MP5, Double Barrel Shotgun.) I say do whatever you think can take your mod to the next level, there are naysayers for everything, but I don't think DukePlus will lose any players because there are some new models introduced.

[HJ-kos]

Hey, just spotted weird bug in 2.0 (not last, but it wasn't described in changelogs)

After you attack lizard trooper medic with shrinker it still have few seconds to fire heal teammates, so he did. Shrinking process was stopped in middle... I got half-sized lizard still attacking me. he was like normal (firing gun etc) but half-sized.

That gives a idea of new feature - Alternative Shrinker. Works as expander but in other way, uses less ammo per shot, every shot shriks enemy about to 3/4 of previous size, when enemy is smaller than half, it attacks more rarerly, when it's size <= 1/4 of original it can be squished. If size is still greataer than 1/2 enemy will slowly regain size, else it will restore as in classic shrinker but also hurts enemy a bit. Also maybe add "mind stopper" for expander (as mind blast for shrinker) that will immobilize aliens for a while.

There also some of my great ideas:
drinkable coffee mugs
alt attack for chaingun - fires 3 bullets at once, slower firerate, faster heating
grenade launcher (like battlelord's) instead pipes
motion-sensing tripbombs that can be placed on floors (mines)

[HJ-kos]

also about new jetpack

* add smoke to default jetpack
* change duke "state" when jump-flying (it doent change to "flying" like it with normal jetpack)
* change jetpack state "OFF" to "AUTO" in HUD and probably "ON" to "HOVR" (meaning Hover-mode)
* add jetpack start sound when activating it and jetpack off when landing/out of fuel

(personally i'd give duke jetpack from beginning but with 10% of fuel and replaced jetpack item with some kind of gas tank)

also about items:
it would be great if duke use scuba only when he's outta oxygen

[Danukem]

Mia Max, on Jul 9 2009, 09:49 AM, said:

So, can you add the tree models to Duke Plus, please?
I'm sure, some other mappers would also like to use them.

Yes, and I know you have the model in game now, so send it to me with the model def you are using.

[eddym4814]

I finally played Duke Plus 2.0 last night. I really like the new weapons and reloading system. It reminds of the reloading system in the Outlaws game. I took some screenshots and made a little slideshow to highlight some of the Duke Plus features. It's low res because I wanted to keep the file size below 5MB.

[Flacken.WS]

Possible Bug in Shark:
After freezing it, Shark don't attack, don't die and keep moving slowly to forward.

BTW, Jetpack Feature is very good, remember Duke Nukem Weapon of Mass Destruction.

[Stabs]

new machine gun shot spark effect if your interested

[Danukem]

DanM, on Jul 11 2009, 05:42 AM, said:

new machine gun shot spark effect if your interested

mp5fire1.png

I just tried that and it's quite good!

[Stabs]

theres another too try, its just i find the other a bit harder to aim with, so i added a bit more transparency to make it less distracting, thats what i personally found after using it for a bit.



its upto you man

[Headless_Horseman]

The bug with the flying guy that shots rockets is still there : with Advanced AI on, if you mindblast him he still spinattack you and not the other enemies (although he rarely shots them with the rockets).

[Micky C]

I'm not sure if it's been considered before or not but is it possible to add a variable control to Duke Taunts Plus which determines how often he uses quotes? It would be really awesome if DukePlus had that.

[Danukem]

Micky C, on Jul 12 2009, 03:57 AM, said:

I'm not sure if it's been considered before or not but is it possible to add a variable control to Duke Taunts Plus which determines how often he uses quotes? It would be really awesome if DukePlus had that.

Oops! That is supposed to be controlled by SWEARFREQUENCY in USER.CON, like it has been since 1996 (0 = no jib sounds, 255 = talking every time). But when I changed the jib sound state recently I omitted that bit and he says something every time he blows up a monster. I have just fixed this. Download the latest code from the link in my signature. The things he says when shooting monsters with bullets were already controlled by that number (it is about half of SWEARFREQUENCY ). I also fixed the allied Commander bug mentioned by Headless_Horseman.

[Danukem]

There was a bug, which has existed for a long time, which made shrunk monsters invulnerable to everything except stomping. There was a line in the genericshrunkcode which prevented them from taking damage. I have fixed this and uploaded the fixed CONs. However, since I don't know why that line was there, it is possible that this has broken something else. So if anyone has some free time on their hands, they could do me a favor by checking all the shrinkable actors (including the bots) to make sure that nothing nasty happens when they take damage when shrunk. Maybe there is some actor that becomes invincible after growing again, I don't know. Or maybe it's fine now.

EDIT: And in case it isn't obvous, the bug has been fixed only in the latest unofficial code, not the full download.

[Mia Max]

@DeeperThought:

How many models do you accept?
I got 11 different models that have 3 MB alltogether.

I just would like to know if this is already too much or if I may add some more.

[Spiker]

Surely not all of these will be included. That would be pointless to trash DP with this.

[Danukem]

Mia Max, on Jul 15 2009, 01:50 PM, said:

@DeeperThought:

How many models do you accept?
I got 11 different models that have 3 MB alltogether.

I just would like to know if this is already too much or if I may add some more.

The machine gun is good and will be a functional stationary gun. The trees are all fine. Duke 3D is very lacking in trees (I am tired of looking at palm trees). I remember that there is a tombstone in the original art which should have an HRP model by now. Can you check that? I will accept two of those tombstones, but I'm not sure which two. The coffin looks good and could be useful in other maps, although it is the sort of thing that could be built out of sectors. I don't like the statue head very much. I'm assuming that the golden gun and DNF hand skin are not part of what you are suggesting.

@Spiker: The only time you would see the models is when you play a map that uses them, so if you hate them so much then just don't play those maps.