[PsychoGoatee]

Jimmy, on 15 May 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

She doesn't look punk at all. I'm the resident expert on on punk. She looks like she listens to Hatebreed or Pantera, not Sleater-Kinney or the Minutemen.

The dev interview did mention heavy metal in her look, nuttin' wrong with that. Though there's a bit of overlap in some metal and punk trends.

I think Interceptor did a good job salvaging their project here, Bombshell could be fun. I liked the funny voice over stuff at the end.

[ReaperMan]

High Treason, on 15 May 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Knowing how much America would suck if it wasn't for the brits.

Some days i wish i lived in an alternative timeline where United States would of let the Brits get taken over by Nazi Germany during WWII, or helped the Germans During WWI just so they would act so smug. Which is strange because the Brits as well as several European countries caused 2 world wars, wrote the book on Colonization and Slavery. So thank-you for all those bad habits that you created, Bravo sir.

[High Treason]

"We saved your ass in World War II!"

Nationalism, it exists to teach you to hate people you haven't even met yet and makes you feel pride for other people's achievements. Technically I didn't do anything, allow me to introduce Doug Stanhop and his take on nationalism which pretty much reflects my real views on such matters.

I often do try to immagine a world where Hitler won the war though, not because I support him or anything, I just wonder whether things would have been worse or better in the long run.

On the bright side, at least Britain doesn't just surrender. Nor does it start wars over oil (though we do jump on bandwagons). On the other hand, we still have a monarchy, which is a fairly medieval concept and I can get jailed for calling people names on the internet. If you want the truth, I agree with an American I knew a few years back who used to say "This country sucks ass!" the whole time he was here. I don't really care where someone is from, I tend to judge the individual.

I suppose I should say something that's not off-topic... But I can't think of anything. It's nearly 7AM anyway, so I'll have stuff to do soon instead of just shitposting.

[Fox]

ReaperMan, on 15 May 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:

the Brits as well as several European countries caused 2 world wars

Right, because US hates war.

ReaperMan, on 15 May 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:

wrote the book on Colonization and Slavery. So thank-you for all those bad habits that you created, Bravo sir.

The Europeans didn't invented colonization or slavery, they exist since the beggining of mankind. The US just happened to be somewhere near the end of it.

High Treason, on 15 May 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

I often do try to immagine a world where Hitler won the war though, not because I support him or anything, I just wonder whether things would have been worse or better in the long run.

"History is written by the victors"

The germany is demonized because they lost the war. The Soviet Union is not behind the nazi in terms of human rights violations. And the US destroyed two cities with atomic bombs.

[Person of Color]

The South has been dragging America down since it's inception.

[OpenMaw]

So uh, speaking of the south and geopolitics.... Any thoughts on Bombshell's tits?

Spoiler

Ya know? Surely they unite us all in commonality. Right?

Actually, i'll be honest... I'm not a big fan of... Ahem... implants... Of the cybernetic variety....

Someone's gonna mess this up...

[ReaperMan]

High Treason, on 15 May 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

Technically I didn't do anything, allow me to introduce Doug Stanhop.

1) You helped to start a flame-war.
2)You seem to take advice on political views from comedians.
(Although Politics are a joke, so you might be on to something)

High Treason, on 15 May 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

I suppose I should say something that's not off-topic... But I can't think of anything. It's nearly 7AM anyway, so I'll have stuff to do soon instead of just shitposting.

Seems to me we just improved this thread.

Fox, on 15 May 2014 - 09:58 PM, said:

Right, because US hates war.

Never said we didn't.

Fox, on 15 May 2014 - 09:58 PM, said:

The Europeans didn't invented colonization or slavery, they exist since the beggining of mankind. The US just happened to be somewhere near the end of it.

True, but since High Treason was spitting out false information i thought i had the right to do the same.

Fox, on 15 May 2014 - 09:58 PM, said:

The germany is demonized because they lost the war. The Soviet Union is not behind the nazi in terms of human rights violations. And the US destroyed two cities with atomic bombs.

True.

[Cage]

Weren't we like... supposed to discuss the game?

[High Treason]

ReaperMan, on 15 May 2014 - 10:52 PM, said:

True, but since High Treason was spitting out false information i thought i had the right to do the same.

I fail to see where. Your point is invalid.

You guys can sit here and whitter on about petty BS, I have other things I would rather do, though do continue, I am rather entertained by this whole scenario.

[OpenMaw]

Cage, on 15 May 2014 - 11:08 PM, said:

Weren't we like... supposed to discuss the game?

Hey I tried to unite us with immaturity and crassness. It did not work.


Any further thoughts from you on the game at this point, Cage?

[ReaperMan]

High Treason, on 15 May 2014 - 11:11 PM, said:

You guys can sit here and whitter on about petty BS, I have other things I would rather do, though do continue, I am rather entertained by this whole scenario.

This is very confusing. First you complain about petty arguments and our continuation of them. However in a way, you yourself are helping to continue this argument about... nothing in particular.

Then you say "continue" and that you are entertained by it even though you have better things to do, which we all know it means you are going to follow this thread now. So i guess you technically don't have anything better to do. You would of just been better off saying "Gee this is pretty fun fucking around in this thread having arguments because i have nothing that important to do at this moment and i love you assholes."

Anyway, i guess cage wants to talk about Duke Shrillex Jack Bombshell.

[Cage]

Commando Nukem, on 15 May 2014 - 11:13 PM, said:

Hey I tried to unite us with immaturity and crassness. It did not work.

BECAUSE YOU USED COMIC SANS!!!!!11

Commando Nukem, on 15 May 2014 - 11:13 PM, said:

Any further thoughts from you on the game at this point, Cage?

Well, Bombshell is the main character so guess she has more freedom to do what she pleases. But the EDF GDF female trooper has a cleavage while the dude is armor clad from head to toe - minus points for that!

Also looking from the shots, I seems that we'll have some cyber-arm melee as well as the arm doubling as a gun?

Besides that, I think we can only wait for more material.

[ReaperMan]

Cage, on 15 May 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:

Well, Bombshell is the main character so guess she has more freedom to do what she pleases. But the EDF GDF female trooper has a cleavage while the dude is armor clad from head to toe - minus points for that!

Clearly that's sexism at the EDF GDF, they must think women are not as important to protect. The feminist will have a field day with this.

[OpenMaw]

Like I pointed out to somebody else. Duke wears a red wife beater and jeans. Duke's showing off his muscular arms and chest all the time. I want people to explain to me when it became not okay for chicks in games to be sexy? I'm not saying they have to be, but i'm tired of hearing all manner of 'mature' critics, journalists, and feminists who rant up and down about that particular subject. (I know you didn't mean it that way, Cage. Just as an aside.)

Honestly, as far as all her femme qualities are concerned she's actually pretty dialed back. She's not overly made up or anything, but she's not also reboot-lara "we have to be politically correct" either. She falls in the middle. The only thing that bothers me in a major way is that hairdo. I don't care if it's trendy, or whatever the reason for it, it's just not that visually appealing to me. I get why they did it. It balances out a bit with the robotic arm, but I honestly think maybe they should either shave her down to an even-high and tight, or go with an actual Bombshell style hair cut, like I said before. It just kinda sits wrong on an otherwise fine design.

...Besides, hero figures don't need armor. They've got invisible plot armor.

[Cage]

Sexism and double standard aside, I personally think that's bad design which throws the suspension of disbelief out the window for me.

Well, top unzipped jumpsuit/protective suit isn't as big of a sin as those stupid fantasy MMO breastplates with breast lumps (which in case of the impact, focus the full force of it on the sternum... ouch) or breastplate with cleavage window (You know, since breaking rib(s) is a minor injury, and "beneath" the boobs are those totally not important organs like lungs and heart)

Once you know how things work, those designs just make no sense.

EDIT after Commando Nukem's post: well, Duke's outfit isn't that great for fighting too but we know the theme & style of the Duke games and we know not to take those seriously. I guess it might be the same case here, but at the moment, we can only guess. I totally agree with you on Bombshell being "pretty dialed back", and that's a plus. Don't take my GDF troop remark that too seriously, I admit I like to raise the issue though (It seems to me it flies over many people's heads). Compared to some other games, there's really very little "boob-magnets" in the content shown so far. Also I like that the president looks pretty badass - a character with evident dumb "damsel-in-distress" potential

Nothing wrong with girls wanting to be sexy. It's just that some autors of games/comic books/media in general have the idea they're supposed to be always sexy - even during fighting evil big robots or eating a cheeseburger after work. There's places and situations where there's no room for sexy - could any of you image Starship Troopers with female characters having cleavage windows in their armors during the field operations?

[Jblade]

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Honestly, as far as all her femme qualities are concerned she's actually pretty dialed back. She's not overly made up or anything, but she's not also reboot-lara "we have to be politically correct" either.

I'm not sure politically correct is the word you're looking for there (and I hate that term since it's always used by racists over here to try and justify why non-white people shouldn't be on TV) I think they 'tried' to tone down her sex appeal, but it didn't work because she actually looks like an actual model rather than the more fantasy super-heroine that the old Lara Croft was (I like both of course, they've both got their style)

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Like I pointed out to somebody else. Duke wears a red wife beater and jeans. Duke's showing off his muscular arms and chest all the time. I want people to explain to me when it became not okay for chicks in games to be sexy? I'm not saying they have to be, but i'm tired of hearing all manner of 'mature' critics, journalists, and feminists who rant up and down about that particular subject. (I know you didn't mean it that way, Cage. Just as an aside.)

The idea is that Duke is a masculine power fantasy, and that it's not actually what women find attractive. Of course that's a fucking dumb idea, because everybody finds different stuff attractive. I just don't worry about it, because SJWs will never be happy. ever.

[Mr. Tibbs]

You're right, but difference there is that Duke's an established character with a long legacy. Outside of this community and handful of others, no one knows or cares about Bombshell. Obviously that's just for the time being, but there's no investment there.

The reaction hasn't been too hot but that's mostly due to the terrible trailer. If Interceptor would've shown gameplay, or the world she lives in and ended with a close-up on the model, no one would be offended. It's that they chose to slowly rotate a camera around a character dressed in bikini armor sitting alone in an empty room for 3 minutes. There was no context for anything. It literally takes place in a void. The trailer has done the whole project a massive disservice because those shots make the world look colorful and fun and the former is anything but.

I'm sure once the game is shown off at E3 people will come around.

[Malgon]

Can't say I'm too keen on the visual design of Bombshell. Not sure what it is that's making it feel like it doesn't have much pop - maybe something to do with the colour scheme just feeling a little dull as well? - I don't know, but the other points people have raised about the design have some merit. I didn't really dig the teaser/trailer either, as it felt kind of flat and didn't seem to have much of a point or drive home what it intended to imo. On a positive note, I do like the look of the screenshots, as they have some refreshing use of colour, and the art direction looks solid enough. Here's hoping we get to see some gameplay footage sometime soon.

[OpenMaw]

Cage, on 16 May 2014 - 12:03 AM, said:

Sexism and double standard aside, I personally think that's bad design which throws the suspension of disbelief out the window for me.

Well, top unzipped jumpsuit/protective suit isn't as big of a sin as those stupid fantasy MMO breastplates with breast lumps (which in case of the impact, focus the full force of it on the sternum... ouch) or breastplate with cleavage window (You know, since breaking rib(s) is a minor injury, and "beneath" the boobs are those totally not important organs like lungs and heart)

Once you know how things work, those designs just make no sense.

I can agree with some of that. One of the more glaring ones that comes to my mind as a Trekker is the female Klingon armor in Star Trek TNG. For a warrior race that treat women as equals in combat it seems really dumb that they'd have the center of their chests exposed for anyone to drive a blade into... And sex appeal on Klingons? Come on...

...But, you've basically cornered the argument there. All I can say is, again, "what about Duke?" The man has literally no body armor on, save for the "meta" aspect of picking some up in Duke3D. All it'll take is one well placed shotgun blast to his chest and he is history. The idea of that character making it ten feet in "real-life" falls apart too, if you think about it for more than a few seconds. Right? Physical design aside, Bombshell is still essentially a Rule 36 (63? I can't remember...) of Duke. A tough as nails alien ass kicker who spouts one liners and fights alongside, most likely incompetent, soldiers. We may be more intimate with that knowledge, but the website and even the trailer, as somewhat lackluster as it is, show that.

Also, before anyone says women don't find that attractive... Some women are actually very drawn to alpha and super-alpha men. Of course Duke is a MALE power fantasy first and foremost, but that doesn't mean that some women don't like Duke. They're actually the exact kind of women Duke tends to hang around with.

James, on 16 May 2014 - 12:10 AM, said:

I'm not sure politically correct is the word you're looking for there (and I hate that term since it's always used by racists over here to try and justify why non-white people shouldn't be on TV) I think they 'tried' to tone down her sex appeal, but it didn't work because she actually looks like an actual model rather than the more fantasy super-heroine that the old Lara Croft was (I like both of course, they've both got their style)

Nah, I absolutely really do mean politically correct in this context. They changed Lara Croft's design primarily because of feminist outcry over the physical appearance of the character. (Ironically, they completely ignored the content of the games, of course. Where she is shown as strong, smart, pro-active, and savvy.) To quote-un-quote "ground her in a sense of realism." Which is... Well, the point is right here, and the developers are over there missing it.

So, very much a politically motivated decision to reimagine the character from her original days into something that wouldn't necessarily offend anyone. Though it did "offend" me in much the same way the reimagined Samus "offended" me. Instead of just being confident and cock sure, going around kicking ass and taking names, they now have all this baggage tied to them which somehow makes them more human. What it really does is make them seem weak. Samus especially came off as needy, clingy, desperate, and overly emotional. A far cry from the stoic space warrior she was in Super Metroid and the Prime trilogy.

I mean, nevermind that OG Lara was twelve flavors of badass and should have been seen as a empowering female figure in her original series of games anyway. So, politically correct as in, we have to do this, think this, or say this, to appease this group. Otherwise, we risk offending them. Not because it's our creative choice, or anything but strictly political appeasement. That sickens me.



I don't care about skin color or gender. It only ever bothers me when its clear you're dealing with a decision that is politically motivated. IE: If they hire an actor because of their skin color. Not because of their ability to perform the role, or if it flies in the face of the character. If you were to do a biopic about Abraham Lincoln and cast Morgan Freeman... Well, okay, now I want to see that movie. Damnit.

An example would be... Back in 2008 when the Max Payne movie was coming down, and Detective Jim Bravura was being played by Ludacris... Way to miss the entire aura of the character guys. He's supposed to be a hard-edged old timer New York chief. A classic archetype. I don't care what his skin color was, Ludacris just didn't fit that character. Even more damning when they had freakin' Beau Bridges in the movie who would have been perfect for Bravura. They did it to appease the "urban market" (Don't look at me, that's what they call it), and wouldn't ya know, the character was barely in the movie anyway, and the performance was awful. It was just a name to draw in a demographic. Politically correct bullshit with no artistic integrity. So, does that make me racist? I don't hate Ludacris, I don't care that he's black. What bothers me is that he was cast simply because he is black, in an attempt to "diversify" the cast and make more money. To the detriment of the film. Okay. So if you want a black actor in that role, why not pick someone who would at least embody the characteristics of that character, properly? Somebody with more age and bite. But I digress.

As with many things context is important. Bombshell is clearly not meant to be a serious character. She's got a similar stamp on her to that of ROTT 2013. She's Duke if Duke were a woman, and lost an arm.


...What's an SJW?

[X-Vector]

James, on 16 May 2014 - 12:10 AM, said:

The idea is that Duke is a masculine power fantasy, and that it's not actually what women find attractive.

Exactly, he's the Schwarzenegger of videogames and likewise not created to serve as a titillating fetish.

The following articles pretty much sum up my stance on the matter:
http://www.doctorner...male-privilege/
http://www.escapistm...19-Gender-Games
http://tap-repeatedl...-after-reading/

More discussion on the issue:
http://www.escapistm...nd-Women?page=1

[Jblade]

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...What's an SJW?

Social justice warrior - basically people getting offended on behalf of other minorities whom they might not necessarily belong to. Sticking up for someone getting trod on is a good thing to do, but getting offended on their behalf is not a good or healthy thing to do. Somewhere deep in the bullshit is a genuinely noble person who wants everyone to get a fair shake, but the idea was co-opted by people who just shout and scream and act obnoxiously.

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Nah, I absolutely really do mean politically correct in this context. They changed Lara Croft's design primarily because of feminist outcry over the physical appearance of the character. (Ironically, they completely ignored the content of the games, of course. Where she is shown as strong, smart, pro-active, and savvy.) To quote-un-quote "ground her in a sense of realism." Which is... Well, the point is right here, and the developers are over there missing it.

I get what you're saying but..did they actually do that though? As in outright say "we're changing it for feminists"? I think they wanted to go for a much more grounded storyline and tried changing her to resemble a real human more. She's still like a 10/10 beauty who is literally a super soldier though, so they didn't really accomplish that well. She had a few token "woe is me moments" than went to kill hundreds of dudes whilst taking injuries that would cripple the strongest man for months if not for life (Vidya logic I know, but this is why realistic reboots don't mesh well with having an actual videogame to play)

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An example would be... Back in 2008 when the Max Payne movie was coming down, and Detective Jim Bravura was being played by Ludacris... Way to miss the entire aura of the character guys. He's supposed to be a hard-edged old timer New York chief. A classic archetype. I don't care what his skin color was, Ludacris just didn't fit that character. Even more damning when they had freakin' Beau Bridges in the movie who would have been perfect for Bravura. They did it to appease the "urban market" (Don't look at me, that's what they call it), and wouldn't ya know, the character was barely in the movie anyway, and the performance was awful. It was just a name to draw in a demographic. Politically correct bullshit with no artistic integrity. So, does that make me racist? I don't hate Ludacris, I don't care that he's black. What bothers me is that he was cast simply because he is black, in an attempt to "diversify" the cast and make more money. To the detriment of the film. Okay. So if you want a black actor in that role, why not pick someone who would at least embody the characteristics of that character, properly? Somebody with more age and bite. But I digress.

I would say that's more marketing being shitheads than PC business, but that movie was going to be a turd anyway No I do agree, I have no objection changing a character's race depending on the actor behind it, but only if it's a genuine desire for quality rather than appealing to demographics. I'd have no problem with the next James Bond being black (everybody keeps saying Idris Elba, well he'd be good I think) as long as they chose an actually decent actor for it.

[Tea Monster]

ReaperMan, on 15 May 2014 - 10:52 PM, said:

2)You seem to take advice on political views from comedians.

You guys elected Dubyah - twice, we just provided the laugh-track.

[OpenMaw]

Oi, sorry, this one came out longer than I intended it to... I was writing for an hour and a half! Holy shit... I'm going to bed now.

This is a problem I have with extreme feminism/feminists. It's way to strict about implying "what women want/need." There are many women out there who do love the classic "big strong man" (and they seem to get looked down upon for it), just as there are many who love sensitive pipe cleaner armed guy who sit in front of computers at 4:50 AM drinking flat Diet Pepsi and listening to Pantera while they write incredibly long winded rant-like posts about sex/sex appeal in video games and try to pass it off as something witty and intelligent...

...I'm not talking about me. Shut the Hell up.

James, on 16 May 2014 - 01:47 AM, said:

Social justice warrior - basically people getting offended on behalf of other minorities whom they might not necessarily belong to. Sticking up for someone getting trod on is a good thing to do, but getting offended on their behalf is not a good or healthy thing to do. Somewhere deep in the bullshit is a genuinely noble person who wants everyone to get a fair shake, but the idea was co-opted by people who just shout and scream and act obnoxiously.

Ah. Another group to add to the Assholes tab.

James, on 16 May 2014 - 01:47 AM, said:

I get what you're saying but..did they actually do that though? As in outright say "we're changing it for feminists"? I think they wanted to go for a much more grounded storyline and tried changing her to resemble a real human more. She's still like a 10/10 beauty who is literally a super soldier though, so they didn't really accomplish that well. She had a few token "woe is me moments" than went to kill hundreds of dudes whilst taking injuries that would cripple the strongest man for months if not for life (Vidya logic I know, but this is why realistic reboots don't mesh well with having an actual videogame to play)

Of course they never came out right and said it. That's not how that kind of thing works generally. It's no secret that Lara was a big issue with women's rights groups because of her overly proportioned design. There were inferences to how past Lara wasn't exactly respectful of women. All of it was harkening back to and recalling many articles I had read on the subject. They toned the gratuity way down, tried to bring up the realism, then tripped over their own shoelaces with a really really uncomfortable implied rape-but-not-really-rape scene. Yeeeaahhh... Just let her jump out of her robe with her guns akimbo and start blasting the wild-life and monsters please. It saves me the trouble of having to sit through the animation demo reel, and dramatic quick time events.

In my view, the moment you want to design such a radically different character, you should just go and make a new one. I have no problem with, say, Alan Wake, but if he were to suddenly transform into a slapstick comedy guy, it wouldn't make sense. Lara Croft will always be the girl who smirked behind her round glasses before kicking off on amazing adventures with never a doubt in her mind. Imagine, just imagine if they had tried to do the same thing to Duke Nukem with DNF. Ho-lee shit. It just wouldn't fit. The soft sensitive man behind the shades, guns, and strippers. Deep down inside he's really a teary eyed poet who just wants to settle down with a nice Christian girl and have a refreshing cup of tea with his daddy... FFF...!

James, on 16 May 2014 - 01:47 AM, said:

I would say that's more marketing being shitheads than PC business, but that movie was going to be a turd anyway No I do agree, I have no objection changing a character's race depending on the actor behind it, but only if it's a genuine desire for quality rather than appealing to demographics. I'd have no problem with the next James Bond being black (everybody keeps saying Idris Elba, well he'd be good I think) as long as they chose an actually decent actor for it.

I think he'd make an amazing Bond. I've only seen him in a few films, but he's done a fantastic job, even if the scripts weren't necessarily giving him a lot to work with.

X-Vector, on 16 May 2014 - 01:27 AM, said:

Exactly, he's the Schwarzenegger of videogames and likewise not created to serve as a titillating fetish.

The following articles pretty much sum up my stance on the matter:
http://www.doctorner...male-privilege/
http://www.escapistm...19-Gender-Games
http://tap-repeatedl...-after-reading/

More discussion on the issue:
http://www.escapistm...nd-Women?page=1

None of this is intended as a personal attack, Vector, I just apparently had a lot to text to puke out... Sorry again, folks.

They start to lose me the moment "male privilege" comes out. I know, that's pretty damn fast, but that phrase alone just sets off my bullshit alarms for a number of reasons. Yes, no denying there are a lot of assholes out there, and they deserve to be tarred for it. In fact I've had to take a few of my friends aside and ask them to tone it down on occasion when we entered a coed gaming situation with women who were either married or not interested in anything but playing games and having a good time. That's reality, though. By that I mean there's a big difference between a titillating female character, and sexual harassment. That's one thing that pisses me off more than anything, when i'm passing out pixelated Benjamins to hookers it is not the same thing as going up to a woman in real-life and staring down at her boobs, grabbing her ass, or making lewd remarks.

I've played many an online game where a woman will enter the server and one of two things happens: Lots of ass kissing and contrived 'flirtation' in her direction, or outright malicious remarks about her. Those are assholes, and they deserve to have their nuts flame roasted. However, and again, let's get some context and separate the two elements here. That is an entirely different aspect of the discussion from any given female character being sexualised, or a sexual/sexualised fantasy in a video game. I hate to go this extreme, but do you blame pornography or exploitation movies for domestic violence and rape? Personally, I don't. Nothing supports that conclusion anymore than violent video games begets violence. People who behave that way are deranged, or they were brought up not understanding how to treat other people. Either way they should be chemically castrated and handed over to Bubba for "rehabilitation."

The gaming industry has been a male-dominated one for a long time, there's no denying that, but that has been changing over time. Not because there was some heroic crusade. It certainly wasn't because girl's weren't allowed as some kind of de-facto rule, contrary to what a small minority of aforementioned assholes would like to claim(that girls are not allowed). Indeed some of the earliest unsung pioneers in the software industry were women. it was simply that for a long time it was mostly young men between the ages of 13 and 35 that were buying and playing games. Women in more recent years have become more and more involved in gaming and game development as it has garnered a broader reach and appeal. It has nothing to do with male privilege. If some jerk off harasses someone in public: He's an asshole. However, if you don't like a video game box with big boobed girl number 34758, then don't play it. Don't buy it. Tell your friends not to buy it if you must. Rant about it on a forum with like minded people. That's all good, and I can even respect the reasons why women might not like it. Just like a number of women don't like pornography or prostitution for the same exact reasons. That doesn't mean they're right in trying to abolish those practices. They are, in fact, not. Dick jokes and boobitude will endure no matter how many people cry "THATS IMMATURE! Haven't we grown past this?" No, and thank God we haven't. Life already has enough serious drama in it.

Indeed, i've been witness to women cooing and gasping over young boys and going on and on, and I wasn't particularly enthused by that, but I know right away that freaking Twilight wasn't a book or film franchise made for me. Right? I don't expect them to stop showing boys without their shirts, or excise the teen drama, or change anything because I was put off by it. That's common sense. That's where a big issue lies. There's a difference between sexual harassment, and the personal freedom to enjoy the kind of entertainment we want free of the malice directed at innocent gamers who did nothing to anyone but mind their own business. Right? Right.

..This always teeters in a dangerous spot, though. Many of the extreme elements in these groups would have gleefully pulled Duke Nukem 3D from the shelves for allowing you to "murder hapless strippers." Here's where those kind of people, and people who support those ideas get their asses stomped out. You don't get to tell me that I can't have it, or that I should be ashamed. Which they do. The very fact that some women's groups tried to get Duke3D lifted from shelves is an undeniable fact and proof that this goes into fascist territory. I'd love to see the hard-drives of some of those who decry the average male gamer little more than a degenerate pervert. I'm sure they've got their own little secrets, as we all do, that they'd absolutely hate having someone know about.

I know, i'm gonna be labeled the hater here by some, but absolutely nothing is stopping women from developing games. Certainly not anymore. Whatever they want to do. Whatever represents their interests, views, or just them, they can do in this industry. Indeed, many already have done so with incredible success, and will continue to do so. As they should.

Shocker, but men like looking at sexy women, even in pixel or polygonal form. In fact I used to get some confused looks from my mother when I played any RPG's as a woman, and I had to explain to her that i'd rather look at a female avatar than a male one. She was concerned I was having some kind of sexual identity crisis until I explained to her that it's just a game, a fantasy, and i'd rather look at the sexy female-warrior-woman in the leotard than the buff male-warrior-man in the leotard. The same for my sister, she will often play a male instead of a female, because she likes to look at her male avatar. Hell, shocker, some women even enjoy looking at sexy video game women! I know, right? Look out! I've even dated a couple. There is nothing wrong with that until it spills over into the way people treat each other in real life. But the two things are separate issues.

[Micky C]

^It's amazing what a video game invokes isn't it?

[Kyanos]

I was so tempted to hit the reply button

I had a good laugh at all that. Reminded me of being 14 and my mom banning me from playing Duke3D. Yeah, she saw / heard me tip the stripper.
Duke "Shake it baby!"
My mom "what are you playing there?"
Yeah, almost as bad as when she figured out how to access the net history on aol. Haha

[Trebor_UK]

I feel like chipping in.

Yes, Bombshell needs some polish on her character design, which will obviously improve as it's still early days yet.

But she could be worse people.

Secondly:
SJW's and hardcore feminist equality movements piss me off. The Stick of Truth was almost boycotted by a bunch of feminists because there wasn't an option to play as a female. What the fuck? That's the way the fucking story was written, you play as a BOY who's new to South Park.

It's like...Harry potter is the lead character of his story, hence why he's called Harry Potter and not fucking Harriet Potter.

If women want so much equality, then why should I hold the door open for you? I hold the door open for people anyway as I'm not a rude prick, but it's stupid to demand equality and then not use it. That's a rant for another day though.

In FPS games (such as dare I say it, COD, Battlefield, and of course other games like Counter-Strike) there isn't a need for female character models...for many reasons. One, because wars are largely fought by men only anyway (yes I know more and more women fight these days but it's still mainly men) and two, it's difficult to create and balance. Women and men are built and move differently. Women are generally shorter and have different body dimensions, so it would place male models at an unfair disadvantage in competitive games. Sure they could just make the heads different, but that would look retarded.

If there was more female gamers and more female talent in the industry, then maybe we will see a bit of diversity. But unfortunately, it's still mainly dominated by men.

Also, whoever said they like to play as female characters In games just to look at them in a pleasing manner, that's sort or weird. Maybe you should get a gf? (No offense, but whatever floats your boat...) I'm a Heterosexual male and I always try to play as a male in RPGs if I have the option. It sort of makes me feel immersed more, and I can put myself in my characters/avatars shoes more easily.

[Jblade]

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Also, whoever said they like to play as female characters In games just to look at them in a pleasing manner, that's sort or weird. Maybe you should get a gf? (No offense) I'm a Heterosexual male and I always try to play as a male in RPGs if I have the option. It sort of makes me feel immersed more, and I can play myself in my character/avatars shoes.

Don't say something insulting and then chicken out by saying "No offense" dude, if you want to say something like that have the balls to stand by it instead of saying and then giving yourself a way out if somebody gets pissed.

Anyways I do it as well, and I don't want a girlfriend so there.

[DustFalcon85]

Protected by Viper, on 15 May 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

Yeah the two guys who founded BioWare actually left the industry because of that shit. Gamers are assholes and I agree with you there.

Same applies to Ken and Roberta Williams; The husband-wife founders of Sierra. I feel that the Golden Age of gaming has died some time ago I think. Creators that had their creative control yanked away from their hands.

[OpenMaw]

So, no sleep for me. Suns up, so why bother?

Trebor_UK, on 16 May 2014 - 04:20 AM, said:

Also, whoever said they like to play as female characters In games just to look at them in a pleasing manner, that's sort or weird. Maybe you should get a gf? (No offense, but whatever floats your boat...) I'm a Heterosexual male and I always try to play as a male in RPGs if I have the option. It sort of makes me feel immersed more, and I can put myself in my characters/avatars shoes more easily.

"look at them in a pleasing manner" almost sounds Masturbatory. I don't know if i'd go that far. It's more like a simple preference to look at a female in an RPG rather than a male. If it's a story driven game, then I don't care. It's just when i'm offered the choice i'll play, say, Jill Valentine over Chris Redfield. It's not even so much a sexual thing, it's just i'd rather stare at a nice looking female for the next three hours instead of a nice looking male.

Well, I would only say you should rethink your criteria. Girlfriends aren't just a statue you get to sit in the corner of the room and stare at awkwardly. Women, most people really, don't like it when you stare while mouth breathing. Hell, the Twilight incident I described was in fact with a girlfriend. Movie night. I watched Twilight with her, she watched Aliens with me. I think she got the better deal, personally...


I must admit the youtube situation regarding Bombshell's reveal trailer is actually quite disheartening. I have complaints, as have been mentioned, but the negative reaction is pretty steep right now.




300+ likes 900+ dislikes. Ouch. I wonder what the folks at Interceptor think of this?

[Kyanos]

OMG the comments are to die for! Any publicity is good publicity, maybe, it's pretty hatefilled.

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I want DUKE Nukem, not DYKE Nukem. I want my sexist pig overly macho jerkass action hero on steroids. Not some wannabe tank girl.

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Not a single normal map was seen that day....

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all I really need is a team. That and a crippled, brain-dead monkey, to come up with a better premise and character design

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"I've got an arm of Steeeeeeeel..."

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Womens cant be main characters ingame since they are lesser being than men even in real life...

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Whoops, looks they mistyped 2026.

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People still do tech demo for the PS1 ? i din't knew that !

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It's a good thing they dug up a bunch of those E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial Atari games in that New Mexico landfill, because now there's plenty of room to bury this piece of shit game deep within the earth's core