[The Lone Duker]

I miss the good old days when we get duke games now it's like let's wait 6 freaking years for a duke game

[Kathy]

I miss the old days of DNF never being finished. It was the best game nobody played.

[The Lone Duker]

Kathy, on 27 February 2014 - 03:25 AM, said:

I miss the old days of DNF never being finished. It was the best game nobody played.

I would love to play the old DNF bet it was better

[Micky C]

The Duke Returns, on 27 February 2014 - 03:29 AM, said:

I would love to play the old DNF bet it was better

I'm going to not derail this thread back into picture posts by not posting a Captain Obvious pic.

[NUKEMDAVE]

I played old DNF when I played DNF 2013.

[The Lone Duker]

NUKEMDAVE, on 27 February 2014 - 03:33 AM, said:

I played old DNF when I played DNF 2013.

I'm not talking about mods Dave I'm talking about the real thing not a mod the ones that were showed on that disk

[Kathy]

NUKEMDAVE, on 27 February 2014 - 03:33 AM, said:

I played old DNF when I played DNF 2013.

It didn't even have Duke3d's level of interactivity let alone the stuff that was promised for DNF.

[NUKEMDAVE]

Kathy, on 27 February 2014 - 03:38 AM, said:

It didn't even have Duke3d's level of interactivity let alone the stuff that was promised for DNF.

It's nothing that can't be improved if work is still going to be continued on it. I thought it was decent.

[Micky C]

Interactivity wasn't the point of the mod, more like the level layout, art style and combat.

What kind of interactivity did you expect? Something to happen when you use the poker machines?

[Kathy]

I know it wasn't the point, but some things couldn't be destroyed when similar stuff in Duke3d could. For example, that fire extinguisher from trailer scene. It's nothing major of course, but interectavity was the main hype inducing characteristic of DNF.

[Kyanos]

Whatever happened to this DN:Reloaded green light from gearbox back in July. They got the go ahead to release the Duke game that Gearbox canceled (as long as it's free), instead they decided to team with 3DR on a commercial game for an IP neither one owns and they know they can never sell.

It's like a great big fuck you to all Duke fans. We made this cool reloaded game but you can't have it because big bad gearbox says so... oh wait, now you can't have it cause we are focusing on Duke Mass Destruction... oh wait, now you can't have that one either... Please buy ROTT

[MetroidJunkie]

I theorize that they okayed it because they didn't think it would be professional quality. Now that it's good enough to be a threat to them, their first instinct is to swiftly crush it. They should be like Valve and hire the professional grade fans, then they'd help make better Duke games. You'd think products made by a professional company shouldn't have to feel threatened by what fans do it their spare time, welcome to a deteriorating industry.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Drek, on 27 February 2014 - 09:32 AM, said:

We made this cool reloaded game but you can't have it because big bad gearbox says so... oh wait, now you can't have it cause we are focusing on Duke Mass Destruction... oh wait, now you can't have that one either... Please buy ROTT

This has crippled Interceptor right from the very beginning:

Lack of focus.

[Sixty Four]

I will just say Gearbox was right for doing what they did (although i also wish they did not sue and let Duke release). In example, what do you think would happen if 3D Realms woke up tomorrow saying we are going to make the next Max Payne without consent of Rockstar. I would think right away Rockstar isn't going to have that. But don't get me wrong i love 3DR i think they are the ones who created Duke of course they want to make more! it's a bit understandable. What Interceptor has brought to the table has proven to me, they can get a job done. Rise of the Triad isn't the best game but it surely is better then a lot of the fps games i have played as a Duke fan. It's a matter of funding i suppose, Interceptor you guys have room to grow and become something bigger as a new company and all, you have an upper hand there. Anyways if this game is indeed cancelled and this isn't some publicity stunt (which if it was that's grimy to do to the Duke fans who have already waited many years for Duke already) then Gearbox needs to step up and take responsibility for Duke Nukem or the continued hate will just grow from sections of the community. I myself don't really have anything against Gearbox, without them there would have been no DNF. Which you might say is fine with you, but really i'm sure glad that i don't have to say damn its been almost 18 years since a new Duke. So Gearbox if you shut a Duke game down then you need to get busy.

[Outtagum]

Kathy, on 27 February 2014 - 03:25 AM, said:

I miss the old days of DNF never being finished. It was the best game nobody played.

Now Duke Nukem Reloaded is the best game nobody played.


Yeesh... tough crowd. I guess I should have used a SarcMark.

[necroslut]

Drek, on 27 February 2014 - 09:32 AM, said:

Whatever happened to this DN:Reloaded green light from gearbox back in July. They got the go ahead to release the Duke game that Gearbox canceled (as long as it's free), instead they decided to team with 3DR on a commercial game for an IP neither one owns and they know they can never sell.

It's like a great big fuck you to all Duke fans. We made this cool reloaded game but you can't have it because big bad gearbox says so... oh wait, now you can't have it cause we are focusing on Duke Mass Destruction... oh wait, now you can't have that one either... Please buy ROTT

Reloaded was never finished, a "greenlight" means very little when there is no finished game to release and no resources to work on it.

MetroidJunkie, on 27 February 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

I theorize that they okayed it because they didn't think it would be professional quality. Now that it's good enough to be a threat to them, their first instinct is to swiftly crush it. They should be like Valve and hire the professional grade fans, then they'd help make better Duke games. You'd think products made by a professional company shouldn't have to feel threatened by what fans do it their spare time, welcome to a deteriorating industry.

You both seem to have missed that 3DR has SOME rights to Duke Nukem. They didn't just decide "fuck it - we'll make another Duke game anyway", they never intended to "make a game they couldn't release". However Gearbox claims Mass Destruction isn't one of those games 3DR had the right to make.
Most comments on the net seem to have missed this quite important bit of info... Also, we've only heard what Gearbox had to say about this, not the other side.

[HulkNukem]

necroslut, on 27 February 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Reloaded was never finished, a "greenlight" means very little when there is no finished game to release and no resources to work on it.

You both seem to have missed that 3DR has SOME rights to Duke Nukem. They didn't just decide "fuck it - we'll make another Duke game anyway", they never intended to "make a game they couldn't release". However Gearbox claims Mass Destruction isn't one of those games 3DR had the right to make.
Most comments on the net seem to have missed this quite important bit of info... Also, we've only heard what Gearbox had to say about this, not the other side.

However, 3DRealms also quickly apologized for it and said they realize their wrongdoing... and then the website went back up online.
Nothing is easy with Duke

[necroslut]

We'll see how things unfold eventually.

[Kathy]

Zor, on 27 February 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

Now Duke Nukem Reloaded is the best game nobody played.

[The Commander]

[Outtagum]

Kathy, on 27 February 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

[Kyanos]

necroslut, on 27 February 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Reloaded was never finished, a "greenlight" means very little when there is no finished game to release and no resources to work on it.

There never was any resources to work on it to begin with. It was a free fan game. They obviously made it just to get noticed and build a name for themselves. Shame on them for using Duke the way they did.

And now they pull more shenanigans: Interceptors idea of PR "Let's pretend to make another Duke game so people will keep talking about us."





PS...
I found some Mass Destruction Alpha Shots

[ReaperMan]

Drek, on 27 February 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

And now they pull more shenanigans: Interceptors idea of PR "Let's pretend to make another Duke game so people will keep talking about us."

Actually its more like "Let's pretend to remake an old classic FPS so people will keep talking about us."

Not strictly talking about all the guys at Interceptor here... but Frederik Schreiber has a track record of trying to constantly remake Classic FPS titles.... including Sin, Diakatana, Duke Nukem 3D, ROTT and who know what else. ROTT 2013 wasn't a bad game, in fact it was a valiant effort, but my gawd please stop remaking every classic FPS known to man just to get attention. Make your own damn IP.

[Kyanos]

Steveeeie, on 07 August 2013 - 04:00 AM, said:

Necroslut always down votes comments in duke nukem reloaded threads.

I don't think I have ever tried rocky road ice cream :S

Rocky road ice cream is the shit man! You've been missing out.

[Micky C]

If you had the opportunity, would you work on a full game for free, or to be paid? Of course interceptor aren't going to work on reloaded while they can get actual money to do other stuff.

Reloaded probably wouldn't have been that good anyway.

[Kyanos]

Micky C, on 27 February 2014 - 11:54 PM, said:

If you had the opportunity, would you work on a full game for free, or to be paid? Of course interceptor aren't going to work on reloaded while they can get actual money to do other stuff.

Reloaded probably wouldn't have been that good anyway.

Your argument has some rather large holes. My point is about being true to ones word and doing what you say you will do. I never started a company and told the world I would make a free game, I don't have a website up advertising said game. What I would do here is not really relevant. That said, if I were interceptor, I would finish up reloaded, now and to the best of my ability. Then release it for free.

Quote

"With a team of over 30 people dedicating their own time to the success of Duke Nukem 3D: Reloaded, you can rest assured that Duke will go boot-to-toe with the best of them."

That is a quote from today, not months ago, or years ago. That right there is what they tell the public who visit their site.

Not to mention this misleading shit on their projects page. It looks like Reloaded is done and you can buy it on steam.


Now I'm done talking about them as I'm playing right into their hand... Doh.

[MetroidJunkie]

necroslut, on 27 February 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Reloaded was never finished, a "greenlight" means very little when there is no finished game to release and no resources to work on it.

You both seem to have missed that 3DR has SOME rights to Duke Nukem. They didn't just decide "fuck it - we'll make another Duke game anyway", they never intended to "make a game they couldn't release". However Gearbox claims Mass Destruction isn't one of those games 3DR had the right to make.
Most comments on the net seem to have missed this quite important bit of info... Also, we've only heard what Gearbox had to say about this, not the other side.

I was referring to Reloaded, not Mass Destruction. Didn't the fans who were working on Reloaded get Gearbox's approval before they decided it was too much of a threat?

[-Rhetro-]

MetroidJunkie, on 28 February 2014 - 10:44 AM, said:

I was referring to Reloaded, not Mass Destruction. Didn't the fans who were working on Reloaded get Gearbox's approval before they decided it was too much of a threat?

I think by this point in time it should be obvious to whoever wants to take on making a new Duke game, that things need to be done behind the scenes and through private messages etc.

There is enough evidence based only on this community that doing things privately is the only way to do it.

Micky C, I do think that people would take on a project for free, a labor of love. But it wouldn't be their only form of income. I think there are people out there with the resources, time and money to do it. Atleast that is what I choose to believe.

Here is the trick, ITS LIKE SNEAKING COOKIES SO YOUR MOM DOESNT FIND OUT. You don't go to your mom (GBX) and ask for the cookies before dinner (the one your mom will make), if you want the cookies and desire them then you must do it so that your mom (GBX) will never know. Then you can never leave any evidence so as to when the cookies (Duke Game) is discovered, there will be no proof you did it, maybe it was your dad, your sister or whoever.

Get my point?

Hopefully this lawsuit will be over with in a timely fashion .

[Micky C]

-Rhetro-, on 28 February 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

I think by this point in time it should be obvious to whoever wants to take on making a new Duke game, that things need to be done behind the scenes and through private messages etc.

There is enough evidence based only on this community that doing things privately is the only way to do it.

Micky C, I do think that people would take on a project for free, a labor of love. But it wouldn't be their only form of income. I think there are people out there with the resources, time and money to do it. Atleast that is what I choose to believe.

Here is the trick, ITS LIKE SNEAKING COOKIES SO YOUR MOM DOESNT FIND OUT. You don't go to your mom (GBX) and ask for the cookies before dinner (the one your mom will make), if you want the cookies and desire them then you must do it so that your mom (GBX) will never know. Then you can never leave any evidence so as to when the cookies (Duke Game) is discovered, there will be no proof you did it, maybe it was your dad, your sister or whoever.

Get my point?

Hopefully this lawsuit will be over with in a timely fashion .

Yeah, there may be people doing this right now. And of course there are loads of people working on free mods all the time. I'm not denying that Interceptor needs to get their act together, I'm just saying that circumstances are different now to what they were back then. Now they're an established development studio, and any time they spend on reloaded (a free game) is time actively not spent on whatever their current game(s) is. They did screw up, but IMO it's a little unreasonable to expect them to work on reloaded after all this, especially when we don't know the intricacies of the contact involved (yes I know Inteceptor apparently has the green light now but I still think there's a lot of politics beneath the surface).

[Mike Norvak]

Quote my self...

Mike Norvak, on 24 February 2014 - 02:21 AM, said:

• Gearbox is the owner of the Duke Nukem IP, no one other than Gearbox can make whatever they want with the franchise (future games)
  
• Anyone willing to make a whole new game/mod based on Duke Nukem IP on any engine other than Build / (Prism3D, etc) without the permission of Gearbox must work quietly with no announcement and then release it (for free). Getting a lawsuit. Then dissapear.
  
• Anyone willing to make a whole new game/mod based on Duke Nukem IP on any engine other than Build / (Prism3D, etc) without the permission of Gearbox and not working quietly, even announcing it before release, is either incredibly naive or is looking to become a false martyr.
  
  
• Anyone willing to make a whole new game/mod based on Duke Nukem IP on any engine [...], but still wants to release the game withtout any lawsuit, must develop a brandt new IP spiritually based on Duke Nukem, and go ahead...

You can downvote me, but I really think there's nothing to talk about, until something is already released/officially not released. Just a waste of time...