[NightFright]

Hendricks266, on 22 September 2014 - 08:05 AM, said:

This would cause a noob storm. Tards cannot understand the command line. [...]

I have already written a launcher in VB for that (for private purposes). Even a monkey can use it. Problem is it's just for Windows users.

[Hendricks266]

Never release that publicly, thanks.

The Elite Duke Force, on 22 September 2014 - 08:41 AM, said:

when it comes down to Meltdown, im going to play how it was made to be played no mods and no hrp not fan of hrp stuff no efence to the makers of it

This guy knows what's up.

MetHy, on 22 September 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

The only way to play it how it was made to be played is on a PS1 on a CRT TV. The point of the mod is not to play it the way it was meant to.

Don't troll innocent people on Duke4.

[JoJo the Idiot Circus Boy]

I keep that in mind

[Mav3r1ck]

Thats kinda how I feel, to play the TM mod as classic and as a retro as it was on PS1 but instead on PC.

[JoJo the Idiot Circus Boy]

there is alot of good things about PC Port it clean up, better controller support, Plus Online,

[Fox]

Now tiles use the real x-y offsets from the PMP data. If you have played the game before, you should remember this:

[Mav3r1ck]

That's what happened when the Cyberkeef launched motars at the player and it would crouch down every time it did.

[Joshua]

I remember the cyberkeef doing that. It would also crouch when it fired its chaingun.

[Mr. Nukem Roses]

i found it weird how the CyberKeef did things like shoot his minigun or launch motars at ya

[Micky C]

Dear god, was that intentional in the original?

[Fox]

No.

[Mav3r1ck]

Micky C, on 03 October 2014 - 10:53 PM, said:

Dear god, was that intentional in the original?

No, the PSX version was really buggy and that was one of the bugs with the Cyberkeef. When the TM mod that Fox has made is released, it won't have those bugs and the Cyberkeef will act the way it was suppose to.

[Fox]

It will have that sort of bug. I only fixed some technical problems.

[Jblade]

So we'll need a seperate patch to fix bugs that you've decided to re-add into this version?

[TerminX]

I can't say anything about this mod version, but the one on Android certainly won't have those kinds of bugs (it doesn't try to be the 1:1 recreation of flaws attempted here).

[Fox]

I am ok with it, it's not as bad as the Freezethrower sprite being misaligned.

[Mav3r1ck]

Fox, on 04 October 2014 - 09:59 AM, said:

It will have that sort of bug. I only fixed some technical problems.

But what's the point? Are you trying to keep the "atmosphere" and "feel" of Total Meltdown. I'm not trying to be rude or anything but I'm just curious. Because I did see that in your Eduke video of the Ministry of Fear, that you did in fact fix the Cyberkeef.

[Paul B]

Honestly, I can't imagine trying to play Duke 3D using a D-pad joystick on a console. It would take the fun right out of the game. The game needs to be played with a mouse like every other FPS. Maybe i've been around a PC too long but until they come out with mouse support for different platforms I won't be playing another way.

I think by now the entire Duke 3D game could probably run out of a web-browser if they really wanted to, making it OS independent.... Duke 3D Chrome Edition! Sounds good to me, I'm sure that Google Chrome Icon can easily be reworked into a Nuke Meltdown Icon. =)

[Fox]

Mav3r1ck, on 04 October 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

But what's the point? Are you trying to keep the "atmosphere" and "feel" of Total Meltdown. I'm not trying to be rude or anything but I'm just curious. Because I did see that in your Eduke video of the Ministry of Fear, that you did in fact fix the Cyberkeef.

I didn't have the offsets at that point.

[Jblade]

TerminX, on 04 October 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

I can't say anything about this mod version, but the one on Android certainly won't have those kinds of bugs (it doesn't try to be the 1:1 recreation of flaws attempted here).

Dumb question but will that version be playable on the PC as well? (Yeah I live in the stone ages as far as tablets and phones are concerned, mine still has a number pad) Because I expect your one will be released earlier and won't have pointless glitches recreated for no reason.

[Nukey]

The original version of this game that was stamped to compact disc and distributed back in 1997 is the stone tablet for this mod.

The work of extracting and implementing the data as it exists in the original game is not "recreating pointless glitches". It is establishing ground zero on a more flexible platform.

[Jblade]

Yes it is, recreating a misaligned sprite is a waste of time and effort. It's your mod so do what you want but don't start talking about 'being faithful' to the original when you're spending time remaking glitches that just take you out of the product. I played the PSX version, it was my first version of Duke, and things like that are not what I remember about playing it. TX has said that he's not interested in adding such glitches into the Android version so I'm just asking him when that version is going to be done, because I want to play the PSX port levels with the benefits of the PC version and with a decent framerate.

[NNC]

This thing went terribly wrong during these months of wait.

[Nukey]

Jblade said:

Yes it is, recreating a misaligned sprite is a waste of time and effort.

It could not possibly be any less effort. It's the way they exist by default.

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It's your mod so do what you want

I provide the assets, but I don't have too much involvement with the mod itself.

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don't start talking about 'being faithful' to the original when you're spending time remaking glitches that just take you out of the product.

I have not spent any of my time remaking glitches. I am spending my time reverse-engineering the raw data. If the data happens to be corrupt, so be it.

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TX has said that he's not interested in adding such glitches into the Android version

The Android version is being sourced from exactly the same data. No glitches are being added to the mod either. It would be more accurate to say some of them will not be removed. It's up to Fox, really... I'm not sure what his plans are.

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I played the PSX version, it was my first version of Duke, and things like that are not what I remember about playing it. TX has said that he's not interested in adding such glitches into the Android version so I'm just asking him when that version is going to be done, because I want to play the PSX port levels with the benefits of the PC version and with a decent framerate.

Sounds reasonable.

I agree with you that glitches should be rectified in an enhanced version. I just don't believe the core version should deviate from the original game, where it's possible to avoid doing so.

[Jblade]

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It could not possibly be any less effort. It's the way they exist by default.

Sorry I assumed Fox was hand adjusting the tiles to match the offsets even if it was an error. If you found a way to dump them straight to an art file, offsets and all, than I take back what I said.

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I agree with you that glitches should be rectified in an enhanced version. I just don't believe the core version should deviate from the original game, where it's possible to avoid doing so.

I can appreciate that as far as gameplay is concerned but I never felt art glitches and oversights should be considered part of the core game. However I understand some people want to recreate things 100% accurately, I don't feel that's productive but our priorities are in different places so I understand your view point. I still feel it would of been in the communities' best interest to release the files to everybody rather than to a few people to do what they will with it (unless you've been in contact with the original devs of the game and have a specific license, in which case disregard that)

[Nukey]

Jblade, on 05 October 2014 - 06:49 AM, said:

I still feel it would of been in the communities' best interest to release the files to everybody rather than to a few people to do what they will with it

I fully agree with you on this point. I've been ready and willing to fire off the PSX maps into the public since the moment I knew the extracted data was pure.

[Hendricks266]

Jblade, on 05 October 2014 - 06:49 AM, said:

I still feel it would of been in the communities' best interest to release the files to everybody rather than to a few people to do what they will with it

[Jblade]

I've still got the PSX copy of Duke right here and an emulator set up, so playing it would be no hassle for me

[Fox]

For fuck's sake, they could have used the gun sprites in the same position. Finding the correct placement for the Chaingun muzzle flash was a pain, but possible since I have read the source code for it a while ago.

Edit: Weapon cut in the bottom. "Ugh this sucks."

[Mr. Nukem Roses]

Fox, on 12 November 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

For fuck's sake, they could have used the gun sprites in the same position. Finding the correct placement for the Chaingun muzzle flash was a pain, but possible since I have read the source code for it a while ago.

Edit: Weapon cut in the bottom. "Ugh this sucks."

that's the 1st time i ever seen the RPG messed up somehow. the handle looks like something from GBA or SNES