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#32 Posted 11 June 2013 - 01:39 AM
Ahhhh, I remember IBM keyboards. With the metal backs and the clacky keys. I loved them. My wife hated them as you could hear them all over the house and I used to keep everyone awake at night if I stayed up on the PC.
I know a lot of systems got shipped with Biostar, and though they don't get any performance awards, a lot of system builders used them as they were 'Cheap and cheerfull' as they say over here, which basically means that it's not too advanced, but it 'just works'. I remember the PC Chips plastic chips. I also remember buying a floating point co-pro for my 386
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The strangest experience I have ever had at a PC shop was when I went for a job at one in the wilds of Florida. It was this little shop outside of Orlando. This guy who was the local guru asked me which processor I preferred. I told him that Intel had the better performance, but that AMD gave you more bang for your buck. His eyes lit up like a Sunday afternoon revivalist and I got a 20 minute lecture on how superior the arctitecture of AMD chips were in comparison to Intel's 'monstrosities'. After this he spoke up to this guy who was supposed to be a sales person but you could just tell he had no technical background. I got this distinct vibe of 'lackey' from him, which was very strange. I think Guru guy actually said to him "Mr. Tea Monster is leaving us now". The 'minion' escorted me to the door with this smug superior air about him. He reeked of "He got told". Shit weird.
Oddly enough, this didn't put me off AMD chips at all, and I used them till recently when I could convince myself that I could afford to upgrade to a faster intel system.
I know a lot of systems got shipped with Biostar, and though they don't get any performance awards, a lot of system builders used them as they were 'Cheap and cheerfull' as they say over here, which basically means that it's not too advanced, but it 'just works'. I remember the PC Chips plastic chips. I also remember buying a floating point co-pro for my 386
.The strangest experience I have ever had at a PC shop was when I went for a job at one in the wilds of Florida. It was this little shop outside of Orlando. This guy who was the local guru asked me which processor I preferred. I told him that Intel had the better performance, but that AMD gave you more bang for your buck. His eyes lit up like a Sunday afternoon revivalist and I got a 20 minute lecture on how superior the arctitecture of AMD chips were in comparison to Intel's 'monstrosities'. After this he spoke up to this guy who was supposed to be a sales person but you could just tell he had no technical background. I got this distinct vibe of 'lackey' from him, which was very strange. I think Guru guy actually said to him "Mr. Tea Monster is leaving us now". The 'minion' escorted me to the door with this smug superior air about him. He reeked of "He got told". Shit weird.
Oddly enough, this didn't put me off AMD chips at all, and I used them till recently when I could convince myself that I could afford to upgrade to a faster intel system.
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#33 Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:10 AM
Fanboys are fucking retards. I love people who have brand loyalty to Taiwanese companies with a 20 year history of terrible end user support. Biostar is the only company who's impressed me so far, oh man, I straight up love Gigabyte's products but I've had two REALLY bad experiences with them. Like this one time, it took them FOUR MONTHS to mail me a replacement BIOS chip, and I had to send a board that wouldn't POST back to them TWICE and I was just fucked on that one.
Oh, and I use a Model M. I love it. I got it refurbished for $50 off of eBay by a guy who only deals in Model M's. It still looks and feels brand new, and it was built in '91. Everyone I know loves it. Except for my brother, who thinks the "keys are too hard to press," because he's a fucking pussy. Those Cherry switches are waaaayyyy too light...
Oh, and I use a Model M. I love it. I got it refurbished for $50 off of eBay by a guy who only deals in Model M's. It still looks and feels brand new, and it was built in '91. Everyone I know loves it. Except for my brother, who thinks the "keys are too hard to press," because he's a fucking pussy. Those Cherry switches are waaaayyyy too light...
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#34 Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:02 AM
Weird that you've had such poor experiences with Gigabyte support... I once sent a board in with a physically damaged trace, and they emailed me to say that they should have just voided the warranty but that someone there thought they could fix it. They did fix it, by hand, and sent me the same board back in working order. I was really impressed.
I live in Arkansas now btw.
I live in Arkansas now btw.
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#35 Posted 11 June 2013 - 03:21 PM
i might have come up with a possible solution for a little bit of funds towards my upgrade project
going to my parents in a week for vacation. while i'm there i can grab all my shit from when i was a young out of their attic and put it on one of those ebay sites
i might not get much, but it'll be a start. there's probably somebody out there that collects star wars toys and dungeons & dragons books among other kids things from the late 70s - early 80s.
's irritating that nearly all the 95w amd processors on newegg & tiger are athlon. i'm looking to get a phenom
going to my parents in a week for vacation. while i'm there i can grab all my shit from when i was a young out of their attic and put it on one of those ebay sites
i might not get much, but it'll be a start. there's probably somebody out there that collects star wars toys and dungeons & dragons books among other kids things from the late 70s - early 80s.
's irritating that nearly all the 95w amd processors on newegg & tiger are athlon. i'm looking to get a phenom
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#37 Posted 11 June 2013 - 04:18 PM
figures
the best two available are
Phenom II X4 945
Athlon II X4 640
they're practically the same chip & cost about the same, but the phenom has L3 cache out of the box
supposedly the athlon II X4 has L3 cache that's unlockable
from what i can find the phenom 945 is not unlockable (no additional cores)
the best two available are
Phenom II X4 945
Athlon II X4 640
they're practically the same chip & cost about the same, but the phenom has L3 cache out of the box
supposedly the athlon II X4 has L3 cache that's unlockable
from what i can find the phenom 945 is not unlockable (no additional cores)
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#38 Posted 11 June 2013 - 05:24 PM
TerminX, on 11 June 2013 - 09:02 AM, said:
I live in Arkansas now btw.
Oh my God...Why would you move from California to Arkansas?
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#39 Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:11 PM
imported for fresh genetic material
(& he has the nicest teeth in the state)
(& he has the nicest teeth in the state)
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#40 Posted 12 June 2013 - 02:09 AM
That's nothing, I've moved from Florida to the North of England. I've stopped telling people as all they say is "Why the hell did you do that?".
If you need cheap hardware, you can try the local thrift and goodwill stores and garage sales. It won't be new kit, but I've found a few bargains there. The other thing, if you are not too proud, is people leaving old kit by the side of the road for collection. I was staying with a friend of mine from High School and he took the trash out. He shouted me out to the dumpster and said "Is any of this good for you?" Someone had left a P75 server tower and a parallel scanner by the side of the dumpster. The P75 wasn't much use (I love dissecting old PC's anyway, so I got some fun from it), but the tower case with its PSU housed my K6 processor till I upgraded and I got several years use from the scanner, so pretty good for no outlay at all!
If you need cheap hardware, you can try the local thrift and goodwill stores and garage sales. It won't be new kit, but I've found a few bargains there. The other thing, if you are not too proud, is people leaving old kit by the side of the road for collection. I was staying with a friend of mine from High School and he took the trash out. He shouted me out to the dumpster and said "Is any of this good for you?" Someone had left a P75 server tower and a parallel scanner by the side of the dumpster. The P75 wasn't much use (I love dissecting old PC's anyway, so I got some fun from it), but the tower case with its PSU housed my K6 processor till I upgraded and I got several years use from the scanner, so pretty good for no outlay at all!
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#41 Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:41 AM
not too proud, but probably not happening in this state. Washington is anal retentive when it comes to recycling and properly disposing of old electronics.
the reclamation center is at the goodwill, and believe me, if i lived closer i'd hang out at their back door to see what people were tossing out & offer them a couple bucks to scavenge parts.
i don't know the exact nature of their policy, but the goodwill and thrift shops don't put computers out on their shelves - all of it gets sent in for recycling. (i suspect they get more $ from the state than they would if they retailed it)
this backwoods town got hit pretty hard with the recession, alot of specialty shops closed their doors and the place still hasn't shown any signs of recovery.
my best bet would be to scour pawn shops and maybe get lucky
the reclamation center is at the goodwill, and believe me, if i lived closer i'd hang out at their back door to see what people were tossing out & offer them a couple bucks to scavenge parts.
i don't know the exact nature of their policy, but the goodwill and thrift shops don't put computers out on their shelves - all of it gets sent in for recycling. (i suspect they get more $ from the state than they would if they retailed it)
this backwoods town got hit pretty hard with the recession, alot of specialty shops closed their doors and the place still hasn't shown any signs of recovery.
my best bet would be to scour pawn shops and maybe get lucky
This post has been edited by Forge: 12 June 2013 - 06:44 AM
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#42 Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:34 AM
Shit, that sucks. Try garage sales then. People often just want to get rid of old kit and will sell relatively recent stuff for pocket change. Also, ask friends if their workplaces are upgrading. Sometimes they will get rid of old hardware to people they know.
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#43 Posted 12 June 2013 - 07:05 AM
it's a good idea. yard sales are infrequent when dealing with a bunch of dairy farmers and lumberjacks. mostly happen when someone is moving, but i usually see a sign or two every other month or so. i'll keep my eyes open.
still have to raise some $ first, then the hard part will be convincing the backwoods redneck cow molesters and tree jockeys that their magic hillbilly voodoo box isn't worth as much as they think
still have to raise some $ first, then the hard part will be convincing the backwoods redneck cow molesters and tree jockeys that their magic hillbilly voodoo box isn't worth as much as they think
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#44 Posted 12 June 2013 - 07:45 AM
No matter how small a place it is it will have a bank or a police station or a local hospital full of pcs. If you find out who services them you can give them a call and find out where they dispose of old kit. Hell if it's that small a place you may just talk yourself into a job then you'll be getting your kit from new egg ;-)
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#45 Posted 15 August 2013 - 12:44 PM
so i sold some crap and acquired the funds to make a few computer upgrades
(still bottlenecking with the 9800 gtx+, but when i can sell more items i'm looking to grab a gtx 650 ti 2gb - around $150 for a decent bottom line model)
processor AMD phenom II x2 560 black 3.3 (bout the best this mobo can handle since it only has a 95w AM3 socket)
unlocked to an X4
16gb ddr3 1600 ram
now i have overclock questions for the gurus
which is better (i'm not interested in messing with voltages):
CPU Core Multiplier set to: 17x
HT Ref Clock set to: 220
results:
CPU core speed: 3740 MHz
HT Link Speed: 2200 MHz
Memory Frequency: 880MHz
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CPU Core Multiplier set to: 18x
HT Ref Clock set to: 210
results:
CPU core speed: 3780 MHz
HT Link Speed: 2100 MHz
Memory Frequency: 840MHz
these are the two mid-range settings off stock that are stable
basically raising the multiplier means i have to drop the ref clock - anything over 18x i have to drop the ref clk to 200 (stock ht link of 2000MHZ & mem freq of 800MHz)
it speeds up the processor, but drops the ram frequency
as a side note, running the memory frequency over 800 MHZ requires that i have the ram latency at 11-11-11-28. if i drop it down to 800Mhz i can up it to 9-9-9-27
(still bottlenecking with the 9800 gtx+, but when i can sell more items i'm looking to grab a gtx 650 ti 2gb - around $150 for a decent bottom line model)
processor AMD phenom II x2 560 black 3.3 (bout the best this mobo can handle since it only has a 95w AM3 socket)
unlocked to an X4
16gb ddr3 1600 ram
now i have overclock questions for the gurus
which is better (i'm not interested in messing with voltages):
CPU Core Multiplier set to: 17x
HT Ref Clock set to: 220
results:
CPU core speed: 3740 MHz
HT Link Speed: 2200 MHz
Memory Frequency: 880MHz
-or-
CPU Core Multiplier set to: 18x
HT Ref Clock set to: 210
results:
CPU core speed: 3780 MHz
HT Link Speed: 2100 MHz
Memory Frequency: 840MHz
these are the two mid-range settings off stock that are stable
basically raising the multiplier means i have to drop the ref clock - anything over 18x i have to drop the ref clk to 200 (stock ht link of 2000MHZ & mem freq of 800MHz)
it speeds up the processor, but drops the ram frequency
as a side note, running the memory frequency over 800 MHZ requires that i have the ram latency at 11-11-11-28. if i drop it down to 800Mhz i can up it to 9-9-9-27
This post has been edited by Forge: 15 August 2013 - 12:52 PM
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#46 Posted 15 August 2013 - 08:21 PM
Why not unlock the extra cores, run them at 3.0-3.2 and undervolt them a bit? You'll get better results.
I built a system with a Phenom II X4 820 a while back. 2.8GHz, 95W, and they go far at stock voltage. I got it up to 3.2.
Match the 820 voltage, unlock the cores, run it at 2.8 and Prime95 it overnight. If it passes, the cores are good, and from there you can start boosting it.
The 820, unlike the 830, has L3 cache. AMD says it's 4MB but they lie, it has the full 6MB. So getting your chip to run in a 95W board shouldn't be too hard with all four cores.
I built a system with a Phenom II X4 820 a while back. 2.8GHz, 95W, and they go far at stock voltage. I got it up to 3.2.
Match the 820 voltage, unlock the cores, run it at 2.8 and Prime95 it overnight. If it passes, the cores are good, and from there you can start boosting it.
The 820, unlike the 830, has L3 cache. AMD says it's 4MB but they lie, it has the full 6MB. So getting your chip to run in a 95W board shouldn't be too hard with all four cores.
This post has been edited by Viper The Rapper: 15 August 2013 - 08:26 PM
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#47 Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:19 PM
i did unlock the extra cores.
it's a phenom II x2 chip, but with the cores unlocked cpu-z sees it as a phenom II x4
i burned in the ram and the processor and everything is stable
i used the bios default 10% overclock and the processor still passed burn-in
now i'm seeing if i can get just a bit more without messing with the volts
the stock GHz is 3.3
the bios default 10% overclock puts it at 3.63
adjusting the core multiplier to 17.5x and the Ht Ref Clock to 210, i've put it at 3.675 (there it will stay for awhile)
using 3DMark Vantage cpu specific tests that is the optimal setting. (i went through a plethora of combinations from 16.5x to 19.0x & 200 to 220MHz)
i can easily get the cpu higher (over 4GHz), but performance starts dropping off after 3.675
could be the 450W power supply holding it back
edit: i asked in the first place because i'm delving into things i'm not familiar with, but i got bored/impatient after 8 hours and decided to strike out on my own and figure it out myself. always a good thing
edit2: 3DMark vantage is pretty flakey due to depending on adobe flash and produces errors which "stall" the tests based on that interface. I'll just stick with prime95 for stability and testing.
it's a phenom II x2 chip, but with the cores unlocked cpu-z sees it as a phenom II x4
i burned in the ram and the processor and everything is stable
i used the bios default 10% overclock and the processor still passed burn-in
now i'm seeing if i can get just a bit more without messing with the volts
the stock GHz is 3.3
the bios default 10% overclock puts it at 3.63
adjusting the core multiplier to 17.5x and the Ht Ref Clock to 210, i've put it at 3.675 (there it will stay for awhile)
using 3DMark Vantage cpu specific tests that is the optimal setting. (i went through a plethora of combinations from 16.5x to 19.0x & 200 to 220MHz)
i can easily get the cpu higher (over 4GHz), but performance starts dropping off after 3.675
could be the 450W power supply holding it back
edit: i asked in the first place because i'm delving into things i'm not familiar with, but i got bored/impatient after 8 hours and decided to strike out on my own and figure it out myself. always a good thing
edit2: 3DMark vantage is pretty flakey due to depending on adobe flash and produces errors which "stall" the tests based on that interface. I'll just stick with prime95 for stability and testing.
This post has been edited by Forge: 16 August 2013 - 10:52 AM
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#48 Posted 16 August 2013 - 06:42 PM
ignoring that other stress test program which claims to have cpu specific tests (but i suspect the gpu is part of it since it implements visuals for testing) and based on a one hour AMD stress test and a six hour burn-in using prime95.
the optimal settings without making voltage adjustments:
CPU Core Multiplier set to: 17x
HT Ref Clock set to: 223
results:
CPU core speed: 3791 MHz
HT Link Speed: 2230 MHz
Memory Frequency: 892MHz
when i start matching core speeds with 17.5 & 18.0 multipliers i have to drop ht link speed & mem freq. to the 2100 & 840 range respectively.
raising any of the settings at this point & pushing past 3.8GHz causes instability and BSOD (without boosts in voltage)
the irritating factor at this point is the BIOS. To get over 3.8 requires a boost in CPU VID volts from 1.425 (stock) to 1.525. I can use AMD overdrive to accomplish that, but nothing i do in the BIOS itself seems to adjust it.
I've changed the CPU over voltage setting & the VDDNB overvoltage setting manually to 1.525, but it doesn't effect the CPU VID voltage.
edit: okay talk about the long way around to do things.
stock Vcore voltage:1.52
stock CPU VID volt: 1.425
Sandra report: no CPU VID BIOS adjustment available
upping the CPU VID volt from 1.425 = Vcore 1.62v
setting the CPU Over Voltage in the BIOS to 1.62 (instead of 1.525) = Vcore 1.62v (&CPU VID stayed at 1.425), but with the Vcore at 1.62v the systems lets me boost past 3.8 GHz stably
idle temp went from 37c to 39c average
the optimal settings without making voltage adjustments:
CPU Core Multiplier set to: 17x
HT Ref Clock set to: 223
results:
CPU core speed: 3791 MHz
HT Link Speed: 2230 MHz
Memory Frequency: 892MHz
when i start matching core speeds with 17.5 & 18.0 multipliers i have to drop ht link speed & mem freq. to the 2100 & 840 range respectively.
raising any of the settings at this point & pushing past 3.8GHz causes instability and BSOD (without boosts in voltage)
the irritating factor at this point is the BIOS. To get over 3.8 requires a boost in CPU VID volts from 1.425 (stock) to 1.525. I can use AMD overdrive to accomplish that, but nothing i do in the BIOS itself seems to adjust it.
I've changed the CPU over voltage setting & the VDDNB overvoltage setting manually to 1.525, but it doesn't effect the CPU VID voltage.
edit: okay talk about the long way around to do things.
stock Vcore voltage:1.52
stock CPU VID volt: 1.425
Sandra report: no CPU VID BIOS adjustment available
upping the CPU VID volt from 1.425 = Vcore 1.62v
setting the CPU Over Voltage in the BIOS to 1.62 (instead of 1.525) = Vcore 1.62v (&CPU VID stayed at 1.425), but with the Vcore at 1.62v the systems lets me boost past 3.8 GHz stably
idle temp went from 37c to 39c average
This post has been edited by Forge: 16 August 2013 - 07:23 PM
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#49 Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:43 PM
Running 1.525 on a 95W board is a sure fire way to kill shit.
Your VRM's are screaming rape. My 125W, 4 phase VRM's popped when I ran it at 1.65 by accident. VDrooped like crazy after that.
Your VRM's are screaming rape. My 125W, 4 phase VRM's popped when I ran it at 1.65 by accident. VDrooped like crazy after that.
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#50 Posted 17 August 2013 - 05:34 AM
that's why i'm posting my nonsense here, so those in the know can see the red flags.
the chip has been running at 1.52 core voltage since i installed it and before any overclocking. the temps stay way below 50c under heavy use.
i'll see if the bios lets me undervolt it.....
edit: it does by using the CPU Over voltage, but it's a pain. It's not a 1:1 ratio (i.e. 1.475 does not equal 1.475)
i messed with the AMD Overdrive auto clock to see what it produced. usually these things are pretty conservative, but it's a baseline to start off from.
the program recommends to run the Vcore at 1.6v - sounds like they're trying to get me to severely reduce the life expectancy of the chip so i can give them more money for a new one
edit2: i can see why such high volt settings are recommended. Under load during the prime95 tests there's a nasty Vdroop and it stays low.
@1.6 Vcore the vdroop goes down to 1.5v
@1.5v droop=1.45v
@1.475 (where i've set it) vdroop= 1.41v
while 1.475v Vcore is not under volting, it's comfortable for where i want to be and i can still get OC to 3.7 GHz
(undervolting i could barely get off the stock 3.3 GHz)
do you think setting the loadline calibration to 100% with Vcore @ 1.475v is wise? (default auto setting is 51%)
the chip has been running at 1.52 core voltage since i installed it and before any overclocking. the temps stay way below 50c under heavy use.
i'll see if the bios lets me undervolt it.....
edit: it does by using the CPU Over voltage, but it's a pain. It's not a 1:1 ratio (i.e. 1.475 does not equal 1.475)
i messed with the AMD Overdrive auto clock to see what it produced. usually these things are pretty conservative, but it's a baseline to start off from.
the program recommends to run the Vcore at 1.6v - sounds like they're trying to get me to severely reduce the life expectancy of the chip so i can give them more money for a new one
edit2: i can see why such high volt settings are recommended. Under load during the prime95 tests there's a nasty Vdroop and it stays low.
@1.6 Vcore the vdroop goes down to 1.5v
@1.5v droop=1.45v
@1.475 (where i've set it) vdroop= 1.41v
while 1.475v Vcore is not under volting, it's comfortable for where i want to be and i can still get OC to 3.7 GHz
(undervolting i could barely get off the stock 3.3 GHz)
do you think setting the loadline calibration to 100% with Vcore @ 1.475v is wise? (default auto setting is 51%)
This post has been edited by Forge: 17 August 2013 - 08:39 AM
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#51 Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:26 AM
It really depends on the board. Why not get a better one? I wouldn't recommend doing anything like that on a 95w board.
This post has been edited by Viper The Rapper: 17 August 2013 - 11:28 AM
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#52 Posted 17 August 2013 - 03:39 PM
alright.
just wondering if it would reduce the severe droop and give it a little more stability (i was thinking while sitting at 1.475v it could handle the unload spike - since it wants to defaults to 1.5v if i set the bios to auto)
i would like to upgrade my vid card & psu, but i'm happy with the way this board and chip are performing. (especially since pretty much every game i play is pre-2002)
thanks for all the pointers & keeping me from frying things i can't afford to replace.
just wondering if it would reduce the severe droop and give it a little more stability (i was thinking while sitting at 1.475v it could handle the unload spike - since it wants to defaults to 1.5v if i set the bios to auto)
i would like to upgrade my vid card & psu, but i'm happy with the way this board and chip are performing. (especially since pretty much every game i play is pre-2002)
thanks for all the pointers & keeping me from frying things i can't afford to replace.
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#53 Posted 17 August 2013 - 03:53 PM
You wouldn't be poor if you fought for Mikkonomics: The Science of Parroting Right Wing Blogspam.
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#54 Posted 25 August 2013 - 01:47 PM
Viper The Rapper, on 17 August 2013 - 11:26 AM, said:
It really depends on the board. Why not get a better one? I wouldn't recommend doing anything like that on a 95w board.
if i got a new board the requirements would be:
mATX
4x240 ddr3
AM3+
North bridge over AMD800
i'd prefer 32gb memory, but 16gb would be fine (as long as it has four slots)
which do you recommend (or is there something else)?
current board 16gb max ram (4 slots), max chip supported = Phenom II X6 1100T
Asrock 890GM Pro3 R2.0 max chip supported = FX-8150, 32gb ram
Asus M5A88-M max chip supported = FX-8350, 16gb ram
ASRock 880GMH/U3S3 FX-8350 max chip supported = FX-8150, 32gb ram
GIGABYTE GA-880GM-USB3 max chip supported = FX-8120, 16gb ram
then there's this AMD 760G AM3+ board:
ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 max chip supported =FX-8350, 32gb ram
^this board seems better than all the 800G northbridge boards
i put them in order of what i think would be best, but lately ASUS seems the most durable out of the ones i listed (it has vrm protection, but i'd still add heat-sinks)
This post has been edited by Forge: 25 August 2013 - 07:09 PM
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#55 Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:45 AM
more notes to myself
the 800G boards are hard to come by and seem to be made of gold for the price that's being asked for them
more realistic boards:
ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 (2,600 FSB, 2,000 (oc) ddr3)
GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-USB3 (2,200 FSB, 1333+ (oc) ddr3)
MSI 760GM-E51 (FX) (1,300 FSB, 1333 ddr3)
all boards support 32gb ram, FX-8350 cpu, and are 4+1 phase
the 800G boards are hard to come by and seem to be made of gold for the price that's being asked for them
more realistic boards:
ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 (2,600 FSB, 2,000 (oc) ddr3)
GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-USB3 (2,200 FSB, 1333+ (oc) ddr3)
MSI 760GM-E51 (FX) (1,300 FSB, 1333 ddr3)
all boards support 32gb ram, FX-8350 cpu, and are 4+1 phase
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#56 Posted 26 August 2013 - 03:26 PM
Why does it have to be mATX? Cost or case size?
This post has been edited by Viper The Rapper: 26 August 2013 - 03:27 PM
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#57 Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:20 PM
i know i can't get a 900G board unless i go full ATX
trying to stay with the current case i have (i know there are cheap ones to be had), but i like the size, features, and ports this one has.
plus it's like souping up an old ford pinto - looks like crap, but has an unexpected powerhouse under the hood
i don't need the latest and greatest an FX 8350 and 32gb of ram will be more than enough power for what i do and still relevant for the next few years
trying to stay with the current case i have (i know there are cheap ones to be had), but i like the size, features, and ports this one has.
plus it's like souping up an old ford pinto - looks like crap, but has an unexpected powerhouse under the hood
i don't need the latest and greatest an FX 8350 and 32gb of ram will be more than enough power for what i do and still relevant for the next few years
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#58 Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:47 PM
I wouldn't call an FX 8350 "great." I can't find anything worth buying in mATX. Just replace the case. If you live near a Micro Center they usually sell the Diablotek Evo for $38, I've used it personally and it's a very nice case, especially for the price. It includes four fans, it's built well (More like a $60 case) and it has good airflow.
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#59 Posted 03 September 2013 - 08:40 AM
if i get the funds, which board?
these are probably the most realistic for what i can afford:
ASRock 990FX Extreme4
140w 8+2 phase count
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
140w 8+2 phase count
these would be nice, but probably unattainable anytime soon:
GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD5
140w 8+2 phase count DrMosfet transistors
MSI 990FXA-GD80 V2
220w 8+2 phase count DrMos transistors
ASUS is out. good product but it seems only R2.0 boards are readily available and they removed core unlocking from their UEFI styled bios
i've read that gigabyte quality is slipping while asrock is getting better. msi is somewhere in between (i know your feelings about msi, but supposedly this board has a better vrm than their earlier crap - so try to be impartial)
these are probably the most realistic for what i can afford:
ASRock 990FX Extreme4
140w 8+2 phase count
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
140w 8+2 phase count
these would be nice, but probably unattainable anytime soon:
GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD5
140w 8+2 phase count DrMosfet transistors
MSI 990FXA-GD80 V2
220w 8+2 phase count DrMos transistors
ASUS is out. good product but it seems only R2.0 boards are readily available and they removed core unlocking from their UEFI styled bios
i've read that gigabyte quality is slipping while asrock is getting better. msi is somewhere in between (i know your feelings about msi, but supposedly this board has a better vrm than their earlier crap - so try to be impartial)
This post has been edited by Forge: 03 September 2013 - 08:53 AM
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#60 Posted 03 September 2013 - 09:10 AM
The Extreme4 has issues with Zambezi (Piledriver) chips. At least it used to.
My friend used the GA-990FXA-UD3 in a build for his dad. Micro Center gave us an 8350 by accident so they billed us for an 8320. Less than $200 for both, and it hauls.
I'm pretty sure that's the board he got. I'd go with the Gigabyte myself.
My friend used the GA-990FXA-UD3 in a build for his dad. Micro Center gave us an 8350 by accident so they billed us for an 8320. Less than $200 for both, and it hauls.
I'm pretty sure that's the board he got. I'd go with the Gigabyte myself.
