[Alan]

[Kathy]

486DX2, on 02 April 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

I'm listening to The fucking Wall right now...that's a song that says something.

It says something because it has lyrics?

[Person of Color]

Still deeper than any dance song ever.
P.S.: BEST NIGHTS SLEEP EVER.

[Zaxtor]

Ellen Foley - Young lust (1979)
Female singer that was with Meatloaf.

[Lunick]

http://laurashigihar...bies-soundtrack

[Alan]

[Mikko]

Cathy, on 23 March 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

Then why do you think people put down dance music?

Probably for the same reason some people initially put down rock 'n' roll or anything done with an electric guitar. Of course these prejudices against dance music are fading in the same way and in a few decades no one will even remember the idiots who thought dance music isn't really music.

Forge, on 23 March 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

here some samples my son made on his ds.

If this is an argument for your claim that anyone could come up with commercial-quality dance music with a computer program in just a few minutes then you have failed. And it's not even close.

486DX2, on 02 April 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

I've done enough drugs to know that druggie music just appeals to a certain tempo/style that feels great on different kinds of substances.

Lol, I'm sure old folks felt exactly the same way about emerging rock music in the '60s.

Besides, isn't The Wall exactly something you'd expect a druggie to listen to while high? Not that I could enjoy it even then.

[CruX]

Mikko_Sandt, on 07 April 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

.Besides, isn't The Wall exactly something you'd expect a druggie to listen to while high? Not that I could enjoy it even then.

Good post right up until this.

[Jimmy]

Mikko_Sandt, on 07 April 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

Probably for the same reason some people initially put down rock 'n' roll or anything done with an electric guitar. Of course these prejudices against dance music are fading in the same way and in a few decades no one will even remember the idiots who thought dance music isn't really music.

I think a few people defended Disco with the same argument. But I think you're right, because people are only getting dumber, not smarter.

Mikko_Sandt, on 07 April 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

Besides, isn't The Wall exactly something you'd expect a druggie to listen to while high? Not that I could enjoy it even then.

I'm straight-edge and I enjoy the Wall on a regular basis.

[Mikko]

JoJo the Idiot Circus Boy, on 07 April 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

But I think you're right, because people are only getting dumber, not smarter.

That's a myth. Not only do people have higher IQs but they know, in general, a lot more than they used to.

[Radar]

Mikko_Sandt, on 07 April 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

Probably for the same reason some people initially put down rock 'n' roll or anything done with an electric guitar. Of course these prejudices against dance music are fading in the same way and in a few decades no one will even remember the idiots who thought dance music isn't really music.

I'm not arguing that dance isn't music, I'm arguing the type of music it is. The level of performance at modern concerts has degraded so much, now being famous involves everything from stage antics to whether the lead female singer was half naked. Is that bad? Depends, but keep things in the correct perspective. The Wall was a very personal album during production. Dance music is based on the sexual innuendos and the club environment it is native to. While I don't want to exaggerate on things, I'll admit that lots of rock music revolves around drugs, but don't bash on The Wall. Pink Floyd is without a doubt somewhere in the top 10 of the most influential musical acts of the past 100 years, and due to their sonic experimentation and advancement in the studio at a time like their own, I'd say you have Pinky to credit for that fact that your dance music has advanced as much as it has. In all honesty, there is some stuff I thought you would even like, like Shine On You Crazy Diamond and The Dark Side of The Moon due to its neat synthesizers and effects.

All in all, my point isn't that dance/techno is crap. My point is: don't bash on The Wall.

And please, Mikko, techno music isn't hard to produce. Do they have Guitar Centers in Finland? Bring home a Korg OASYS and you're a dance professional. Not to mention the fact that I know a few thing about changing keys, tempos, chord progressions, due to my experience as an arranger/composer for a rock band and a brass band. I could fill the bill at any dance concert without a problem, actually being able to add a change in the musical structure instead of just changing the sound that comes out of the synthesizer. Oh wait, the whole reason for the advancement of dance is because of people that have no respect for that anymore.

My main distaste for dance/techno mainly comes from my distaste for digital synthesizers. I'm an analog kind of guy. Though this video is extremely simple, I just love the sound these two little 100% analog boxes produce. If I ever get the money, I'm picking up a Roland Jupiter 4 asap.



EDIT: Just realized I probably sound like a pansy Pink Floyd fanboy. Whatever.

[Person of Color]

Mikko_Sandt, on 07 April 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

Lol, I'm sure old folks felt exactly the same way about emerging rock music in the '60s.

Besides, isn't The Wall exactly something you'd expect a druggie to listen to while high? Not that I could enjoy it even then.

Uhhh, no. I'm 24 and that entire scene is older than I am. And everyone enjoys The Wall.

Speedy Eggbert, on 07 April 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

a great post

This.

[Kathy]

Speedy Eggbert, on 07 April 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

I'm not arguing that dance isn't music, I'm arguing the type of music it is. The level of performance at modern concerts has degraded so much, now being famous involves everything from stage antics to whether the lead female singer was half naked. Is that bad? Depends, but keep things in the correct perspective.

Does performance at concerts even matter in this discussion?

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I'll admit that lots of rock music revolves around drugs, but don't bash on The Wall. Pink Floyd is without a doubt somewhere in the top 10 of the most influential musical acts of the past 100 years, and due to their sonic experimentation and advancement in the studio at a time like their own, I'd say you have Pinky to credit for that fact that your dance music has advanced as much as it has. In all honesty, there is some stuff I thought you would even like, like Shine On You Crazy Diamond and The Dark Side of The Moon due to its neat synthesizers and effects.

I don't see Mikko bashing Pink Floyd. He's bashing The Wall, which was quite different from their previous albums and frankly wasn't anywhere near Moon or Diamond. Some might even say it was crap and I won't try to defend it. I probably won't try to defend Moon, though.

486DX2, on 07 April 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Uhhh, no. I'm 24 and that entire scene is older than I am.

What it had to do with an age?

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And everyone enjoys The Wall.

Not really. And if Waters wanted to record a solo album then perhaps he should have done it without labeling it "Pink Floyd".

[Hank]

from the disco era

[Jimmy]

Mikko_Sandt, on 07 April 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

That's a myth. Not only do people have higher IQs but they know, in general, a lot more than they used to.

It's not a myth. I actually leave my home and interact with people, Mikko.

Cathy, on 07 April 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

Not really. And if Waters wanted to record a solo album then perhaps he should have done it without labeling it "Pink Floyd".

You've seemed to have confused The Wall and The Final Cut. Both of which are fucking marvelous records.

[Kathy]

The Wall was almost wholly written by Waters.

[Jimmy]

The band dug it, though. It wasn't until the Final Cut era that it was pretty much The Roger Waters Project. (And this wasn't some "unknown" fact, the album was actually subtitled "A requiem for the post-war dream by Roger Waters, performed by Pink Floyd") But this isn't uncommon in Pink Floyd history. Piper at the Gates of Dawn was pretty much a Syd Barrett album, and Animals was also practically a Roger Waters album. This is no coindence, the rest of the band weren't as good writers as Waters or Barrett. A Momentary Lapse of Reason is for all intents and purposes a Gilmour solo album as well.

[Kathy]

JoJo the Idiot Circus Boy, on 07 April 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

the rest of the band weren't as good writers as Waters or Barrett.

That's debatable.

Anyway, I prefer when bands have a more ensemble input rather than someone special writing everything. That's the point being a band.

[Jimmy]

It's debatable maybe if you're judging quality, but what rather what I meant is that Waters and Barrett, pre-breakdown, were the most consistent and able to churn out material. The rest of the band usually ended up getting writer's block and ended up contributing less and less.

[Radar]

Cathy, on 07 April 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

The Wall was almost wholly written by Waters.

How is that anything unordinary after Syd Barrett?

And let's not forget Gilmour here. Sure Waters wrote all the melodies, but Gilmour made up all his own solo breaks which have arguably become the most cared for parts of any Floydian piece.

[Lunick]

Anodyne Soundtrack http://seagaia.bandcamp.com/

[Forge]

Mikko_Sandt, on 07 April 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

If this is an argument for your claim that anyone could come up with commercial-quality dance music with a computer program in just a few minutes then you have failed. And it's not even close.

you're still on that? must be a thorn.

i posted those samples because someone suggested it, not as some kind of ammo for a lame argument that's going nowhere but in circles since it's based on taste, preference & comparing physical instruments vs. a set of programmed wav files

edit: here, i'll throw you a bone so you feel like you got a "win". i exaggerated on the simplicity of composing with a computer and i should have never brought up somebody who is "intangible" to the discussion

if you're bored go demonstrate your superiority over the common man against "speedy eggbert"

Speedy Eggbert, on 07 April 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

And please, Mikko, techno music isn't hard to produce.

ref:

Hank, on 23 March 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

You should know that 'prefer' means I hate your 'other' shit

Still, why not post your boy's tunes? Keep in mind it's What Are You Listening thread

Forge, on 23 March 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

here some samples my son made on his ds.

they're pretty big size for such small songs

[Kathy]

Speedy Eggbert, on 07 April 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

How is that anything unordinary after Syd Barrett?

Like I said, I prefer an ensemble writing. Doesn't make music better or worse, but it's better to identify records with a band rather than individuals. Not that it matters in this discussion.

[Radar]

Rattle off a few bands you like that follow that type of writing process.

[Kathy]

Since we're on a subject of art/prog rock - Genesis, Queen.

[Radar]

Bohemian Rapsody was written entirely by Freddie Mercury.

[X-Vector]

Sonic Youth - The Dynamics of Bulbing

[Jimmy]

So Cathy doesn't listen to solo records. Have fun not listening to amazing stuff like Elliott Smith.

[Kathy]

Speedy Eggbert, on 08 April 2013 - 07:57 AM, said:

Bohemian Rapsody was written entirely by Freddie Mercury.

Yeah, because that song was the entire album, right?

JoJo the Idiot Circus Boy, on 08 April 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

So Cathy doesn't listen to solo records.

What a stupid assumption.

[Radar]

Cathy, on 08 April 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:

Yeah, because that song was the entire album, right?

So I suppose you mean albums as a whole being collaborative efforts, not specifically single tracks? Do you like The Beatles then? Their albums are pretty much all Lennon-McCartney collaborative content with Harrison pitching in one or two tracks and even Ringo throwing in some compositions in the later years.