[Kathy]

I said I prefer when I can identify records with a whole band rather than one individual. It doesn't mean I don't listen to groups not fitting into this criteria.

And I haven't properly heard any The Beatles album until last month. Besides, it was still Lennon/McCartney and not one man.

For example, I adore Uriah Heep despite it having Hensley as a main contributor.

[Jimmy]

Cathy, on 08 April 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:

What a stupid assumption.

I make a stupid assumption because you made a stupid point. Who cares how many people write it as long as it's good? Creedence Clearwater Revival's last album, Mardi Gras, was a collaborative effort and ended up being such a shitty record the band broke up.

[Kathy]

It's just my preference wihout any assumption that record is somehow better when a whole band wrote it.

[Jimmy]

All of Creedence Clearwater Revival's best songs were written by John Fogerty, not counting covers. Except for Walking on the Water, which he co-wrote with his brother. Oh wait, that's everything CCR ever did except for the other band member's songs on Mardi Gras.

[Zaxtor]

Bill Haley and his comets - Rock around the clock (1954)


Santo & Johnny - Sleepwalk (1959)

[Kathy]

JoJo the Idiot Circus Boy, on 08 April 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

All of Creedence Clearwater Revival's best songs were written by John Fogerty, not counting covers. Except for Walking on the Water, which he co-wrote with his brother. Oh wait, that's everything CCR ever did except for the other band member's songs on Mardi Gras.

I still don't get it. Could you repeat it again?

[Mikko]

Speedy Eggbert, on 07 April 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

I'm not arguing that dance isn't music, I'm arguing the type of music it is. The level of performance at modern concerts has degraded so much, now being famous involves everything from stage antics to whether the lead female singer was half naked. Is that bad? Depends, but keep things in the correct perspective. The Wall was a very personal album during production. Dance music is based on the sexual innuendos and the club environment it is native to. While I don't want to exaggerate on things, I'll admit that lots of rock music revolves around drugs, but don't bash on The Wall. Pink Floyd is without a doubt somewhere in the top 10 of the most influential musical acts of the past 100 years, and due to their sonic experimentation and advancement in the studio at a time like their own, I'd say you have Pinky to credit for that fact that your dance music has advanced as much as it has. In all honesty, there is some stuff I thought you would even like, like Shine On You Crazy Diamond and The Dark Side of The Moon due to its neat synthesizers and effects.

I'm not bashing anything. I simply said I could never enjoy it.

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And please, Mikko, techno music isn't hard to produce. Do they have Guitar Centers in Finland? Bring home a Korg OASYS and you're a dance professional. Not to mention the fact that I know a few thing about changing keys, tempos, chord progressions, due to my experience as an arranger/composer for a rock band and a brass band. I could fill the bill at any dance concert without a problem, actually being able to add a change in the musical structure instead of just changing the sound that comes out of the synthesizer. Oh wait, the whole reason for the advancement of dance is because of people that have no respect for that anymore

So if it is so easy why aren't you already making millions selling your easy-to-make dance music? You're basically arguing that there are dollar bills lying on the street and no one is picking them up.

Again, like I said, you might as well argue that it's not hard to pick up a guitar and learn to play it. I mean really, the principle is the same: you do something and a sound comes out. Like with any instrument.

JoJo the Idiot Circus Boy, on 07 April 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

It's not a myth. I actually leave my home and interact with people, Mikko.

Lol, that is a terrible argument. So you're saying that we should base our opinions on extremely small and short-term samples (=your personal experience) rather than big, long-term samples consisting of millions of observations spanning several decades (or even centuries)?

Statistics > experience.

[Kathy]

Mikko_Sandt, on 09 April 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

So if it is so easy why aren't you already making millions selling your easy-to-make dance music? You're basically arguing that there are dollar bills lying on the street and no one is picking them up.

While I'm on "your" side in this argument, making quality music isn't a sure way leading to millions.

[Hank]

Cathy, on 09 April 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

... making quality music isn't a sure way leading to millions.

No shit

it depends on hitting a nerve the right moment in time.

[Zaxtor]

Supertramp - The lover boy (1977)


Supertramp - From now on (1977)

[Radar]

Mikko_Sandt, on 09 April 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

So if it is so easy why aren't you already making millions selling your easy-to-make dance music? You're basically arguing that there are dollar bills lying on the street and no one is picking them up.

Again, like I said, you might as well argue that it's not hard to pick up a guitar and learn to play it. I mean really, the principle is the same: you do something and a sound comes out. Like with any instrument.

Because I'm not a sellout. There are some things more important than money, like the genuine advancement of music. I didn't mean it was easy. I said I was a composer for a few different styles of music and that's why I could work with dance pretty well. I didn't mean to say it was easy, just easier - my bad for not making that clear initially. A DJ would walk on a jazz stage without having a clue what to do, while a jazz professional would look at their silly little keyboards and put out some neat stuff without breaking a sweat.

Speaking of picking up instruments, look in your life and tell me if you know anyone that especially enjoys dance and also plays an instrument well and fluent. Anyone who plays an instrument very well has no respect for dance. Do they even play anything when producing that stuff? They practically just press play on their Macbook.

Statistics are greater than experience? Did you know The Beatles are the best selling artist ever? Led Zeppelin has sold more sheet music than any other band? Elton John and Elvis hold the greatest number of sales in singles? Not a single techno artist holds any stats anywhere close? How do you like them statistics?

Music is my life. I've composed a lot of music, arranged a lot, rewritten a lot, conducted a lot, played a lot, and scrapped a lot. I know what I'm talking about, and I feel sorry for you.

[Jimmy]

Listening to this shit because I actually have taste unlike some of yall plebs.

[Person of Color]

Mikko_Sandt, on 09 April 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

I'm not bashing anything. I simply said I could never enjoy it.



So if it is so easy why aren't you already making millions selling your easy-to-make dance music? You're basically arguing that there are dollar bills lying on the street and no one is picking them up.

Again, like I said, you might as well argue that it's not hard to pick up a guitar and learn to play it. I mean really, the principle is the same: you do something and a sound comes out. Like with any instrument.



Lol, that is a terrible argument. So you're saying that we should base our opinions on extremely small and short-term samples (=your personal experience) rather than big, long-term samples consisting of millions of observations spanning several decades (or even centuries)?

Statistics > experience.

[Mikko]

Speedy Eggbert, on 09 April 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

I didn't mean it was easy. I said I was a composer for a few different styles of music and that's why I could work with dance pretty well. I didn't mean to say it was easy, just easier - my bad for not making that clear initially.

Easier than what?

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Because I'm not a sellout. There are some things more important than money, like the genuine advancement of music.
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Speaking of picking up instruments, look in your life and tell me if you know anyone that especially enjoys dance and also plays an instrument well and fluent. Anyone who plays an instrument very well has no respect for dance.
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Music is my life. I've composed a lot of music, arranged a lot, rewritten a lot, conducted a lot, played a lot, and scrapped a lot. I know what I'm talking about, and I feel sorry for you.

Yes, and these three paragraphs make you come off as an elitist with no actual arguments. "Dance music is bad because me and my musically gifted buddies (=elitist faggots) don't like it." Reaaally convincing.

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Statistics are greater than experience? Did you know The Beatles are the best selling artist ever? Led Zeppelin has sold more sheet music than any other band? Elton John and Elvis hold the greatest number of sales in singles? Not a single techno artist holds any stats anywhere close? How do you like them statistics?

This is an idiotic comparison. I suppose that, by the same token, Modern Warfare games are better than any game you happen to like? The fact that IQ levels have been on the rise is an objective fact, not a matter of taste like music is.

Edit: Oh, and to stay on topic:

[Radar]

Mikko_Sandt, on 10 April 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Easier than what?

Basically every other musical achievement possible, besides maybe writing a rap song.

Mikko_Sandt, on 10 April 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

This is an idiotic comparison. I suppose that, by the same token, Modern Warfare games are better than any game you happen to like?

That's my point, so take your "statistics > experience" statement and shove it up your gluteus maximus.

Mikko_Sandt, on 10 April 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

The fact that IQ levels have been on the rise is an objective fact, not a matter of taste like music is.

O rly?

http://musicthatmake...dumb.virgil.gr/

Yes, I know correlation ≠ causation, just posting it for fun. Notice how hip-hop starts to disappear as one goes up the list.

Mikko_Sandt, on 10 April 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Yes, and these three paragraphs make you come off as an elitist with no actual arguments. "Dance music is bad because me and my musically gifted buddies (=elitist faggots) don't like it." Reaaally convincing.

Thanks for noticing. I am indeed elite. +1 for that. [Mikko Sandt attitude] Dance music is responsible for the decay of human evolution, and those that enjoy it should be eradicated [/Mikko Sandt attitude]

[Hank]

http://psychology.ab...personality.htm

To correlate IQ with what one listens too is at best questionable. It seems that personality has an influences to music taste.

sample, on my play list right now


next


what is my IQ?

[Hank]

not to forget

my most played song for the last month.

[Jimmy]

You can't trust anyone that listens to Avril Lavigne. Needs more Exene Cervenka. Also, hip-hop is not bullshit. What comes on the radio is, but hell all music genres on the radio suck. I present you intelligent well-written hip-hop in 7/4 time. The rest of this EP, Central America, are all in odd time signature for hip hop. None of them are 4/4.



However, I'm currently listening to this.

[Hank]

[Radar]

I appreciate that Mad Conductor vid, Captain. I wonder if Mikko can even tell me what a time signature is.

Since Pink Floyd was brought up, allow me to post a very popular song also in 7/4 time.

[Kathy]

Why should I know what time signature is?

[Radar]

Why should you know history? Why should you know government? Why should you know economy? Why should you know physics? Why should you know chemistry? Why should you know biology? Why should you know algebra? Why should you know geometry? Why should you know literature? Why should you know language?

Same reason for all those above questions: so you understand how the world works. To be more specific, replace "world" with the subject in question. For example: why should you know music theory? So you understand how music works. If there's nothing else you ever learn about music theory, at least know what a time signature is, a key signature is, and a chord is. If you don't know at least one of those, then you are clueless to what actually makes a song. Sure, you might still be able to listen to music and enjoy it - just like you can still enjoy drinking water even if you don't know it's made of up two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom - but you still don't know what makes up a song, just like you're insane if you don't know H20. Feel free to continue in your oblivious state, but knowing what a time signature is only beneficial for you, and frankly, not even that hard to understand (y'know, it's one of those things you learn the first week of middle school band/choir).

It also proves that Captain was right. The average IQ really is getting lower.

[Kathy]

Speedy Eggbert, on 11 April 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

It also proves that Captain was right. The average IQ really is getting lower.

That's cute.

[Jimmy]

I know dick all about music and even I know that a 7/4 time signature is hard to write for, especially in regards to hip hop, wherein almost everything is 4/4.

And you might say "HUR DUR, you have a shitty band, Jim. Of course you know about music." Nope nope nope. I'm just a two-bit dogshit poet and two actual musicians liked my poetry enough (I have no idea why) to bring me in as a lyric writer and microphone garbler.

[Hank]

Speedy Eggbert, on 11 April 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

It also proves that Captain was right. The average IQ really is getting lower.

Really? All I see is the arrogance rising and judging with his own musically superority over the dumb masses.
http://tonometric.com/rhythmdeaf/
my score

I have no formal education, let alone a musically one, the only sound instrument I can play well is a gun, and I used duckduckgo to find out what this 7/4 4/4 means
Since you are so smart, you should pass this simple rhythm test with flying colors.

[Radar]

I don't feel like taking the time to do a print screen and upload it. Since I got a lower score than Hank anyway, it's not like I'm trying to hide anything. I got an 80%. I'm a drummer in my band too. Fine, I suck. Go have fun listening to Justin Bieber for all I care.

[Hank]

OK, I was just mouthing off.
Back to topic.

only for hard core rappers - the original Candy Store from 50 Cents.
http://www.vevo.com/...op/USIV20500034

[Person of Color]

Speedy Eggbert, on 10 April 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

[Mikko Sandt attitude] Dance music is responsible for the decay of human evolution, and those that enjoy it should be eradicated [/Mikko Sandt attitude]

[Kathy]

Speedy Eggbert, on 11 April 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

I don't feel like taking the time to do a print screen and upload it. Since I got a lower score than Hank anyway, it's not like I'm trying to hide anything. I got an 80%. I'm a drummer in my band too. Fine, I suck. Go have fun listening to Justin Bieber for all I care.

It seems like you're in a desperate need of hug. May I hug you?

[Person of Color]

DON'T DO IT HE'LL GET A BONER!