Would mods have saved the game?
#31 Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:29 PM
#32 Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:30 AM
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#33 Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:29 AM
That excuse doesn't work for Unreal Engine games as Epic explicitly allows their licensees to distribute tools.
#34 Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:07 AM
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#35 Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:06 PM
Yes, they would have. People would have been edited out the bad 'You're fucked' line in the hive and would have changed Duke's voice to make it sound deeper and grittier. They would have changed Las Vegas to nighttime and probably added Gus back in. People would be looking for periodic mod updates and trying out different game modes, and thus have a reason to hold onto this game after the first few playthroughs.
In this day and age, a game without mods tends to die. Mods keep people interested and gives them a break from the main campaign so they don't get sick of it. I know I have touched DNF in months, but that is because there is nothing left in it that I'm interested in. I would sell my copy but I don't know how much it would be worth anymore, or even worth anything. I had wanted to mod this game, but since that is not allowed, why am I even holding on to it?
#36 Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:30 PM
Kristian Joensen, on 23 November 2012 - 05:29 AM, said:
That excuse doesn't work for Unreal Engine games as Epic explicitly allows their licensees to distribute tools.
I thought they didn't? or they weren't allowed to due to modifications? Maybe then it's a case of they don't want to spend the money/man-power getting their tools together in a state fit for public use. Still sucks, but understandable.
#37 Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:11 PM
James, on 27 November 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:
Randy was very wishy washy on the issue the whole time, and many of the mods on Gearbox made it clear their reasoning had nothing to do with legalities.
They did screw the fanbase, and it's fact.
#38 Posted 03 December 2012 - 04:28 AM
When people buy a game like Duke Nukem 3D, they're not just buying the game, they're buying every user created map, mod, and TC that is created ever! Content THOUSANDS of times bigger than the original game. So when I and probably a fair few other people bought the game, we expected that we would continue to get fan content even after the game was finished, and that was part of the 'contract' when we bought the game. However all of that was cut out and in fact contrary to what Randy led us to believe, all we ended up paying for was a mediocre single player campaign good for maybe 2 play throughs. Even if the base game was crap we would still have potential access to better content.
So when Randy lied about mod tools and chose not to release them, he effectively cut out potentially 99% of what we were thinking we were paying for. Who wouldn't be pissed? All so they could made a few extra bucks on DLC sales...
#40 Posted 04 December 2012 - 06:02 AM
Fool me once - shame on you
Fool me twice - shame on me
Yes, I was fooled good. I trusted Randy. but hey ... life goes on, and life is good without DNF
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#41 Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:38 AM
#42 Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:39 PM
Captain Awesome, on 19 November 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:
Sonic 06. (Yeah, I know, it's an Xbox 360 game, but, the game's logic is stored in encrypted LUA files, so those with hacked XBoxes can mod it easily as using a tool to decrypt them and editing them as text files, and re-encrypting with said tool. Yes, there is a modding community for this game dedicated to fixing all of the broken crap despite how terrible the raw game is.)
Resident Evil 4 PC. (Horrid PC port, salvaged by mods that fix Mouse/Keyboard play, among many other things.)
Final Fantasy 7 PC (Another horrid, incredibly unstable port. Very active modding community still, and there's now even a custom renderer for it, along with unofficial patches fixing almost everything wrong with the port to make the game stable even on Windows Vista and 7. There's also a high resolution pack being made for it as well.)
So, there's three. I could probably find more if I dug deeper.
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#43 Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:09 PM
Some of the people there were really serious about it, with projects dedicated entirely to hex editing just to reconstruct the HUD, others redoing arena textures and stuff like that
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I also heard that that terrible old Jurassic Park game Tresspasser had a community that tried to fix as much as they could and apparently people still make levels for it
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#44 Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:15 AM
#45 Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:55 PM
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#46 Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:22 PM
#47 Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:34 PM
They should have spent 14 years building a swanky bistro but built a Burger King. The foundation could hold all those people, but who the fuck wants to eat at a Burger King? At least you could convert it to a Wendy's by remodeling it.
Sonic '06 and Tresspasser were like the soup kitchens at Auschwitz. There's literally nothing you could do to improve those after the fact. I mean, thousands of Jews died there. Those games are literally worse than Hitler and just like the Holocaust, they are a constant reminder of humanity's utter moral failure.
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#48 Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:41 PM
486DX2, on 07 February 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:
I find your metaphor insulting sir. I for one fucking love Burger King and I will eat their food like it's the greatest food on Earth.
Son of a bitch. Just had to go and piss me off with that didn't you? I oughta... I OUGHTA! I tell ya...
Guy... Sheesh...
#49 Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:55 AM
The Big Cheese, on 13 November 2012 - 05:52 AM, said:
It's a shame.
i stayed away from these forums and the game itself for ages after i well and truly thrashed the game for the life of it.
I come back now and still there's no hope for a DNF editor? ...
ok its probably too late for it now, but Gearbox should release one for the new upcoming duke game that randy* did touch on somewhat. Let's look at the facts here. 3DR made Duke Nukem 3d. they also made sure to get an editor out there so we can make our own maps, which by the way has taken off really well and people hold that in high regard, and still solid duke3d maps are being made to this day! Now DNF was a difficult beast, with all the trouble getting it made and taking so long and all that the editor idea was scrapped somewhere along the line, maybe before gearbox got it? { if afterwards i'll be pissed}. Now the new duke* Randy & the guys have no excuse as to why they Can't put an editor out for the next duke, especially since they took on the brand. and furthermore have the idea of making a New* duke game. it's all on them from start to finish, and they can do this one thing right by giving us an editor.. which for all their efforts this one fact im about to say is true (at least to me). " All the time and effort devs spend to make a game' at the end of the day once we get it.. once we've played it over again and again' We the fans* will always want MORE.. and with an editor we can create what we want how we want it, and spend 5 years making it if we so choose.."
I for one really wanted a DNF editor and its rediculous that we dont have one i admit. However, with a new duke game in this day & age we really should get what we want with this.. After all, it makes the lifespan of the game last another 10 years+.. just look @ Duke Nukem 3d... I will be truly dissapointed in gearbox if they cannot professionally deliver us an editor for the next Duke game.
at the moment im making a world mod for Skyrim* .. and those of you who play the mods know there's life to be had in a game thats supported by it's devs after release!! - here's the LINK to my mod http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/26398
#50 Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:43 PM
Commando Nukem, on 14 February 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:
I find your metaphor insulting sir. I for one fucking love Burger King and I will eat their food like it's the greatest food on Earth.
Son of a bitch. Just had to go and piss me off with that didn't you? I oughta... I OUGHTA! I tell ya...
Guy... Sheesh...
You know what? FUCK THEM for ruining the BK Big Fish. It used to be really big. Then it got really small. Now it's really greasy and gross.
And fuck Wendy's for only offering their superior Fish Sandwich a few months out of the year!
#51 Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:23 PM
#52 Posted 17 February 2013 - 06:59 AM
#53 Posted 17 February 2013 - 07:05 AM
486DX2, on 17 February 2013 - 06:59 AM, said:
A ghetto Winn Dixie.
As for me. I like Hardee's. Everyone hates Hardee's. Hardee's is awesome. Except for their ad campaign.
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#55 Posted 17 February 2013 - 02:40 PM
Achenar, on 17 February 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:
As for me. I like Hardee's. Everyone hates Hardee's. Hardee's is awesome. Except for their ad campaign.
Hahahaha, that is the perfect description of Food Lion. And Hardee's is indeed the shit. Nothing better than getting fried chicken and cheeseburgers at the same time.
Radar, on 17 February 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:
Maybe if you support zealots.
#56 Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:00 PM
We have Waldbaums. Even our carrots are owned by Jews.
#57 Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:07 PM
Captain Awesome, on 17 February 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:
They could call themselves Hitler Chicken for all I care, the food is still good.