[Person of Color]

Captain Awesome, on 18 February 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

I was suspecting it was the same over there, but since I've never been there I was gonna give a benefit of the doubt. I don't think there is any saving radio. We have a completely plebeian culture. They love shit. I had to drive my dad's girlfriend's granddaughter to school a while back, so I was listening to Sublime's first record and she was getting all pissy about it. I was just like "Who the hell doesn't like Sublime? There's something for everyone."

Jesus Christ dude...your dad has a girlfriend? She must be a real retard if her descendents don't like Sublime.

At least you know she's not a gold digger. Maybe a booger digger...but definitely not a gold digger.

[Kathy]

I haven't even heard about some Sublime. And no, I'm not going to google it. I have enough music to listen to without it.

[Jimmy]

Sublime is but an amalgamation of all the greatest genres; reggae, punk rock, ska, surf rock, dub, and hip hop. They are a great band, albeit somewhat over-rated because dumbass potheads think it makes them cool to listen to it, much in the same manner as Bob Marley. If you don't like Sublime, you just don't like music.

[Kathy]

Captain Awesome, on 19 February 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

If you don't like Sublime, you just don't like music.

That kind of opinion only brings a logical answer: "Fuck you".

[Forge]

Radar, on 18 February 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

Can and do. Just curious if there are radio stations that are willing to do that. I also wonder if there are any stations out there that play full albums.

in the us fcc regulations make broadcasting stations identify themselves at least once an hour (most do it twice an hour)

so playing a full album uninterrupted would be highly unlikely.

i don't listen to radio much anymore except when i drive somewhere so i wouldn't know if radio stations would be willing to do what you're suggesting.

there was a rock station in spokane, washington that would play full songs and one side of an album on their night show. usually things like inna-gadda-davida, shine on you crazy diamond, dogs, sheep, wish you were here, 2112, etc., or an entire side of a doors, led zeppelin, pink floyd, etc. album

but that was back in the mid 80s.

with all the media formats and outlets these days it's more important now then ever for radio stations to cater to the listener and rake in as much audience as possible, so i really don't see that kind of stuff happening any more

[X-Vector]

I've heard a couple of Sublime songs and "Santeria" was a staple at the pub back when, I don't see what's so special about the band though.
They're playing a pleasant, non-offensive mix of styles, but nothing that really makes me sit up and listen.

[Sangman]

Yeah Sublime's pretty dull IMO.

[Alan]

Forge, on 18 February 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

"Hair Metal" bands like Bullet Boys, Poison, Cinderella, etc.

everybody was sick and tired of rock ballads.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but i'm from the northwest and i seen the "grunge" scene emerging towards the late 80s before it received record label attention in the early 90s.

We weren't incredibly impressed the "quality and sophistication" of the music, but it was better than going to concerts to see guys on stage with more hairspray and lipstick on than half the girls in the audience.

Grunge has a complete lack of sophistication. Grunge wasn't the bane of 80s metal, it was pop artists taking the work that metal did and bastardizing it to get chicks. Everyone associates 80s metal with big goofy hair, make up and glitter, and I can't entirely blame them; but damn it's frustrating when people think that's what I listen to when I say I listen to 80s metal. A few times I've been derided for it because people think I listen to that sappy shit, and they were really damn surprised when I showed them actual 80s metal.

If the pop fuckfaces didn't try to steal it, metal would probably have endured and crushed grunge as a blip on the radar.

And now for something less rage-fueled.



It's a... catwalk!

[Jimmy]

X-Vector, on 20 February 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

I've heard a couple of Sublime songs and "Santeria" was a staple at the pub back when, I don't see what's so special about the band though.
They're playing a pleasant, non-offensive mix of styles, but nothing that really makes me sit up and listen.

That's a valid argument because you've probably heard the singles, which means it came off their last record which was just barely finished before Bradley's death and had a markedly different sound because of their big record label contract. 40 Oz. to Freedom and Robbin' The Hood are superior records.

[Sangman]

Alan, on 20 February 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

Grunge wasn't the bane of 80s metal, it was pop artists taking the work that metal did and bastardizing it to get chicks.

Every genre has 'artists' like this. I honestly doubt that all those years Layne Staley was just trying to get laid.

[Kathy]

Alan, on 20 February 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

Grunge has a complete lack of sophistication. Grunge wasn't the bane of 80s metal, it was pop artists taking the work that metal did and bastardizing it to get chicks. Everyone associates 80s metal with big goofy hair, make up and glitter, and I can't entirely blame them; but damn it's frustrating when people think that's what I listen to when I say I listen to 80s metal. A few times I've been derided for it because people think I listen to that sappy shit, and they were really damn surprised when I showed them actual 80s metal.

If anyone says "80s metal" I think about thrash, black, death and doom.

[Radar]

I think of Van Halen and Randy Rhoads whenever I hear the term "80s metal".

[Jimmy]

80's metal master race.

[Forge]

Alan, on 20 February 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

Grunge has a complete lack of sophistication. Grunge wasn't the bane of 80s metal, it was pop artists taking the work that metal did and bastardizing it to get chicks. Everyone associates 80s metal with big goofy hair, make up and glitter, and I can't entirely blame them; but damn it's frustrating when people think that's what I listen to when I say I listen to 80s metal. A few times I've been derided for it because people think I listen to that sappy shit, and they were really damn surprised when I showed them actual 80s metal.

If the pop fuckfaces didn't try to steal it, metal would probably have endured and crushed grunge as a blip on the radar.

i wouldn't say grunge killed 80s metal either. It was more like a void filler.

i'm from the iron maiden/judas priest school of metal. the problem was that style of metal music wasn't even close to being as popular as foo-foo sissy rock.
i agree that pop metal ruined the image of metal in general. real metal, while having a large and strong backing, was never that commercially huge in the first place, and it left the door open for bubble-gum crap that record producers like.

after some point hair metal ran it's course and all the bands were cookie-cutter interchangeable with one another. people were tired of rock ballads and due to timing as much as anything else grunge took over.

it was easy for someone of the heavy metal school to skip over the poofy-sissy stuff and transition to grunge due to imaging. not much of a transition from denim & leather to denim & plaid shirts
it was easy for the wussy pop rockers to transition because both forms of music are pretty simplistic.
simplistic music with a good catchy beat are what record labels want. doesn't cost much to produce and is commercially more popular with the masses who like their music easy to understand/listen to.

[Jimmy]

I don't even know if that is accurate, because grunge isn't simplistic and easy to listen to by definition, lots of Soundgarden, Nirvana, Mudhoney, and Alice in Chains songs are contrary to that analysis. It wasn't all Stone Temple Pilots.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Forge, on 20 February 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

simplistic music with a good catchy beat are what record labels want.

Thank goodness that's not always true.

[Radar]

Grunge is not simple. Grunge introduced chord progressions with minimal flow that had never been used before in the history of music.

Forge, do you consider bands like Van Halen, Black Sabbath, Ozzy Osbourne, Metallica, etc. to be under that "sissy rock" genre?

[Forge]

Radar, on 20 February 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Grunge is not simple. Grunge introduced chord progressions with minimal flow that had never been used before in the history of music.

Forge, do you consider bands like Van Halen, Black Sabbath, Ozzy Osbourne, Metallica, etc. to be under that "sissy rock" genre?

i'm loosely using the term simplistic when comparing bands like nirvana to bands like iron maiden. their songs are more "radio friendly". don't read too much into it.

van halen a little bit, especially after they merged with sammy hagar. early on not really. ozzy went through the poofy hair & rock balad phase as well. earlier and later stuff for him not so much.

sissy rock was poison, bon jovi, warrant, etc. - the rock ballad era started by motley crue 'cause a drunk vince neal killed his friend and had to "clean up" his act and be more socially acceptable. no more shout at the devil.

[Jimmy]

Motley Crue always sucked.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Captain Awesome, on 20 February 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Motley Crue always sucked.

You're not making very many friends here.

[Radar]

Just saying that would make him a friend of mine.

[X-Vector]

Alan, on 20 February 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

Everyone associates 80s metal with big goofy hair, make up and glitter

I don't believe that's even true for the US, much less the rest of the world where hair metal was never quite that big.

Captain Awesome, on 20 February 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

That's a valid argument because you've probably heard the singles, which means it came off their last record which was just barely finished before Bradley's death and had a markedly different sound because of their big record label contract. 40 Oz. to Freedom and Robbin' The Hood are superior records.

No, I listened to a couple of tracks off 40. Oz (Date Rape, 54-46 and one other) and they just didn't grab me.
It's not bad (though the Toots & The Maytals original of 54-46 is far superior), but it doesn't make me want to hear more either.
In general I'm not a huge fan of skapunk though*, so it's not all Sublime's fault.

*With the exception of supporting my local scene:

[High Treason]

80's metal sucks!¹

90's metal ftw;


¹ Nah, there actually was some good stuff in the 80's; Megadeth, White Skull and Terrorizer to name a few, but I prefer the sounds from the 1990's and 2000's so it's really a matter of taste.

Something else to note is the track I posted was "borrowed" for a Nintendo game in the 90's, looking at them now, you wouldn't think they'd do that.

[Forge]

90s metal is the bastard child of 80s metal

[Person of Color]

Hair metal is fucking gay. Sorry guys.

[Kathy]

Which "guys" were you actually addressing?

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Right, it seems the vast majority of people agree with Descent. It's like saying "I know this view is unpopular but Uwe Boll sucks at directing".

[Sangman]

Captain Awesome, on 20 February 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

It wasn't all Stone Temple Pilots.

Stone Temple Pilots' "Core" album is brilliant and awesome. But yeah, the rest not so much - some great songs here and there but nothing as 100% terrific as Core.

[underTaker]

Random sentence: I love beer.

[Jimmy]

X-Vector, on 21 February 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:

No, I listened to a couple of tracks off 40. Oz (Date Rape, 54-46 and one other) and they just didn't grab me.
It's not bad (though the Toots & The Maytals original of 54-46 is far superior), but it doesn't make me want to hear more either.
In general I'm not a huge fan of skapunk though*, so it's not all Sublime's fault.

Ska-punk is my jam. Although it is true that you'll have a hard time liking Sublime if you dislike ska (which makes you inhuman.)

Sangman, on 21 February 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Stone Temple Pilots' "Core" album is brilliant and awesome. But yeah, the rest not so much - some great songs here and there but nothing as 100% terrific as Core.

Core is great. I love STP, but they were always "the band that plays the best music of all the best bands." I don't like much other than Core and Purple.