[Hank]

Alan, on 18 February 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

I am of the opinion that Nirvana was a major player in the dumbing down of 90s music.

/me exists before flamewar

How dare you! Flame war? Here in peaceful duke4.net, where no one argues?
The sucking portion of music in the 90s was a result of Universal Music Group, Nirvana was just a pawn in their Empire. Thankfully Sony Music saved the decade, with Alice in Chains, Slayer, System of Down etc.
Do flame wars hurt? Because I think just opened up a volcano.

[Jimmy]

Radar, on 18 February 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

Dude, everyone's a douchebag posterboy next to GG Allin.

Hell yeah.


Grunge was just the second wave of punk rock.

[Kathy]

Achenar, on 18 February 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

It wasn't the sole purpose of their music, but I doubt that Kurt Cobain pulled random words out of a jar and simply used those for lyrics without any sort of intent.

I thoguth your were talking about the message. Of course some themes and thoughts weren't random, but I doubt the have the message or, dare I say, agenda.

Hank, on 18 February 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

The sucking portion of music in the 90s was a result of Universal Music Group, Nirvana was just a pawn in their Empire. Thankfully Sony Music saved the decade, with Alice in Chains, Slayer, System of Down etc.

Who? Sony Music? You do realise there's a shitload of various labels and musicians?

[Hank]

Cathy, on 18 February 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

Who? Sony Music? You do realise there's a shitload of various labels and musicians?

No, tell me about the shitload of labels.
http://en.wikipedia....tainment_labels
granted the landscape in the early late 80s and early 90s looked very much different, but it was and it is hard to be heard in the US without having a strong arm lifting you up.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Captain Awesome, on 18 February 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

Grunge was just the second wave of punk rock.

But, that would make post-grunge the third wave of punk rock, which would include bands like Nickelback, Creed, and Seether.

...

'Sure about that?

[Radar]

Captain Awesome, on 18 February 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

Hell yeah.

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand him.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

I have Nirvana in all of my playlists nonetheless, but I love 90s music. I cannot stand the shit they play on modern rock stations. It's literally impossible to listen to.

[Jimmy]

Achenar, on 18 February 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

But, that would make post-grunge the third wave of punk rock, which would include bands like Nickelback, Creed, and Seether.

...

'Sure about that?

Not exactly. I would say the third wave is revivalist shit like OFF! and Jello Biafra and the Guantanamo School of Medicine. Post-Grunge is just the triumph of the swill government music repackaging, much like Emo was a bastardization of D.C. Hardcore bands like Embrace and Rites of Spring who were really good.

Radar, on 18 February 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand him.

GG ruled, but it does indeed take a special type of person to like his uhhh "music."

[Hank]

@ Captain Awesome and Achenar
Can either explain what grunge has to do with Punk? Yep, I am lost in your talk

[Sangman]

Achenar, on 18 February 2013 - 01:14 PM, said:

I have Nirvana in all of my playlists nonetheless, but I love 90s music. I cannot stand the shit they play on modern rock stations. It's literally impossible to listen to.

Well, look beyond what your radio stations play. This is from a 2012 album.



2009:



Just a couple of examples that I like personally (and I'm a fan of certain 90s music ). Still plenty of great music out there.

[Sangman]

Another song, from 2005:

[Radar]

Captain Awesome, on 18 February 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

GG ruled, but it does indeed take a special type of person to like his uhhh "music."

GG Allin supposedly raped people onstage. Just a load of fan hype. He never really had it in him to do that.

Spoiler

I mean, not with that micro penis of his.

[Jimmy]

Sang, you're right there is a lot of great new music out there. But if you lived in America, you'd understand. Our mass media culture is vapid. You don't hear this stuff on the radio.

Hank, on 18 February 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

@ Captain Awesome and Achenar
Can either explain what grunge has to do with Punk? Yep, I am lost in your talk

Quite a lot. First time Kurt Cobain was arrested he had a Millions of Dead Cops cassette on him. Pearl Jam covers the Dead Boys all the time. Kris Novoselic and Kim Thayil had a one off band with Jello Biafra to protest the WTO in '99. Sublime covered Mudhoney. The connections aren't always clear, but it's there. Nirvana's first record has a very layman punk sound to it. To most people, punk is a sort of specific sound, but if you really dig into punk you realize "Hey, the Descendents don't sound anything like FEAR, what's the deal?" It's more about a methodology and way of thinking than a real specific pin-pointed sound.


EDIT: Radar, the stories about GG are mostly true. Videos and his arrest record are pretty damning.

[Kathy]

Captain Awesome, on 18 February 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

You don't hear this stuff on the radio.

Is anyone interested in music still listening radio? Why?

[Hank]

http://www.edge.ca/ is one of best radio station in my home town, click on listen live, to hear why radio can still matter in 2013.

@ Captain Awesome, I sort of get it, but I need to digest this first.

[Jimmy]

Cathy, on 18 February 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

Is anyone interested in music still listening radio? Why?

Hahahaha. I only listen to classic rock stations in the event I have to (driving someone else' car or something), I might catch Queen or something.

Hank, on 18 February 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

@ Captain Awesome, I sort of get it, but I need to digest this first.

It doesn't make sense at first, but I think Pearl Jam is the best example because they were always tearing down their famousness and pretty poignantly political in a sort of neo-Dead Kennedys way at times. The more political grunge bands never really got popular, which is why most people tend to remember Nirvana and the Stone Temple Pilots, they didn't really have a message.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Plus there's some sort of pathetic irony about a political band like Rage Against The Machine being vehemently anti-corporate but still signing themselves onto a massive record label.

[Sangman]

Captain Awesome, on 18 February 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Sang, you're right there is a lot of great new music out there. But if you lived in America, you'd understand. Our mass media culture is vapid. You don't hear this stuff on the radio.

You think Europe is different? You don't think I got those couple of songs by listening to the radio did you?

The only radio station I can think of that actually has some balls is Beat Rock, a Czech radio station. I was driving near Prague last year and ended up listening to it. It blew my mind that they played Black Sabbath songs and Queen songs and didn't just stick to the popular ones. They played Queen's The Prophet's Song, which I'd never heard before - and it's really quite brilliant and IMO better than Bohemian Rhapsody (but maybe I'm just tired of hearing it cause it and a couple other hit songs are the only Queen songs radio stations dare to play around here).

No, I hear about music from friends or people who are older than me and know more about that stuff than I do. A few years back, a friend introduced me to Kyuss. I was hooked pretty much instantly and then decided to check out splinter bands like Unida, Hermano, Queens of the Stone Age, Them Crooked Vultures or other bands of the same genre Dozer, Truckfighter, Yawning Man,.. Last year, some other friend introduced me to progressive and psychedelic rock, which made me check out more from Rush, Pink Floyd, Porcupine Tree, Tame Impala, ... Through the movie Suicide Kings I started listening to Gus Gus.. etc...

Apart from a few 'safe' hit songs you will never hear anything of these bands on most radio stations. I'm not sure if that's a shame. It's not that I want to be a hipster kid listening to music that isn't mainstream, but I love 'discovering' music by other means and I'm also afraid I would get tired of hearing great songs because as you all know, once a radio station starts playing a song... it gets played until you want to cut your ears out.

[Hendricks266]

Hey, I just met you
And this is crazy
But I have Tourette's
So FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

[Forge]

Hank, on 18 February 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

@ Forge - You lost me. what is glitz&glam?

sorry for the late response.

"Hair Metal" bands like Bullet Boys, Poison, Cinderella, etc.

everybody was sick and tired of rock ballads.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but i'm from the northwest and i seen the "grunge" scene emerging towards the late 80s before it received record label attention in the early 90s.

We weren't incredibly impressed the "quality and sophistication" of the music, but it was better than going to concerts to see guys on stage with more hairspray and lipstick on than half the girls in the audience.

[Hank]

Captain Awesome, on 18 February 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

It doesn't make sense at first, but I think Pearl Jam is the best example because they were always tearing down their famousness and pretty poignantly political in a sort of neo-Dead Kennedys way at times. The more political grunge bands never really got popular, which is why most people tend to remember Nirvana and the Stone Temple Pilots, they didn't really have a message.

When it comes to genres I have a hard time to begin with.
When I hear The Clash (yes old) or Transplants - I think Punk Rock. When I hear Soundgarden I think grunge.
Also, I don't pay much attention to the lyrics or for their political stands. I listen to your music, even if you are a Left Wing PITA loving arse.
The above probably give sufficient reasons why I am lost, it seems to be more a lyric and attitude trademark ??

@ Forge - Thanks, never heard the term nor the groups , actually, Poison rings a bell, somewhere far distant ....

[Jimmy]

Achenar, on 18 February 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

Plus there's some sort of pathetic irony about a political band like Rage Against The Machine being vehemently anti-corporate but still signing themselves onto a massive record label.

Indeed. That always bugged the hell out of me. It seemed to me that they were just dangerous enough to keep the kids occupied but never accomplish anything. Jello Biafra once said "The last true punk band to get a major label contract was The Dickies." Which holds quite a bit of truth, everyone gets watered down after a major contract. I love Sublime and Bad Religion for example, but there was definitely something missing when both of them got big contracts, and Epitaph/Hellcat Records is the biggest pile of shit ever. The only 'punk label' worth a damn anymore is Alternative Tentacles and maybe Fat Wreck Chords.

Sangman, on 18 February 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

You think Europe is different? You don't think I got those couple of songs by listening to the radio did you?

The only radio station I can think of that actually has some balls is Beat Rock, a Czech radio station. I was driving near Prague last year and ended up listening to it. It blew my mind that they played Black Sabbath songs and Queen songs and didn't just stick to the popular ones. They played Queen's The Prophet's Song, which I'd never heard before - and it's really quite brilliant and IMO better than Bohemian Rhapsody (but maybe I'm just tired of hearing it cause it and a couple other hit songs are the only Queen songs radio stations dare to play around here).

No, I hear about music from friends or people who are older than me and know more about that stuff than I do. A few years back, a friend introduced me to Kyuss. I was hooked pretty much instantly and then decided to check out splinter bands like Unida, Hermano, Queens of the Stone Age, Them Crooked Vultures or other bands of the same genre Dozer, Truckfighter, Yawning Man,.. Last year, some other friend introduced me to progressive and psychedelic rock, which made me check out more from Rush, Pink Floyd, Porcupine Tree, Tame Impala, ... Through the movie Suicide Kings I started listening to Gus Gus.. etc...

Apart from a few 'safe' hit songs you will never hear anything of these bands on most radio stations. I'm not sure if that's a shame. It's not that I want to be a hipster kid listening to music that isn't mainstream, but I love 'discovering' music by other means and I'm also afraid I would get tired of hearing great songs because as you all know, once a radio station starts playing a song... it gets played until you want to cut your ears out.

I was suspecting it was the same over there, but since I've never been there I was gonna give a benefit of the doubt. I don't think there is any saving radio. We have a completely plebeian culture. They love shit. I had to drive my dad's girlfriend's granddaughter to school a while back, so I was listening to Sublime's first record and she was getting all pissy about it. I was just like "Who the hell doesn't like Sublime? There's something for everyone."

[Radar]

I want to find a radio station that has the guts to play the full 30 minutes of Atom Heart Mother, Echoes, and Shine On You Crazy Diamond.

[Hank]

^ try here http://tunein.com/ra...-Radio-s108447/
from Montreal, Canada, for 2013, if you had ask the question in 1985, most Rock Stations, again in Canada.
Radio in the US sucked with their extreme short play lists, since I came here ... one hour max, and you heard the same songs again.

[Radar]

Doesn't count; you couldn't get through ten minutes of Shine On Your Crazy Diamond without an ad interruption.

[Hank]

Add free? Could do, but you need to pay out front. Siriusxm has a designated Pink Floyd channel. Technically still Radio
http://www.siriusxm....sXM-Canada.aspx

[Kathy]

[deleted reply to CA]

Radar, on 18 February 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

I want to find a radio station that has the guts to play the full 30 minutes of Atom Heart Mother, Echoes, and Shine On You Crazy Diamond.

Can't you listen to the goddamn album?

[Jimmy]

Like this if I'm sexy.

[Radar]

Cathy, on 18 February 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Can't you listen to the goddamn album?

Can and do. Just curious if there are radio stations that are willing to do that. I also wonder if there are any stations out there that play full albums.

I hate it when they play Another Brick in The Wall Pt. 2 and leave out the "If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding!" ending.

[Master Fibbles]

Captain Awesome, on 18 February 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

Like this if I'm sexy.

Nope. No free rides here.