Mr.Flibble, on 27 November 2011 - 01:58 PM, said:
The hubris of this...you really think that humans have such an effect on the world? Sure, humans are aggressive consumers but we are not anything special. Nature consumes and no matter how little or much any person does to reduce or increase animal suffering, it won't matter. Nature has a way of balancing out, there is an order to the universe and evolution is part of that order. Survival of the fittest and the circle of life/consumption.
Besides, the way humans treat other humans is something people should talk about, not how animals are treated; Yes, animals develop a level of intimacy but their cognitive skills tend to be (I'll be honest and say I've met people dumber than my friend's dog) lower than humans' and they are not entirely aware of their own mortality in the same way we are. A dog dies and it has time to think "Well, did I pass on my genetic code?" a human dies and wonders what is next? what was the point? have I been a good person? have I accomplished something worthwhile? [exegi monumentum...] The Kubler-Ross 5 stages of death don't apply to animals and that is what is different about my friend having a brain tumor and a cat reaching the end of its short life.
I'll admit that human-animal relationships are important and people do feel like animals are like family to them, and that is shitty when they die; but you can't have the same relationship to your pet cat or dog or bird as you can a man you grew up with or your father.
Im sorry but this is just typical human arrogance, how can you presume to know the functions of a consciousness other than your own, when we still don't even know fully how our own minds work? A dog knows its going to die in advance, we need doctors to tell us, dogs dream as do we. You cannot percieve how any animal except yourself percieves death, you just can't, have you ever heard a dog howl when its master passes? Have you ever had a dog?. Never assume to know all the answers, we have been doing that forever and the goal posts keep shifting meaning we need new answers to what we once thought we knew.
Only recently have we discovered that Orcas have "cultures" and many differant ones at that, this was once a trait deemed only possible from humans. I think there is a lot more to life than survival of the fittest, because in the end of the day its a fruitless pursuit as the planet with all life on it will one day be destroyed, so what does it matter who lived or died or had the most children, will the fittest survive the end of the world? No.
We humans have the potential for greatness and incredible empathy for all life, yet this potential is missed by most and ignored by others in favour of short term advantage by the richest and greedyest people on the planet. Everything was one and will be returned to one someday, so if you can't respect animals for their right to inherit the planet with us with strong rights, then you don't respect a part of yourself in the future, which might as well be now as time is a human construct.