[mxrtxn]

 Gambini, on 20 May 2019 - 09:12 AM, said:

Borion: Those voxels are awesome!!

Eager to add them to DNF 2019

Please do so!

Also Reaperman don´t forget to add them to the voxel pack!

Can´t wait to see them in game!

[Borion]

Space Suit Corpse (0606)



KVX: https://mega.nz/#!53...CFVXPObK6P280bo

props.def line:
voxel "voxels/props/0606_spacesuitcorpse.kvx" { tile 606 }

I had to do a minor (1 vox X axis) correction to pivot placement of normal Space Suit (0058)
Corrected KVX file:
https://mega.nz/#!sz...y-_f_O9AZlYFnZg

[Gambini]

I have a suggestion for the toilet voxel.



In my opinion it should not have that SW palid blue water inside. It should just fade to dark as deeper it gets, with no water. First because there´s no flushing animation and second because it´s clashing with the rest of the model´s tidy style.

[Borion]

 Gambini, on 21 May 2019 - 06:18 AM, said:

I have a suggestion for the toilet voxel.

In my opinion it should not have that SW palid blue water inside. It should just fade to dark as deeper it gets, with no water. First because there´s no flushing animation and second because it´s clashing with the rest of the model´s tidy style.

No problem. I made a variant that you described in the begining, poo stains included. I thought that one with water will be more fitting, but it's up to you folks to decide which one is more fitting.
I will post KVX later, got to leave to catch a train soon.

Here comparison:

[Gambini]

Thanks! Looking forward to get the download link!

[Gambini]

Another suggestion:



The inside of the cardboard box should be darker, because of ambient occlusion and because in the sprite it is like that too.

[Borion]

Gambini, on 21 May 2019 - 07:17 AM, said:

The inside of the cardboard box should be darker, because of ambient occlusion and because in the sprite it is like that too.

Yes, I noticed that
I had to choose between two approaches.
1) making sides of cardboard 2 voxels thick, so there would be brighter outer shell and inner darker shell, but making it look more like some wooden box (I made such variant)
2) making sides of cardboard 1 voxel thin, to make it’s appearance lighter, suggesting lighter substance - paper/cardboard

I chose second variant, because I prefer its lighter look. Deeper, more emphasized shadow in original sprite is there to add some dimension to otherwise very flat looking, contrast-less object. So I’m against making whole object “heavier”, just to make inside part darker in this particular case.
Please take a note, lightning in DN3D sprites is very inconsistent. It changes accordingly to general characteristics and structure of each object. IMO we should follow this approach. For that reason it is not always good to stick to each and every aspect of original sprites, during translation from 2D into 3D. I hope I don’t sound like some stuck-up artsy type, but I probably am anyway
Please share your thoughts/critique/feedback on other stuff in the future, it is important.

Cheers

[LeoD]

mxrtxn, on 20 May 2019 - 05:25 PM, said:

#4426

I wonder why no one ever made an md3. Should be very easy.

Borion, on 20 May 2019 - 02:44 AM, said:

One more thing, if any mappers out there would really like to have certain sprite converted, say so. I'm getting close to a time, when I probably wont have as much time at hand, as I have now...

I'm no mapper, but based on my experience elsewhere I'd like to see a couple of frequently used items:

Spoiler

tile1079 oozfilter

tile4580 canwithsomething2
tile4581 canwithsomething3
tile4582 canwithsomething4
tile1227-1229(1230-1231) nukebarrel

tile0914 maskwall3 (fence)

tile0680 chair3

tile0990 tire
tile4440 donuts2

tile1045 donuts
tile4454 deskphone

tile1111 handswitch

tile0908 tree1
tile0910 tree2

tile1025 bottle7 (plant)
tile0969 hydroplant
tile1003 brokehydroplant

tile1353 spacemarine (full model like md3 with correct origin appreciated)
tile1267 rat

[Borion]

About these frequently used stuff that you listed Leo, I got couple of them in rough, sketchy phase. I.e. fence, tires & phone. I will take care of them after being done with bouncy mine.
Hey, other voxel-makers! Please write if you already started making any of those objects listed by Leo, so we don’t overlap our efforts. Thank you.

[Phredreeke]

LeoD, on 21 May 2019 - 09:09 AM, said:

tile1353 spacemarine (full model like md3 with correct origin appreciated)

oh god I have to see this! 👀

[Borion]

Toilet - variant without water:
https://mega.nz/#!tq...-maC-t62eYIsbLs

I can't check it in EDuke32 at the moment, but it should be fine. Enjoy!

EDIT: About Spacemarine corpse, you REALLY want to start a beef with Doom community, right?

[LeoD]

Phredreeke, on 21 May 2019 - 09:44 AM, said:

oh god I have to see this! 👀

I wouldn't have dared to ask, but the came the spacesuit...

Borion, on 21 May 2019 - 10:20 AM, said:

EDIT: About Spacemarine corpse, you REALLY want to start a beef with Doom community, right?

I'm not part of that, so no need to care. And since 3DRealms got away with it, why shouldn't we?

[Borion]

LeoD, on 21 May 2019 - 10:33 AM, said:

I wouldn't have dared to ask, but the came the spacesuit...

I'm not part of that, so no need to care. And since 3DRealms got away with it, why shouldn't we?

Keep in mind, they got on their side guy that makes all dwellers of hell shit their pants. And he seem to be professionally active (Doom 2016, Doom: Ethernal). Meanwhile, our hero was forced into early retirement.
Lets be realistic about our chances in potential conflict, at least for a time being ;D

On a more serious note, we should also get Luke Skywalker & Indie at certain point.

[Striker]

Borion, on 21 May 2019 - 06:41 AM, said:

No problem. I made a variant that you described in the begining, poo stains included. I thought that one with water will be more fitting, but it's up to you folks to decide which one is more fitting.
I will post KVX later, got to leave to catch a train soon.

Here comparison:

With this, I can make a flushing animation in my mod. So thanks for that.

[Borion]

No problem, Striker. Enjoy

[Mark]

LeoD, on 21 May 2019 - 09:09 AM, said:

I wonder why no one ever made an md3. Should be very easy.

I don't remember the bowling pin ever being on the HRP to-do list. Was it used in any original maps?

[LeoD]

Mark, on 21 May 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

Was it used in any original maps?

Probably not, at least no pal0 version. But when stumbling upon it, why not just make it anyway, just mxrtxn did?

[Zaxtor]

Making a custom actor that has frames for flushing
would be freaken nice and realistic.

So full Toilet and empty will be useful

[Borion]

Zaxtor, on 21 May 2019 - 06:00 PM, said:

Making a custom actor that has frames for flushing
would be freaken nice and realistic.

So full Toilet and empty will be useful

@Striker @Zaxtor
I can make extra frames for flushing animation (stream of flushed water and water level change). Just let me know if you need them.

[Striker]

Borion, on 22 May 2019 - 01:04 AM, said:

@Striker @Zaxtor
I can make extra frames for flushing animation (stream of flushed water and water level change). Just let me know if you need them.

Sure, sounds good.

[ReaperMan]

Borion, on 21 May 2019 - 09:24 AM, said:

Hey, other voxel-makers! Please write if you already started making any of those objects listed by Leo, so we don’t overlap our efforts. Thank you.

I'll take on the rat.

[Borion]

ReaperMan, on 22 May 2019 - 07:47 PM, said:

I'll take on the rat.

Great, ReaperMan!

Bounce mine VIP:


Shadowing this thing is PITA.

EDIT: These are 5 frames of mine rotation, just like original.

[Micky C]

It looks a little weird how the actual sphere itself doesn’t seem to be moving, and that the spikes are floating over the surface. I get that the colouring is caused by lighting, which would be static, so there’s no easy solution off the top of my head.

Too bad we can’t just have a single frame and make the sprite rotate.

[Zaxtor]

can be 2 options for it

1. some mines have little turning rings that turns spikes while sphere is not turning

2. Sphere is like a shiny / mirror sphere and when spikes turns looks like sphere doesn't turn.
is when you spin a shiny orb looks like it doesn't move at all aside sliding on the floor from spinning fast.

[Borion]

Micky C, on 23 May 2019 - 04:11 PM, said:

It looks a little weird how the actual sphere itself doesn’t seem to be moving, and that the spikes are floating over the surface. I get that the colouring is caused by lighting, which would be static, so there’s no easy solution off the top of my head.

Too bad we can’t just have a single frame and make the sprite rotate.

Sphere is not finished, so yes, it looks really weird. There will be a slight variation of surface from frame to frame, so it wont look that static. I need to get some sleep before doing that. It's quite late in part of the world where I live and those damn spikes drained all life force from me.

The biggest issue for me guys, is shadowing on spikes. I don't know if I will be able to make it just like on original sprite. My voxel tools don't have any animation features, so it is very complicated & slow process.

@Zaxtor

Hopefully it will be close to original, I just need to get some sleep

[Borion]

Micky C, on 23 May 2019 - 04:11 PM, said:

Too bad we can’t just have a single frame and make the sprite rotate.

Maybe it is possible, just like with weapons, Mickey? Our experts need to comment on that.

One thing that is nice about having frame by frame motion, is those little variations of colours and form.

[Zaxtor]

yes

sleep is important
Especially when making arts

[0815Jack]

Is there somewhere a complete package of all this wonderful voxels?

[Borion]

Bounce mine is done. Now only thing remaining are f*****g pivots, to compensate for hardcoded offsets No, using offsets from sprites was not a solution, I've tried that.

Please Hendricks, consider adding a token for ignoring hardcoded offsets again. Even adjusting basic pivots for KVX is hard, because there is no way to load multiple objects into SLAB6. Now imagine compensating for hardcoded pivots, it's another layer of complications...this is nuts. Thanks for consideration.

Preview:

[Zaxtor]

freaken nice