[Spirrwell]

blackharted, I'm sick of you trolling about how "good" consoles are, and how your always right about things. So I started this, http://spirrwelltech...robo.com/polls/ it's not much, but it's something.

Edit: Never mind, 000webhost decided to "investigate" my website.

[Danukem]

 Hank, on Dec 10 2010, 02:48 PM, said:

You sound like a politician, where is everywhere?

Have you checked Wall Street Journal? Things look very good for research and development, including consoles. The only catch, unlike the old days where leaders pushed the video card development with their game engine, game controllers are not fully implemented by the game makers, or very poorly, there is a mismatch. I think it will hurt those game makers not the console or it's development. But I'm not everywhere only here.

It doesn't matter how well R&D is going if the economic reality makes releasing a new console a bad idea. The economic conditions right now are truly horrific. The only company I could see releasing a new console any time soon would be Nintendo, because the Wii is so popular, yet old and underpowered, and its users have a lot of brand loyalty. I don't think it makes any sense for Sony or Microsoft to come out with a new console before 2015.

[Hank]

 DeeperThought, on Dec 11 2010, 06:59 PM, said:

It doesn't matter how well R&D is going if the economic reality makes releasing a new console a bad idea. The economic conditions right now are truly horrific. The only company I could see releasing a new console any time soon would be Nintendo, because the Wii is so popular, yet old and underpowered, and its users have a lot of brand loyalty. I don't think it makes any sense for Sony or Microsoft to come out with a new console before 2015.

Fair enough. Destiny was talking in terms of 'generation', to me that is 15 to 25 years; and 'everywhere' is a paradox in my books - with that perspective I think there is a lot of room for innovation. When I follow CNN, BBC, FOX or whatever it's all doom and gloom, when I follow WSJ it's a vicious but prosperous world out there.

Yes, the economy sucks and whenever the economy sucks people are drawn to escape, and I think it's the perfect time to make games, and use a little imagination, and do a little R&D and push the limits of the console or let's just say anything except PC. And consoles will improve to catch up; they are being made by people who need to feed their kids too. Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft have their share, but why let them keep it?

[Kathy]

I can't believe people are seriously engaging in conversations with blackharted and Destiny. What are you trying to tell these trolls/bots? They are just flooding the forums with thoughtless messages. Why can't you ignore them? No, you're starting to argue. Great...

[Tea Monster]

 Lotan, on Dec 12 2010, 12:17 AM, said:

I can't believe people are seriously engaging in conversations with blackharted and Destiny. What are you trying to tell these trolls/bots? They are just flooding the forums with thoughtless messages. Why can't you ignore them? No, you're starting to argue. Great...

See, THIS is how bored people are waiting for new Duke material!

Oh, and its been proven before on this forum that Blackhearted wasn't a bot . We discovered a bot recently, and it actually made more intelligent points and had more mature behavior than our resident trolls. Unfortunately, that means that Blackhearted isn't a bot, but that he's failed his Turing test, so I have no idea what is going on there.

[Stabs]

 Mr.Deviance, on Dec 11 2010, 03:25 PM, said:

Duke Nukem 3D is not a hideous looking game at all. It has a unique classic look that works very well for it and gives it a place in history that can't be taken from it.
It might look hideous to somebody that first saw it after it was already outdated, but for the people that played it back then(like myself) the game looks good!
Doom has even worse graphics than Duke 3D yet Doom is even more of a classic than Duke Nukem 3D .
It's all about the art design that works perfectly even today.
When you look at a painting with a boat on the sea, you don't obsess over it's realism, you just accept whichever style has been used to portray it.
If humanity would only accept photorealistic things, then all paintings would have to be replaced with high res pictures!
The triple A fps games from the 90's have went beyond outdated looks and have become art!
Everybody knows that art and never gets old!

how a game styles itself will determine how it ages, if you go for realism you will never age well, deus ex is good example of this. Stylized games such as system shock 2 were stylized and aged much better, i can forsee mirrors edge aging really well because of its graphics style

[Tea Monster]

I think a lot of it is like reading a book, you read the words and your mind supplies pictures to match the description. A lot of the legoey 8-bit art in 90's era shooters serves the same function. You would see a collection of lego bricks approaching you and your brain would fill in a mind-picture of what it 'should' look like.

This could be why people don't like the model reconstructions of various games. A lot of people demand that the models look just like the sprites, as it should have the same look and feel as the original. When they are made to look just like the sprites in high-res, they break the mental image that people had built up to put over the 8-bit sprite. This causes a huge loop-back effect as people now complain that the models look 'Too cartoony' when in actual fact, they look pretty damn exactly like the same sprite that these people are holding up as a template of perfection.

[blackharted]

 Spirrwell, on Dec 11 2010, 04:47 PM, said:

blackharted, I'm sick of you trolling about how "good" consoles are, and how your always right about things. So I started this, http://spirrwelltech...robo.com/polls/ it's not much, but it's something.

Boo hoo, I'll play the world's smallest violin playing the world's saddest song just for you. You just can't handle that I'm right. And you know it.

[Spirrwell]

 blackharted, on Dec 12 2010, 07:45 AM, said:

Boo hoo, I'll play the world's smallest violin playing the world's saddest song just for you. You just can't handle that I'm right. And you know it.

So you're always right?

[blackharted]

 Spirrwell, on Dec 12 2010, 08:25 AM, said:

So you're always right?

Yes. Glad to see you finally catch on.

[Mr.Deviance]

 Spirrwell, on Dec 12 2010, 08:25 AM, said:

So you're always right?

He's only right when I don't bother to quote his posts and comment them

[Spirrwell]

 blackharted, on Dec 12 2010, 11:44 AM, said:

Yes. Glad to see you finally catch on.

Ah, but that is an impossibility, every human makes a mistake, there is no exception. I'd sometimes like to think that God himself has made a few himself. You're not always right, tell me, if you're always right, how do you make a time machine? Following quantum mechanics, it is possible, but do you know how?

[blackharted]

 Spirrwell, on Dec 12 2010, 11:26 AM, said:

Ah, but that is an impossibility, every human makes a mistake, there is no exception. I'd sometimes like to think that God himself has made a few himself. You're not always right, tell me, if you're always right, how do you make a time machine? Following quantum mechanics, it is possible, but do you know how?

The is no possible way to travel through time. If all the sciencists in the world, with all the computing power and money in the world haven't done it, they never will.

[Mr.Deviance]

 blackharted, on Dec 13 2010, 05:42 AM, said:

The is no possible way to travel through time. If all the sciencists in the world, with all the computing power and money in the world haven't done it, they never will.

Actually the time machine was invented. You see, you were originally supposed to be born as a normal smart person but as you can see that's not how things turned out to be in the end.

[Tea Monster]

They mis-timed the jump and arrived after Blackhearted was born. The shock of the Time-team arriving caused Blackhearted's Mom to drop her son on his head. Ever since that moment, time travel has been banned.

[The Commander]

[blackharted]

 Tea Monster, on Dec 13 2010, 11:30 AM, said:

They mis-timed the jump and arrived after Blackhearted was born. The shock of the Time-team arriving caused Blackhearted's Mom to drop her son on his head. Ever since that moment, time travel has been banned.

LOL If mom hadn't of done that I wouldn't the smartest man alive

Nah they couldn't of successfully time-traveled or they would do it again. And again, and again, again and again.............*falls asleep*

[The Albino Ape]

 The Commander, on Dec 13 2010, 11:38 AM, said:

Haha

[blackharted]

 Bam050196, on Dec 13 2010, 01:04 PM, said:

Haha

Can you upload that pic or something please as I can't see it

[The Commander]

Well, what a shame.

[blackharted]

 The Commander, on Dec 13 2010, 01:11 PM, said:

Well, what a shame.

Aw c'mon! I want to see that funny image you made, which is likely about me Please!

[Spirrwell]

I've had a theory for a time machine for a while now, connect two prongs that are under-water to computer, that can calculate the correct protons\electrons to be generated to create tachyons, I don't know, I got the idea a while ago, I'm still trying to think of how it'd work.

[bullerbullerseven]

so you can go back and kill all the trolls o.O

[blackharted]

 Jhect, on Dec 13 2010, 02:48 PM, said:

so you can go back and kill all the trolls o.O

You can't kill me i'm IMMORTAL!!!!!!

[Tea Monster]

Back on topic, they have posted a vid with a tasty next-gen Pig cop if anyone is interested.

[Spirrwell]

 Tea Monster, on Dec 13 2010, 07:23 PM, said:

Back on topic, they have posted a vid with a tasty next-gen Pig cop if anyone is interested.

Sure, but I really think that Duke should get a new model, the HRP model to me just doesn't look as Duke as it should. I'm not saying that it's bad, but after the years it could use an update.

[Tea Monster]

 Spirrwell, on Dec 13 2010, 05:51 PM, said:

Sure, but I really think that Duke should get a new model, the HRP model to me just doesn't look as Duke as it should. I'm not saying that it's bad, but after the years it could use an update.

Just about everything in the HRP needs an update. It all has to be Polymerized. At the moment, its all Quake III stuff. A lot of the textures have been done, but only one monster to date.

[bullerbullerseven]

tbe only monster i like is the shark >.> rawr

[Mike Norvak]

 Jhect, on Dec 13 2010, 07:20 PM, said:

tbe only monster i like is the shark >.> rawr

And don´t forget the turret

[Mr.Deviance]

 Tea Monster, on Dec 13 2010, 05:54 PM, said:

Just about everything in the HRP needs an update. It all has to be Polymerized. At the moment, its all Quake III stuff. A lot of the textures have been done, but only one monster to date.

The problem with hrp is that with high res textures + polymer the maps start to look like crap due to the low poly map surfaces.
The original game looks more realistic because both the textures and the geometry match.
The original map textures show enough detail to allow your brain to imagine what is there but when you go and slap high res textures that actually show what should be there, the whole imagination thing dies and you simply start to see high res stuff on low poly architecture.
Think of a cube with a photorealistic texture that portrays a human head! No matter how photorealistic the texture is, that cube won't ever resemble a real human head!
If you were to take a quake 1 Npc and import it into crysis and then add crysis textures on it, it will look worse than it did in quake 1.

The truth is that maps themselves need some edge smoothing and some of the world details that were originally added with textures, need to be turned into 3D models.
For ex. instead of having a high res polymerized texture that's shows a wall with pipes crossing over it, we need the actual pipes to be modeled and the wall texture needs to be edited and have the pipes erased from it's design.