[Forge]

Captain Awesome, on 27 April 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

Yes, the infinite ammo was for the mighty boot.

I see now. I'm so used to the pistol being the first weapon listed it didn't even register that this video was displaying the boot in a weapon slot.

[Fox]

Well, there was only 9 weapons in the game at the time, so there was space to include the Mighty Boot too.

[Hendricks266]

Yup, as late as v1.0 and v1.1 the help screen and game made no reference to the Devastator whatsoever.



You can see the Freezer was still called "Laser" and the Laser Trip Bomb was "Wall Laser Bomb".

Player Lin, on 27 April 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

I wonder is that version of duke3d game file still exist?

I would bet money it does, but in the hands of 3DR or one of their old employees.

[Jimmy]

I wish I could mine its bountiful resources.

[High Treason]

The 0.99 Beta help screen did not even have weapon names listed;


But that is alright because we can refer to DEFS.CON to needlessly add further confirmation of this.

define FIRSTGUNSPRITE 21
define CHAINGUNSPRITE 22
define RPGSPRITE 23
define FLAMETHROWERSPRITE 24
define SHRINKERSPRITE 25
define HEAVYHBOMB 26
define TRIPBOMBSPRITE 27
define SHOTGUNSPRITE 28

There are some strange things in the CON file, such as

define PLAYERISHERE 2442
define PLAYERWASHERE 2443

You find references to the old laser sight and stuff as well, it's well worth a read.

As for the version in the video existing, possibly it does, maybe somebody has it. Anyway, I discovered the source of the footage, it is from an old British TV series, I am thinking of getting in touch with the studio to ask them wether they have any more footage in the archive or even an old demo of the game they would be willing to part with for a reasonable amount of money - worth a shot or not?

[Hendricks266]

Yes, http://hendricks266....d3dbeta_art.php

High Treason, on 27 April 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

As for the version in the video existing, possibly it does, maybe somebody has it.

Yeah, that old CD that belongs to Joe Siegler is partly what I was referring to, but I also read that they still have the DNF 98 and 2001 "versions" stored away somewhere in "archives" or something along those lines.

High Treason, on 27 April 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Anyway, I discovered the source of the footage, it is from an old British TV series, I am thinking of getting in touch with the studio to ask them wether they have any more footage in the archive or even an old demo of the game they would be willing to part with for a reasonable amount of money - worth a shot or not?

Absolutely. Go for it.

[Diaz]

High Treason, on 26 April 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

Oh, man, that medkit is freaky - in fact, now you mention it, it looks like a pack of cans, they could be coca-cola though

The medkit is called SIXPAK in .con code, so I bet that's what it is indeed...

[Hendricks266]

There are Coca-Cola cans in LameDuke, at least in the art.





There is also a can spinning on its side but I didn't feel like aligning the art to the correct offsets to make an animation.

[Come On And Slam]

Hendricks266, on 28 April 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

There are Coca-Cola cans in LameDuke, at least in the art.





There is also a can spinning on its side but I didn't feel like aligning the art to the correct offsets to make an animation.

Those cans were in Lameduke, and were used as health. There are some in the beginning of E2L1...I think...

[Hendricks266]

Anyone who has played Duke 1 and 2 should know the purpose of the Coca-Cola cans.

[Come On And Slam]

Hendricks266, on 30 April 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Anyone who has played Duke 1 and 2 should know the purpose of the Coca-Cola cans.

I'd vote you up, but I'm not allowed. So here's a picture of thumbs up instead!

[Renegado]

Since I was a kid and Duke3D wasn't out yet I remember watching some preview images in a magazine including one with a naked chick in a bed wich I wasn't able to find again for years even in the old slideshows included in the Apogee cds... until yesterday. Someone else remembers this preview image? I'm uploading the whole article I found since it has more unseen shots.

[Lunick]

Oh wow, wow wow wow, look at those screenshots.

[High Treason]

Those are amazing, it certainly seems the game was meant to have stronger nudity at one point. This also has some BETA cheats listed, like DNGODLY.

While I am here, I suppose I'll share some more of the stuff Zummone pointed out - all props to him, he's the one that found this stuff.

Firstly, issue 132 of Computer Gaming World, on Page 86.
Page 86, Page 88 and Page 90... Where's the rest of the text?


Secondly, this is apparently in the source code;

#ifdef ONELEVELDEMO
          puts("DUKE NUKEM 3D SINGLE-LEVEL PROMOTIONAL EDITION\n");
          puts("This single-level promotional edition of Duke Nukem 3D (tm) may not be");
          puts("distributed domestically (North America) by any publication other than");
          puts("Computer Gaming World, a Ziff-Davis publication.  It is a promotional");
          puts("version, licensed for a single month's run, and may not be redistributed");
          puts("by any online service, BBS, commercial publisher, magazine or distributor.");
          puts("International distribution rights are reserved.\n");
          puts("Please read LICENSE.DOC for further information about this special version.");
          puts("NOTE: DUKE NUKEM 3D CONTAINS MATURE CONTENT.\n");
          puts("Press any key to continue.");
          getch();
      #endif

[Lunick]

Hmm, some of those images share the same from the one posted earlier.

Also the RPG is actually a BFG

[Fox]

I tracked the origin of the woman with boobs scan:
http://www.oldgames....-nukem-3d/docs/

There is plenty of early screenshots on this site, I am surprised nobody tried to look for more:
http://www.oldgames....vel-14/page/46/
http://www.oldgames....evel-14/page/8/

I will be looking for more content on the site.

[Lunick]

Police car

[High Treason]

I'm assuming you read the text as well, seriously, that's worth reading as there are some interesting snippets in there. Mostly where it talks about weaponry and the level order. That and the 3D Realms logo was red? Seriously, gray/blue shows up fine in the other screens even on the same page.

Edit: A couple of posts happened while I was writing. I wish I could read the writing in these other posts, but the screenshots are the main purpose and they are very nice.

[Fox]

These are the images I found interesting on the site:

[Lunick]

yes I'm still reading, there is lots of stuff to take in here.

[Simon_Croes]

Fox, on 01 May 2012 - 04:42 AM, said:

I tracked the origin of the woman with boobs scan:
http://www.oldgames....-nukem-3d/docs/

There is plenty of early screenshots on this site, I am surprised nobody tried to look for more:
http://www.oldgames....vel-14/page/46/
http://www.oldgames....evel-14/page/8/

I will be looking for more content on the site.

Hey my older brother had that magazine I think it's still laying around somewhere in his room. I was always impressed, when i was little, about those beta screens

[Hendricks266]

Simon_Croes, on 01 May 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

Hey my older brother had that magazine I think it's still laying around somewhere in his room. I was always impressed, when i was little, about those beta screens

A note to everyone:

If you have magazines with beta screenshots, scan them. (Please.)

[Hendricks266]

High Treason, on 01 May 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

Firstly, issue 132 of Computer Gaming World, on Page 86.
Page 86, Page 88 and Page 90... Where's the rest of the text?

There is a link to a full PDF which I have downloaded and will be investigating.

EDIT: This mag has some cool full-page ads for Terminal Velocity and ROTT.

EDIT: The "missing" pages 87, 89, 91-97 are full-page ads. I will look at the back of the mag for a "continued" section.

EDIT: Nope.

High Treason, on 01 May 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

Secondly, this is apparently in the source code;

#ifdef ONELEVELDEMO
          puts("DUKE NUKEM 3D SINGLE-LEVEL PROMOTIONAL EDITION\n");
          puts("This single-level promotional edition of Duke Nukem 3D (tm) may not be");
          puts("distributed domestically (North America) by any publication other than");
          puts("Computer Gaming World, a Ziff-Davis publication.  It is a promotional");
          puts("version, licensed for a single month's run, and may not be redistributed");
          puts("by any online service, BBS, commercial publisher, magazine or distributor.");
          puts("International distribution rights are reserved.\n");
          puts("Please read LICENSE.DOC for further information about this special version.");
          puts("NOTE: DUKE NUKEM 3D CONTAINS MATURE CONTENT.\n");
          puts("Press any key to continue.");
          getch();
      #endif

I would love to get my hands on this one-level demo. Does anyone have it?

[NY00123]

As usual, nice stuff to see!

Now that someone has mentioned the following, though...

Hendricks266, on 01 May 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

I would love to get my hands on this one-level demo. Does anyone have it?

...Well, it has just sounded a bit familiar to me.

Original source: http://www.classicdo...&t=802&start=60
Some download link from there: http://www.knightsan...vate/duke3d.zip

Looks like the exact same text you've quoted from the source code appears as you load the demo. (Unless I've missed something...)

Unfortunately for some, I'm not sure there's a lot to see: There's a background demo playback of E1L2, and you can only play E1L1 (more or less the same map found in v1.0-1.3d). If there is any other map internally (or other unused v1.0-1.3d contents), well, I haven't investigated.

[Hendricks266]

Awesome, thanks so much! It was only posted March 2nd, 2012 too. I know Litude (in passing) from Underground-Gamer. He does great collecting and organizing work on classic Apogee stuff and more.

[Simon_Croes]

Ah damn, sorry Hendricks266, I meant this. Seems that I quote the wrong post. Dunno why...
This is the magazine I got, the one in the link that High Treason posted:

http://www.cgwmuseum...95&pub=2&id=132

[Hendricks266]

Nah, no problem, you only reminded me of this, it wasn't meant for you specifically.

[Hendricks266]

NY00123, on 01 May 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

Unfortunately for some, I'm not sure there's a lot to see: There's a background demo playback of E1L2, and you can only play E1L1 (more or less the same map found in v1.0-1.3d). If there is any other map internally (or other unused v1.0-1.3d contents), well, I haven't investigated.

The README.DOC says this is a build of v1.1, which matches the file dates.

LameDuke: 1994-12-30
v0.99: 1996-01-04
v1.0: 1996-01-29
v1.1: 1996-02-20
v1.1 Computer Gaming World one-level demo: 1996-03-04
v1.3D Registered: 1996-04-19
v1.3D Shareware: 1996-04-24
v1.4: 1996-10-10
v1.5: 1996-12-11
Mac Shareware: 1997-07-04

Of the files in the zip, only DEFS.CON, DEMO1.DMO, DUKE3D.EXE, GAME.CON, LICENSE.DOC, and USER.CON are unique to this version when compared against v1.1 and v1.3D Shareware. (The GRP matches v1.1. ) The EXE, DMO, and LICENSE are obvious, but the CON files are of some interest considering they are partway between v1.1 and v1.3D. There is not too much of note, other than that you can see the progress being made between v1.1 and v1.3D. I bet there are changes to the EXE source code as well.

The only thing that stood out to me is the following:

DEFS.CON:define CYCLOIDSPRITE 29
DEFS.CON:define CYCLOIDAMMO 42
DEFS.CON:define CYCLOIDBLAST 1642
DEFS.CON:define CYCLOID 2510
DEFS.CON:define CYCLOID_WEAPON      7
GAME.CON:actor CYCLOIDAMMO
GAME.CON:        addammo CYCLOID_WEAPON CYCLOIDAMMOAMOUNT quote 14
GAME.CON:        ifspawnedby CYCLOIDAMMO state getcode
GAME.CON:actor CYCLOIDSPRITE
GAME.CON:        addweapon CYCLOID_WEAPON 48 quote 87
GAME.CON:        ifspawnedby CYCLOIDSPRITE state getweaponcode
GAME.CON:actor CYCLOIDBLAST FREEZETHROWER_WEAPON_STRENGTH enda
USER.CON:define MAXCYCLOIDAMMO           99
USER.CON:                MAXCYCLOIDAMMO MAXTRIPBOMBAMMO MAXFREEZEAMMO
USER.CON:define CYCLOIDAMMOAMOUNT        10
USER.CON:definequote 14        AMMO FOR CYCLOID
USER.CON:definequote 87        CYCLOID WEAPON

The Devastator was originally called the Cycloid Weapon, which makes logical sense.

When I compared the CON files I saw stuff removed that I had never seen before that interested me, so I will need to do a study of all the CON files from the versions at some point and add that to my website.

I think we can justify calling this the "true" v1.2.

[Jimmy]

You guys kick ass, some screenshots here I've never seen before and I have a huge Build and friends collection. I need to upload it on MediaFire.

[Fox]

There is also this:

state boss3lobbedstate
    ifcansee
    {
        ifactioncount 2 resetactioncount
        else ifactioncount 1 { ifcount 32 { } else ifcount 30 shoot RPG }
        else ifcount 64 ifrnd 16 state checkboss3seekstate
    }
    else state checkboss3seekstate
ends

state boss3shootenemy
    ifcount 72 state checkboss3seekstate
    else ifaction ABOSS3SHOOT ifactioncount 2
    {
        ifpdistg 2048 ai AIBOSS3LOBBED
        else
        {
            shoot SHOTSPARK1
            resetactioncount
        }
    }
ends

At this point the Overlord would also shoot bullets. If you check that screenshot of an early overlord (that I am using as avatar) he got some guns attached.