[gemeaux333]

jkas789, on 07 October 2020 - 12:26 PM, said:

This quote boggles my mind. The strippers and posters in Duke 3D could be considered sexists by today's standards. The fucking strippers bounce their tits around when you tip them money. Are you telling me that the strippers in DN3D are less offensive than the ones in the expansions? Steve Gibson is either a very paranoid git, a retarded soyboy or both.

Fucking hell even the complete Borderlands series that is at times woke as fuck could be considered racist, sexist, homophobic, ableist and I'm sure all the other 'ists. Mad moxxi alone is a walking virtual feminist nightmare.

I fucking hate modern PC culture.

From what I could gather, nobody really identify those elements in DC, but they are slightly more obvious in Life is a Beach with the "women in a rockingchair" animation (when you use the use key on them) or the "traditionnal dancer" cliche, they are considered one step ahead of what you can see in the vanilla game...

Actually Borderlands have LGBTQ+ representation since Borderlands 2 but yes its not completely free of these kind of contents...

And now Blizzard peoples are talking about adding LGBTQ+ representation in World of Warcraft...

[vini1264]

As for the collection with the DNF betas included, I think gearbox have to make a deal with 2K/Take Two to distribute them, also they have to pay a license to Epic Games I guess because it's using Unreal Engine 1.

[gemeaux333]

The real problem come from 2K because they will give nothing for free !

[NNC]

I'm wondering if there are any betas for World Tour. Were there any ideas other than the final levels?

As for the betas, I think the most interesting ones would be the final ones where the game is familiar, but the levels have their alternative rooms. Like the garage in E1L2 or the final room in E1L5.

[vini1264]

I don't think World Tour have enough content for beta content, Early versions of Duke Nukem 3D and Forever are the most interesting

[Hendricks266]

gemeaux333, on 08 October 2020 - 07:38 AM, said:

The real problem come from 2K because they will give nothing for free !

This only applies to DNF, not Duke 3D.

[necroslut]

The Watchtower, on 08 October 2020 - 08:21 AM, said:

I'm wondering if there are any betas for World Tour. Were there any ideas other than the final levels?

As for the betas, I think the most interesting ones would be the final ones where the game is familiar, but the levels have their alternative rooms. Like the garage in E1L2 or the final room in E1L5.

The only thing I know that's been in one way or other "leaked" is the apparent earlier layout for the Coliseum level. In the original release, if had inaccessible rooms (with enemies -- that's how they were found originally) that clearly indicated some additional paths that had been removed (though only the connection paths had been removed -- most of the paths remained intact). It was changed in the patch so that the entirety of the extra paths were removed.

A "restored" version was uploaded on the Workshop, and I kinda felt it flowed better than the released version. Allen also mentions, in the commentary, that an early version of the Golden Gate level had the bridge raised (using some kind of SOS) rather than collapsed.

As for Duke 3D betas, it would be super exciting to explore those places that we've been shown only in screenshots but that aren't in the final game. Anything "fully cut" would also be really interesting.

[jkas789]

gemeaux333, on 08 October 2020 - 07:04 AM, said:

From what I could gather, nobody really identify those elements in DC, but they are slightly more obvious in Life is a Beach with the "women in a rockingchair" animation (when you use the use key on them) or the "traditionnal dancer" cliche, they are considered one step ahead of what you can see in the vanilla game...

Actually Borderlands have LGBTQ+ representation since Borderlands 2 but yes its not completely free of these kind of contents...

And now Blizzard peoples are talking about adding LGBTQ+ representation in World of Warcraft...

That is such a weird take from the publishers. In Duke Nukem 3D the second level you enter a strip club. The stripper babes are right there in your face and you can tip them. I can't possibly imagine the mental gymnastics needed to consider a stripper taking her shirt off and bouncing her almost naked tits for money less offensive to a girl rocking here bikini covered breasts as a tease. I suppose the dancing hawaiian girls was considered sexists and racist huh?

Weirdly enough I always found more disturbing/potentially offensive the babe you find surrounded by pig cops outside an abortion clinic. Specially if you consider the weird alien fetuses in a jar that you can find inside it. Really gave me a very uncomfortable feeling, but I guess that is what the devs were going for. After all shits not going to be all sunshine and rainbows if the aliens are killing men and stealing all the babes.

So yeah, PC culture is cancer.

Also isn't it in Borderlands 2 were you can collect risky photos of mad moxxi and captain scarlet? I also remember collecting panties as an achievement for the claptrap expansion in Borderlands 1. The LGBT-whatever content in the Borderlands series honestly never seemed honest to me. It always felt either as a joke or as just something to have to point and say "You see, we are for equality as well!"

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I'm wondering if there are any betas for World Tour. Were there any ideas other than the final levels?

As for the betas, I think the most interesting ones would be the final ones where the game is familiar, but the levels have their alternative rooms. Like the garage in E1L2 or the final room in E1L5.

I agree with vini1264 on this one. If a miracle happens I would love to see a release of the Duke 3D and DNF Betas a la Shadow Warrior. I have wasted so much time playing through them and marvelling at the evolution the game went throughout its development. I also like the fact that they used the Doom entrance door texture as a placeholder asset in one of the early version

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As for Duke 3D betas, it would be super exciting to explore those places that we've been shown only in screenshots but that aren't in the final game. Anything "fully cut" would also be really interesting.

I would definitely be down for a ULTIMATE DUKE NUKEM 3D with not only all the 5 Duke 3D levels plus expansions but also restored levels from the cutting room floor. Although I like the idea of a community ultimate DN3D Edition better to be honest.

Not gonna happen but I don't expect anything from Randy/Gearbox, and as High Treason said: "one can still dream". It's free.

[Jimmy]

Like I said before, they just make up whatever reasons they can to get people to stop asking about the expansions.

As for the abortion clinic, it's probably a reference to the abortion clinic bombings that were going on in the 90s, considering you could quite literally blow the abortion clinic up. Being that Duke3D was made in Texas.... I would imagine there would be quite a bit of conservative leaning there, especially if you factor in the commentary on O.J. Simpson which at the time was a somewhat controversial take, it wasn't commonly accepted that O.J. was guilty. (At least in the media, most people thought otherwise.) It got Norm MacDonald fired from SNL because he wouldn't stop saying O.J. was guilty. People forget how spicy Duke 3D was.

[jkas789]

Jimmy, on 08 October 2020 - 04:32 PM, said:

As for the abortion clinic, it's probably a reference to the abortion clinic bombings that were going on in the 90s, considering you could quite literally blow the abortion clinic up. Being that Duke3D was made in Texas.... I would imagine there would be quite a bit of conservative leaning there, especially if you factor in the commentary on O.J. Simpson which at the time was a somewhat controversial take, it wasn't commonly accepted that O.J. was guilty. (At least in the media, most people thought otherwise.) It got Norm MacDonald fired from SNL because he wouldn't stop saying O.J. was guilty. People forget how spicy Duke 3D was.

Oh shit they were bombing abortion clinics?! Regardless on which side of the argument you are that sounds fucking extreme. Also was the O.J. Simpson case that controversial? Duke 3D came out in 1996 right? I was a 3 year old taco boy at that time so I don't have any context for how spicy Duke Nukem 3D was. I kinda figured from the comments I have read over the years on different forums but I never knew frankly.

[gemeaux333]

Hendricks266, on 08 October 2020 - 09:37 AM, said:

This only applies to DNF, not Duke 3D.

This is what I was meant to say !
Randy Pitchford is still working on making available both the 2001 build of DNF and the expansions for Duke Nukem 3D
For the Duke Nukem 3D expansions I guess he just have to find the right words to convince Steve Gibson to go forward... such as :

For the 2001 build of DNF he feel a little bit discouraged because 2K gives nothing for free and he feel it is not what peoples expect from it : "the perfect version of the game that was only wrong for never having been released"
Personnally I know there's some talented peoples with the necessary endeavor who would like to have it in their hands to fix/imporve it...

But I have no doubt we will get them both in due time, maybe sooner than we expect

[Hendricks266]

gemeaux333, on 09 October 2020 - 07:28 AM, said:

Nothing in the expansions needs such a disclaimer.

[Jimmy]

jkas789, on 08 October 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

Oh shit they were bombing abortion clinics?! Regardless on which side of the argument you are that sounds fucking extreme.

Yeah, it wasn't super common. There was actually only one bombing in the 90s before Duke3D came out, but there had been a few going back to the 70s too. I'm anti-abortion myself but I agree that it's an extreme/incorrect way to deal with the situation. But I could see how someone who doesn't have the best mental faculties could justify their actions because they perceive abortion as genocide. Doesn't excuse it, but I can see why crazies react that way. Thankfully its a rare thing, but it has been a prominent social issue since the 70s.

jkas789, on 08 October 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

Also was the O.J. Simpson case that controversial? Duke 3D came out in 1996 right? I was a 3 year old taco boy at that time so I don't have any context for how spicy Duke Nukem 3D was. I kinda figured from the comments I have read over the years on different forums but I never knew frankly.

I wasn't much older than you at the time but I've always been grounded in past American culture for whatever reason. The Juice was huge in the late 80s, early 90s. It's kind of hard to see that today because he's more of an infamous figure, but he was a major icon at the time. He was a beloved football star and then he pivoted into being a movie star. He'd probably still be huge if that shit didn't happen. The O.J. Trial was probably the first real 24/7 media circus that we know so well today. You couldn't go anywhere without hearing about it. I remember it, it was off the walls. Then of course because O.J. was black and his wife was white, race got mixed into things. Certain parts of the Left and the media tried to play the story off as a black man being framed for something he didn't do, and certain parts of the Right and the media tried to play it off as if he was the Devil himself just waiting to kill again. The whole thing just blew up, and you had to be on the "right side of history."

As for spiciness, naturally you've got the O.J. stuff, the smut and near pornographic aspects of the game, the ultra violent nature (more than Doom or Mortal Kombat), the perceived violent/sexual abuse of women, the dirty language and irreverent humor, glorification of guns, etc etc All now tame by today's standards, but it got a lot of shit at the time. Especially as the N64 games and action figures started to come out, soft "think of the children!" groups got very grumpy toward Duke specifically. The Politically Correct have a grudge against Duke to this day.

[NNC]

gemeaux333, on 09 October 2020 - 07:28 AM, said:

This is what I was meant to say !
Randy Pitchford is still working on making available both the 2001 build of DNF and the expansions for Duke Nukem 3D
For the Duke Nukem 3D expansions I guess he just have to find the right words to convince Steve Gibson to go forward... such as :

For the 2001 build of DNF he feel a little bit discouraged because 2K gives nothing for free and he feel it is not what peoples expect from it : "the perfect version of the game that was only wrong for never having been released"
Personnally I know there's some talented peoples with the necessary endeavor who would like to have it in their hands to fix/imporve it...

But I have no doubt we will get them both in due time, maybe sooner than we expect

WTF is this post?

[jkas789]

Huh. I really should study past American culture more. The social/political climate of the 90s sounds interesting AF. I know the basics, but really more as it related to Mexican history. Thanks Jimmy.


But back on topic I don't really think Duke nukem 3D (and its expansions) needs a content/trigger warning screen gemeaux333. Heck I would argue old Warner brothers cartoons don't need it either (Fun fact, the removal of Speedy Gonzales was seeing as such an affront by my fellow mexicans that the public outcry forced WB to return Speedy to the TV. He is that popular of a character over here!).

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For the 2001 build of DNF he feel a little bit discouraged because 2K gives nothing for free and he feel it is not what peoples expect from it : "the perfect version of the game that was only wrong for never having been released"
Personally I know there's some talented peoples with the necessary endeavor who would like to have it in their hands to fix/improve it...

I agree with this partially. I think that while the 2001 build will be better than final DNF, it will end up disappointing people in the end. It has being such a long time and the community has hyped it so much that I don't see its release ending well. The community could certainly try and improve/modify the build but at that point would it even be the same game that was envisioned in 2001?

I was a true believer before as well however I now think that it is better to let sleeping dogs lie.

[NNC]

I was in Mexico last year, they LOVED Speedy Gonzales (despite the character being very poorly designed compared to other Warner characters like Bugs, Daffy, Foghorn, etc.). Neobolshevists think they know better what hurts than the involved people.

As for the expansions:
- DukeDC used the original characters and Duke had to save a democrat president.
- Caribbean used shiny caribbean weapons and some seaside versions of the original characters.
- Nuclear Winter used Santa and other shitty things from the winter holiday season.
- Plug and Pray used the original characters and some PSX game versions of Pigcops and it spoofed the video games of the era.

Please point me what is offensive in these expansions.

[Jimmy]

jkas789, on 09 October 2020 - 11:14 AM, said:

Huh. I really should study past American culture more. The social/political climate of the 90s sounds interesting AF. I know the basics, but really more as it related to Mexican history. Thanks Jimmy.

No prob dude. Honestly, the 90s are the best period of my lifetime for the country. It had it's unique struggles sure, but ever since 9/11 this country has just been a fractal expanding mega funhouse hall of mirrors nightmare. My generation has been fucked economically for 20 years. The 90s were good times. Do you feel the same for Mexico? I only visited your country once, when I was about five or six years old. So maybe 1997 or thereabouts. My family decided it would be good for us to walk across the border and see how things are there. It has always stuck with me, I know the border is not representative of the entire country, but the abject poverty I saw there saddened me. I know that in that area it's mostly because of sociopolitical things. I've always wanted to go back and explore more of the country, especially farther from the border. I live on the east coast of the USA so it's quite a trip for me, I've never been even so far as the midwest. I've always had a great affection for Mexico though, and really I find it a great failing of our leadership that we don't do more to support yall as friends.

jkas789, on 09 October 2020 - 11:14 AM, said:

But back on topic I don't really think Duke nukem 3D (and its expansions) needs a content/trigger warning screen gemeaux333. Heck I would argue old Warner brothers cartoons don't need it either (Fun fact, the removal of Speedy Gonzales was seeing as such an affront by my fellow mexicans that the public outcry forced WB to return Speedy to the TV. He is that popular of a character over here!).

These people just want everyone to eat porridge because they can't chew steak themselves. Their heads would explode if they had to spend ten minutes taking in non-Western culture. Even the gendered nature of Spanish and Portuguese triggers these goofballs.

[Aleks]

So, the Guilty/Innocent banners are for OJ Simpson? Never gave it much thought, but it would make sense. Same for the abortion clinic - I've never even realised this building in LA Rumble was abortion clinic, had to check it in Mapster to see and indeed there are these devil fetuses and surgical equipment, so again I guess that's some subtle easter egg on quite a heavy topic.

Considering how Duke is an archetypic 80's, maybe early 90's movie hero and his character pretty much is based on this "overly manly man" attitude, censoring him seems completely dumb. The game isn't more violent that other games of the time, and sexual content could be easily avoided with parental lock (dunno how it applied to Duke Caribbean). Good thing the game's not popular enough for raging protesters to chomp on...

Saw this few months ago - I guess poor Gene Roddenberry would be turning over in his grave seeing where the society has headed about 50 years later:

[Jimmy]

Aleks, on 09 October 2020 - 03:17 PM, said:

So, the Guilty/Innocent banners are for OJ Simpson?

Yeah, there's also the famous Bronco slow speed car chase in the Red Light District bar area and the bloody glove is on a table in Pigsty. Very subtle references that might seem excessive today, but like I said, that trial was nonstop culturally.

[jkas789]

In relation to this

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I was in Mexico last year, they LOVED Speedy Gonzales (despite the character being very poorly designed compared to other Warner characters like Bugs, Daffy, Foghorn, etc.). Neobolshevists think they know better what hurts than the involved people.

and this

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Even the gendered nature of Spanish and Portuguese triggers these goofballs.

How dare you The Watchtower! Speedy Gonzalez is beautiful and along with Goku from Dragonball Z he has become one of our top ten animated characters. Also it is funny seeing american social media like disney pushing stuff like latinx. Nobody uses that word, and it has the benefit of being racists as well. Truly being able to slam people for using the word latinx and calling them racists for once always make my day.

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The 90s were good times. Do you feel the same for Mexico?

Of course not. The 90s started at the end of Salinas de Gortari's presidency and it has all been downhill from there. Not that anything before Gortari was good. Even the mexican miracle was always destined to burst.

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It has always stuck with me, I know the border is not representative of the entire country, but the abject poverty I saw there saddened me...and really I find it a great failing of our leadership that we don't do more to support yall as friends.

Not all but a good part of it. Also if it was in my hands I would have requested a US intervention long ago, optics be damned. As someone who has experienced the "tender" mercies of the rural mexican countryside and its narco friends (the mexican medical social service can sometimes be like playing russian roulette) I would be all in for a drone strike on those assholes.

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Plug and Pray used the original characters and some PSX game versions of Pigcops and it spoofed the video games of the era.

It would be interesting if in a potential ultimate remaster of Duke 3D they also decided to remaster Plug n' Pray. Which isn't all that bad IMO. And would be definitely included in my hypothetical community driven ultimate Duke Nukem 3D Collection

[NNC]

Aleks, on 09 October 2020 - 03:17 PM, said:

Same for the abortion clinic - I've never even realised this building in LA Rumble was abortion clinic, had to check it in Mapster to see and indeed there are these devil fetuses and surgical equipment, so again I guess that's some subtle easter egg on quite a heavy topic.

Or just Levelord's weaker characterization of his places. You would never know Raw Meat takes place in an oriental restaurant without the various banners around. Or Bank Roll takes place around an actual bank. Even Shop-N-Bag, which was captain obvious didn't manage to get the true sense of an actual supermarket. Not to mention World Tour's Russia and France, which could have been random Los Angeles areas as well. Not that the levels play bad or even look bad. LA Rumble is friggin' awesome. But Levelord rarely put effort on giving the player a sense of place. Just compare them to Hollywood Holocaust's cinema or Duke Burger's junk food restaurant. Or the postal in Going Postal.

I wish Duke had an official level around a hospital/clinic btw. Conrad Coldwood's hospital level had amazing new assets, and it looks like an actual hospital, but the gameplay was really bland and it had some backtrackking issues too.

[NNC]

jkas789, on 09 October 2020 - 04:25 PM, said:

It would be interesting if in a potential ultimate remaster of Duke 3D they also decided to remaster Plug n' Pray. Which isn't all that bad IMO. And would be definitely included in my hypothetical community driven ultimate Duke Nukem 3D Collection

Yeah, it's baffling they always talk about 3 expansions when for real there are 4. And putting the assets of PnP into the main corpus is much easier than the ones of Caribbean and NW. Also PnP is much better than NW, and I would place it ahead of DC as well as DC lacked the typical fast paced gameplay of classic Duke while PnP nailed the style.

[Jimmy]

jkas789, on 09 October 2020 - 04:25 PM, said:

Also it is funny seeing american social media like disney pushing stuff like latinx. Nobody uses that word, and it has the benefit of being racists as well. Truly being able to slam people for using the word latinx and calling them racists for once always make my day.

It is a truly bizarre thing and peak whitesplaining.

jkas789, on 09 October 2020 - 04:25 PM, said:

Of course not. The 90s started at the end of Salinas de Gortari's presidency and it has all been downhill from there. Not that anything before Gortari was good. Even the mexican miracle was always destined to burst.

Not all but a good part of it. Also if it was in my hands I would have requested a US intervention long ago, optics be damned. As someone who has experienced the "tender" mercies of the rural mexican countryside and its narco friends (the mexican medical social service can sometimes be like playing russian roulette) I would be all in for a drone strike on those assholes.

I was genuinely curious. I seriously doubt there's a way to find unbiased English based information on Mexico in the 80s, 90s, but I'm pretty up to snuff on current events there usually. Without straying much farther off-topic, it seems we have pretty similar opinions on what should be done to get rid of the cartels/narcos. It's a problem for both of our countries and the US Government is partially responsible, so it's fair for us to help I think. Seems like people in both governments benefit too much from the cartels and human trafficking and all that shit, which is why it never gets fixed.

The Watchtower, on 10 October 2020 - 12:24 AM, said:

I wish Duke had an official level around a hospital/clinic btw. Conrad Coldwood's hospital level had amazing new assets, and it looks like an actual hospital, but the gameplay was really bland and it had some backtrackking issues too.

Yeah, it's a great level but kind of a slog.

The Watchtower, on 10 October 2020 - 12:29 AM, said:

Yeah, it's baffling they always talk about 3 expansions when for real there are 4. And putting the assets of PnP into the main corpus is much easier than the ones of Caribbean and NW. Also PnP is much better than NW, and I would place it ahead of DC as well as DC lacked the typical fast paced gameplay of classic Duke while PnP nailed the style.

Incorporating PnP into the base game is not impossible or really even that much work for someone who knows what they're doing, but therein lies the problem: The people that should do it don't have the ability, and they're not going to pay anyone to do it either.

[Aleks]

The Watchtower, on 10 October 2020 - 12:24 AM, said:

Or just Levelord's weaker characterization of his places. You would never know Raw Meat takes place in an oriental restaurant without the various banners around. Or Bank Roll takes place around an actual bank. Even Shop-N-Bag, which was captain obvious didn't manage to get the true sense of an actual supermarket. Not to mention World Tour's Russia and France, which could have been random Los Angeles areas as well. Not that the levels play bad or even look bad. LA Rumble is friggin' awesome. But Levelord rarely put effort on giving the player a sense of place. Just compare them to Hollywood Holocaust's cinema or Duke Burger's junk food restaurant. Or the postal in Going Postal.

Raw Meat does have a lot of oriental restaurant's assets actually, so this one was quite recognizable for me from the start (or maybe it's just the fact that I played the level as a kid, way before ever visiting a sushi restaurant - so now sushi restaurants have the Raw Meat feeling for me? ). Same for Bank Roll, the bank kinda stands out. And Shop-N-Bag too actually, but this might be mostly due to new textures all over the place. Of all the things in E3, mostly stuff in Fahrenheit and LA Rumble looks quite generic. But on the other hand, the levels you mentioned have far more obvious sense of place.

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I wish Duke had an official level around a hospital/clinic btw. Conrad Coldwood's hospital level had amazing new assets, and it looks like an actual hospital, but the gameplay was really bland and it had some backtrackking issues too.

Don't know this one, but I remember "Emergency Room" and, most notably, "Dukem Memorial Hospital" from Billy Boy that were both quite good hospital-themed maps. Both are available on MSDN.

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Yeah, there's also the famous Bronco slow speed car chase in the Red Light District bar area and the bloody glove is on a table in Pigsty. Very subtle references that might seem excessive today, but like I said, that trial was nonstop culturally.

Ah yeah, I knew the car chase scene reference actually, forgot it's there. Never noticed the bloody glove though, just checked and it might be due to bad quality of the sprite - to be honest I could never tell what is it.

[gemeaux333]

jkas789, on 09 October 2020 - 11:14 AM, said:

I agree with this partially. I think that while the 2001 build will be better than final DNF, it will end up disappointing people in the end. It has being such a long time and the community has hyped it so much that I don't see its release ending well. The community could certainly try and improve/modify the build but at that point would it even be the same game that was envisioned in 2001?

I was a true believer before as well however I now think that it is better to let sleeping dogs lie.

Agree, the 2001 build must represent 10% (at best) of what the actual game was meant to be, more like a tech demo with more content and gameplay but levels not even bound to each other (just like was the final version of DNF at the time Gearbox got the rights, but the final build of DNF had more content and gamelay in comparison to the 2001 build), the trailer was great but it was like being a film director directing the camera on the most polished/finished angles of the sets (because this is what a film director do understandably)

jkas789, on 09 October 2020 - 04:25 PM, said:

It would be interesting if in a potential ultimate remaster of Duke 3D they also decided to remaster Plug n' Pray. Which isn't all that bad IMO. And would be definitely included in my hypothetical community driven ultimate Duke Nukem 3D Collection

Sure it would be interesting to remaster Plug 'n Pray, the main problem this far is that everytimes some fans tried to recreate the Plug n' Pray levels (they had to recreate them from scratch each time) the right-owners where here to stop them... the only way to get them would be the legal path

[Dan]

The Watchtower, on 09 October 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

As for the expansions:
- DukeDC used the original characters and Duke had to save a democrat president.
- Caribbean used shiny caribbean weapons and some seaside versions of the original characters.
- used Santa and other shitty things from the winter holiday season.
- Plug and Pray used the original characters and some PSX game versions of Pigcops and it spoofed the video games of the era.

Please point me what is offensive in these expansions.

I would say the whole "Feminist Elven Militia" from Nuclear Winter wouldn't fly today.

[Phredreeke]

I don't think most people would mind if the next official release didn't include Nuclear Winter if it included the two Sunstorm expansions.

gemeaux333, on 10 October 2020 - 07:25 AM, said:

Sure it would be interesting to remaster Plug 'n Pray, the main problem this far is that everytimes some fans tried to recreate the Plug n' Pray levels (they had to recreate them from scratch each time) the right-owners where here to stop them... the only way to get them would be the legal path

When did that happen? I know at least three recreations of the Plug n Pray maps (the last one even using textures ripped from the PS1 game) and that's not counting the Duke Total Meltdown TC which includes all the levels and artwork from episodes 1-3 as well (in its downgraded PS1 form)

[Jimmy]

gemeaux333, on 10 October 2020 - 07:25 AM, said:

Sure it would be interesting to remaster Plug 'n Pray, the main problem this far is that everytimes some fans tried to recreate the Plug n' Pray levels (they had to recreate them from scratch each time) the right-owners where here to stop them... the only way to get them would be the legal path

Phredreeke, on 10 October 2020 - 08:47 AM, said:

IWhen did that happen? I know at least three recreations of the Plug n Pray maps (the last one even using textures ripped from the PS1 game) and that's not counting the Duke Total Meltdown TC which includes all the levels and artwork from episodes 1-3 as well (in its downgraded PS1 form)

It didn't happen. Just another example of Gemeaux being absolutely full of shit.