[Balls of Steel Forever]

Forge, on 08 July 2020 - 07:58 AM, said:

Generally I also think in order to vote you should be have to either be a tax paying property owner, or sign up for selective service and be draft eligible.

I honestly think that or shouldn't belong there, unless you are deemed unfit for service, the only way you should be allowed to vote is if you are draft eligible.

In my personal opinion, if you display you are not willing to invest something into your country or die for it i.e. serve in the military, Tennessee river valley authority or similar, park service, or peace corps, there's no way in fuck you should be a able to vote.

Forge, on 10 July 2020 - 07:20 AM, said:

as long as they bought it with money they earned & not from a government handout



apples and oranges
we're parasites on a mother or test tube for the first several months of our life
we're parasites on plants for sustenance and the air we breath
etc
etc

legit handicapped people that aren't capable of self-support shouldn't be excluded from a vote. Neither should leaders of non-profit organizations or church leaders that actually provide legit charitable services like food banks and soup kitchens.
There are other exceptions, but fully capable people that choose to be a burden deserve no say.

Signing up for selective service is supposed to be mandatory anyway. Extending that requirement to women and 'other' should not be that big of an issue.
Felons lose their voting privilege because of the choices they made, same should apply to those that chose to be 'draft dodging' parasites.

I agree.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Can some of you die for your country already?

[Forge]

thricecursed, on 10 July 2020 - 01:15 PM, said:

Can some of you die for your country already?

BoSF already served his country.
He has my respect, and the respect of many others.
Suggesting he has to die for it in order to validate his opinion is pretty rude.

[Danukem]

Forge, on 10 July 2020 - 03:16 PM, said:

Suggesting he has to die for it in order to validate his opinion is pretty rude.

He's not saying that dying would validate our opinions. He's saying that he wants us to die, period. Our opinions would still be invalid regardless.

[Aristotle Gumball]

“Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”

― Henry Kissinger

[Forge]

thricecursed, on 10 July 2020 - 08:49 PM, said:

“Military men are animals

[Balls of Steel Forever]

thricecursed, on 10 July 2020 - 08:49 PM, said:

“Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”

― Henry Kissinger

Military men are "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy.

Kissinger has denied saying it.

The only evidence that Kissinger ever said this was a claim in the book, The Final Days, by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, in chapter 14 (p.194 in the 1995 paperback edition). Woodward & Bernstein claimed that one of Kissinger's political foes, Alexander Haig, had told someone unnamed, that he (Haig) had heard Kissinger say it. That's triple hearsay, made even weaker by the fact that one of the parties is anonymous. Kissinger has denied ever saying it, and it was never substantiated by Haig, nor by anyone of known identity who claimed to have heard it. As Kirkus Reviews noted about the whole book, "none of it is substantiated in any assessable way."

In fact, the quote is not even very plausible, on its face. Kissinger served with distinction in the U.S. Army during WWII, and was awarded the Bronze Star. He has always been very respectful of other servicemen and their sacrifices. For him to have said such a thing would have been wildly out of character. In fact, the awkward phrasing doesn't even sound like Kissinger, whose English prose is consistently measured and careful, despite his heavy accent, even when he speaks extemporaneously.

[Aristotle Gumball]

@Balls - Show me where Kissinger denied saying it. (fucking LOL, you were just copy pasting from wikiquote)

One of the questions on Dan's test could be "do you think that serving your country means serving in the military?"

Anyone who answers yes is removed from society and placed in a subterranean vault to be preserved for the future generations, so they can see what the primitives looked like.

Do you retards think you live in Sparta or something? No one is invading your asses (no, that's what America does). So go ahead and die for a useless cause cooked up by people who deem you less than human.

Forge, how many ragheads did you murder in Iraq? Were any of them kids?

[Danukem]

Forge, on 10 July 2020 - 07:20 AM, said:

Signing up for selective service is supposed to be mandatory anyway. Extending that requirement to women and 'other' should not be that big of an issue.
Felons lose their voting privilege because of the choices they made, same should apply to those that chose to be 'draft dodging' parasites.

Signing up for selective service simply means that you put yourself on the list of those available to be drafted into the military, should there be a draft. Male citizens are supposed to do it. I did it. I have not served a day in my life. The U.S.A hasn't had a draft in over 45 years, and will continue to have an all-volunteer military for the foreseeable future.

So, when Forge says that citizens ought to sign up for selective service in order to have the right to vote, he is talking about being on the potential draft list, not actually serving in the military.

This post is directed at thricecursed because he is not from the USA and does not seem to understand what Forge said.

[Danukem]

thricecursed, on 10 July 2020 - 09:16 PM, said:

Forge, how many ragheads did you murder in Iraq? Were any of them kids?

I'm sick and tired of your blatant hicopocrisy. You complain about this forum needing to be cleaned up, but lately you are the worst offender.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Signing yourself up for the draft is signing yourself up to whatever excuse your government can come up with in order to enter armed conflict (which doesn't mean there aren't sometimes legitimate reasons). The draft itself is a gross violation of human dignity. We have it here. I went through it (1 year of active duty, now reservist).

Making that the deciding factor of whether someone can vote or not is the height of stupidity. It's really the last on the list of what being a productive and patriotic citizen means. Once you're at the stage that there needs to be a draft, you've already lost. Everyone must do their part so it doesn't come to that.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

thricecursed, on 10 July 2020 - 09:16 PM, said:

@Balls - Show me where Kissinger denied saying it. (fucking LOL, you were just copy pasting from wikiquote)

Show me proof that someone that earned a bronze star would say such a thing.

thricecursed, on 10 July 2020 - 09:16 PM, said:

Do you retards think you live in Sparta or something? No one is invading your asses (no, that's what America does). So go ahead and die for a useless cause cooked up by people who deem you less than human.

I said you have to be willing to invest in your country or die for it.

Even investing a certain amount in the nation willingly through bonds, should award you the right to vote.

And I mentioned several other alternatives to the military which do not involve being a "pawn".

I served because I believed my family owed a huge debt to this country, because without this nation, my family would've been homeless for a large number of years. So I firmly believed and still believe that in order to repay such a debt, my country, could do what it wanted with me.

thricecursed, on 10 July 2020 - 09:16 PM, said:

Forge, how many ragheads did you murder in Iraq? Were any of them kids?

Have you been raped?
Did you enjoy it?

thricecursed, on 10 July 2020 - 09:16 PM, said:

Do you retards think you live in Sparta or something? No one is invading your asses (no, that's what America does). So go ahead and die for a useless cause cooked up by people who deem you less than human.

If you prick us, do we not bleed?

[Aristotle Gumball]

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 10 July 2020 - 10:41 PM, said:

Show me proof that someone that earned a bronze star would say such a thing.

What does it matter what star somebody got? Kissinger was a psychopath who gloated about overthrowing democracies. That's hardly the worst thing he's said and it fits neatly into his overall repertoire. Generally however it's indicative of the reigning mentality in the corridors of power. Tim Mcveigh also had a Bronze Star (read what he thought about the US military). I'm sure you can find a serial killer with one.

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 10 July 2020 - 10:41 PM, said:

I said you have to be willing to invest in your country or die for it.

Even investing a certain amount in the nation willingly through bonds, should award you the right to vote.

And I mentioned several other alternatives to the military which do not involve being a "pawn".

I'm more or less reacting to Forge, but there are many more ways of investing in your country. Military service shouldn't even be included. What you choose to die for is your own personal choice and no authority figure should have a say in it.

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 10 July 2020 - 10:41 PM, said:

So I firmly believed and still believe that in order to repay such a debt, my country, could do what it wanted with me.

You're not repaying anything by entering a machine that merely sees you as a number. I get the logic, but it's wrong. You'll accomplish and contribute more by getting past your inferiority complex.

Patriotism is loyalty to the country, not the government which changes every 4 years. The country is the people.

Do you have or are you currently pursuing an education? Make something useful of yourself.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

thricecursed, on 10 July 2020 - 11:33 PM, said:

Do you have or are you currently pursuing an education? Make something useful of yourself.

I don't think you understand what treatment resistant schizophrenia is, so I'm going to lay it out for you as you seem to need some basic education yourself.

First off, I rate disability, not because I am unable to work per së, but because if I did work, and I had a psychotic break that day, or forgot to take my sleeping pills for the past 2 or 3, I could hurt myself severely, or I could severely maim somebody else. I'm a huge, walking, liability. And that is the main reason I go into hiding when I'm having a psychotic break.

Next, my symptoms are not solely thinking I am Cartaphilus, my other delusion is thinking that everyone is out to get me, partly due to having previously being stalked, along with my Uber driver saving me from being raped, I used to carry a ka bar around due to this, until it was taken away, and that's probably a good thing.

Thirdly, I can't read or focus for much more than a page, I constantly hear voices that tell me to kill or hurt myself in various ways and do the same to others, by constant, I mean on a loop, every second of every day except when I sleep.

I see nightmares in front of me, dead bodies burning, hear screams, me cutting and hacking away at myself over and over and over again, me hanging by the neck from the rafters while there's a fire burning beneath it. Seeing "hell" and "the devil" or a vague shadowy figure that seems evil.

Some positivish hallucinations, are of a former friend (still alive, we just had our differences) a black wisp which is just there, and my cat, whom I love.

Again my disorder is deemed treatment resistant, and even under heavy or extreme sedation (at one point my dosage was 3 times the recommended maximum) very little changes.

So in truth, I can't work, and even though my education would be paid for in full, it is of no use to me, as my focus is gone, and I would waste my time completely.

thricecursed, on 10 July 2020 - 11:33 PM, said:

your inferiority complex.

As a devout christian, I believe everyone deserves hell, and should go to it.

So, in essence, I believe I am everyone's equal, no matter what I say, or what I do.

[Aristotle Gumball]

You've done this before where you start detailing your case history when someone is arguing against your logic. You wrote that you still believe that in order to repay your "family's debt", your country could do what it wanted with you. All I'm saying is, if you wanted to repay your country, do it through productivity. Make something useful of your life.

You're 21 and you seemingly spend quite a bit of time online. There are a number of things you could be doing with that time, like learning how to program. Many jobs these days can be done from home.

I'm a software developer for example and have been working from home since May, going until September. But I never really have to stay in the office.

If you're artistic, you can learn graphic design. Make music. Anything, dude. The internet is full of free tutorials.

I've had friends with severe schizophrenia and one of them sadly passed away 2 years ago. She dealt with very similar issues as you, but she didn't just give up. Are you gonna spend the next 50 years sulking?

Anyway, you see what I mean? The argument you presented is "only people who invest in the country should be allowed to vote", and then you offered up mostly armed forces related options. So if you like, I can make the point more general and less personal: in general, don't fucking join the army if you want to help your country, unless you're completely destitute and are hoping they'll pay your tuition once you get out (if you get out). Don't join for stupid reasons.

PS: I linked Mcveigh's essay in my previous post.

PPS: I really don't buy that you're suffering this much and yet manage to read posts/articles and respond coherently. If you can read, you can learn. If you can learn, you can do things. It might be hard, but that's life.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

thricecursed, on 11 July 2020 - 12:27 AM, said:

You've done this before where you start detailing your case history when someone is arguing against your logic. You wrote that you still believe that in order to repay your "family's debt", your country could do what it wanted with you. All I'm saying is, if you wanted to repay your country, do it through productivity. Make something useful of your life.

You're 21 and you seemingly spend quite a bit of time online. There are a number of things you could be doing with that time, like learning how to program. Many jobs these days can be done from home.

I'm a software developer for example and have been working from home since May, going until September. But I never really have to stay in the office.

If you're artistic, you can learn graphic design. Make music. Anything, dude. The internet is full of free tutorials.

I've had friends with severe schizophrenia and one of them sadly passed away 2 years ago. She dealt with very similar issues as you, but she didn't just give up. Are you gonna spend the next 50 years sulking?

Anyway, you see what I mean? The argument you presented is "only people who invest in the country should be allowed to vote", and then you offered up mostly armed forces related options. So if you like, I can make the point more general and less personal: in general, don't fucking join the army if you want to help your country, unless you're completely destitute and are hoping they'll pay your tuition once you get out (if you get out). Don't join for stupid reasons.

PS: I linked Mcveigh's essay in my previous post.

PPS: I really don't buy that you're suffering this much and yet manage to read posts/articles and respond coherently. If you can read, you can learn. If you can learn, you can do things. It might be hard, but that's life.

I used to read Dostoyevsky, Nietzsche, and Wilde, now I struggle to read junji Ito.

The idea that I could program when I couldn't get past the introduction, means you think I am lying to you.

Here's a link of me talking to my lawyer about increasing my disability rating.

http://imgur.com/a/JPTgC1f

I rate 100% disability by the VA, which means this.
"Total occupational and social impairment, due to such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought processes or communication; persistent delusions or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; persistent danger of hurting self or others; intermittent inability to perform activities of daily living (including maintenance of minimal personal hygiene); disorientation to time or place; memory loss for names of close relatives, own occupation, or own name."

So you can choose to believe me or not, but the VA in this country usually enjoys fucking people over.

I am not sulking whatsoever, I am enjoying my life in the ways that I see fit. I have hobbies, tinkering with fight sticks, dabbling with pixel art, playing enya at 2:48 in the morning.

I enjoy life very much.

I used to hate it but learned that even though my life may be shit, everyone else also has a life full of shit, and all we can do, like Camus said, is accept our fate and smile.

The whole attitude that work or being "productive" is what makes a human being worth something is absolutely bullshit.

Life has no intrinsic value, it is up to you to give your own life value, right now, texting what little friends I have pictures of my cat, helping others on psychotic related subreddits, spending time with family, listening to enya, upgrading my fight stick, playing snk games, playing Pac man, playing Duke Nukem, and talking on this forum, may sound sad to you, but it gives my life value.

I like it the way it is.

I like being free of the chains that bind you.

Society will one day evolve to the point where the chains that bind most, facets of consumerism, work, etc. will cease to exist, the way that I see it, I'm already at that point.

I can live in my car go wherever I want, do whatever I want, and I plan on doing just that.

Also I don't know if you are unable to glance over webpages like I do, but the Tennesee river valley authority, peace corps, park service, have little or nothing to do with the military.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 11 July 2020 - 02:15 AM, said:

Also I don't know if you are unable to glance over webpages like I do, but the Tennesee river valley authority, peace corps, park service, have little or nothing to do with the military.

I don't get why you need to be involved in any of these to be able to vote. Then you say productivity isn't how a person should be measured and I don't think it should be either, but you and Forge were talking about voting. My point was about what you can do INSTEAD, if you really want to be patriotic. Sure, go work in park services if that's what you like. Shouldn't give you any special privileges, though.

Now, given this: "Total occupational and social impairment, due to such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought processes or communication; persistent delusions or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; persistent danger of hurting self or others; intermittent inability to perform activities of daily living (including maintenance of minimal personal hygiene); disorientation to time or place; memory loss for names of close relatives, own occupation, or own name." - I guess you're not a serious person. You definitely aren't responsible, your thought processes are unreliable and so there's no use in arguing with you.

Enjoy your labels, dawg. I think you're full of shit personally. You talk like a typical cocky know-it-all teenager who keeps changing their argument in order to win. There's nothing unique about that.

When Camus isn't helping you rationalize your condition anymore, think back on what I wrote to you.

[High Treason]

thricecursed, on 10 July 2020 - 08:49 PM, said:

"Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy."

― Henry Kissinger

Proof of this is that women generally have a thing for ex-forces men - at least locally, given about 90% of the females I know with partners have partners who are ex-forces. Interestingly most of the males I know with partners have partners who are or were nurses.
The reason for this? Women these days don't want a man, because real men are decisive, natural leaders. Ex-forces 'men' are usually bitch boys who are very easily led, this isn't true for all of them, but it seems to be true for most of them. The women usually move on to these sorts after they've milked their first few little hipster male feminist faggot's bank accounts dry and gotten a house that they kicked them out of. They bring their army man there, let him live out his delusional fantasy that he's some kind of hero and is above everyone else, so long as they get what they want, which they will, because they're making the decisions in that house. Both of them are generally very out of touch with reality for some reason.




I'm not sure why the guy's go for nurses, maybe they're easy? Maybe they're not home often? No idea.




Just an observation me and some of my friends made a while back. has little to do with anything, but I thought it was mildly interesting. I don't doubt that it's different in other parts of the world.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

thricecursed, on 11 July 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

I guess you're not a serious person. You definitely aren't responsible, your thought processes are unreliable and so there's no use in arguing with you.

I'm pretty sure I basically already stated that at one point.

thricecursed, on 11 July 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

I don't get why you need to be involved in any of these to be able to vote. Then you say productivity isn't how a person should be measured and I don't think it should be either, but you and Forge were talking about voting. My point was about what you can do INSTEAD, if you really want to be patriotic.

I said that if you're not willing to invest in your country.

Not do such things.

thricecursed, on 11 July 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

Enjoy your labels, dawg. I think you're full of shit personally. You talk like a typical cocky know-it-all teenager who keeps changing their argument in order to win. There's nothing unique about that.

http://imgur.com/a/92GLkQg

Here's some more paperwork I guess, I can give you the entire back and forth with my lawyer if necessary, am currently waiting on the date for my re-evaluation with my lawyer, my lawyer, and two of the social workers I've worked with say I rate 100%.

Also raghead, retards, so on and so forth, aren't you trying to label others?

Do you think someone who is delusional that they are cartaphilus wouldn't act like they know it all?

Also I don't try to win by insults, it's kinda unnecessary.

thricecursed, on 11 July 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

When Camus isn't helping you rationalize your condition anymore, think back on what I wrote to you.

http://imgur.com/a/HVsmv5Y.jpg

The link in the image
http://imgur.com/a/LrPAVsz


You were trying to get me to hate or dislike a person or multiple people due to their differing opinion, even if that opinion is true, and he wasn't pulling your leg, as he usually does.

This is wrong, this is what's fucked up with society, disliking, attempting to defame or deface, or garnering hatred towards a group of people or an individual due to a differing opinion, no matter how garbage it is, is wrong.

Also, if you prick us, do we not bleed, was meant to let you know that we all hold the same value you do. You seem like you are unable to grasp that.

[ck3D]

High Treason, on 11 July 2020 - 02:41 AM, said:

The women usually move on to these sorts after they've milked their first few [...] bank accounts dry and gotten a house that they kicked them out of.

The mere existence of that pattern alone is so crazy. It's like a modernization of the historical male hunter vs. female assistant trope but as the hunt is now geared against something less tangible than actual animal corpses and sustenance takes a more sophisticated form, due to survival instinct some women are tempted to look at numbers to potentially leech off of prior to even considering the person that's responsible for making them (nor the quality of their drive, reason, etc.), making for less interpersonal communication and more isolation in each other's respective bubble which I think is insane. I'm not blaming those women here are they're essentially pawns that have been given the wrong clues in life like we all are likely to at some point, as well as still entrapped within a system of dependency which society seems to aspire to eliminate but isn't quite on the level to yet (it still has a long way to go to practically achieve some of those ideals I see thrown around), but this modern, particular train of thought itself (quantifying a person's worth on the sole basis of their income) is still fucked. One time I've hard a girl ask me on our second date if I was 'more of the generous or savy type' and it literally blew my mind. I blurted out something like 'I don't know, I'm just not stupid' and at the end of the day I never saw that girl again. Or once I was attracted to a woman who just so happened to be from a poorer country than mine and just that difference would always kind of infect the relationship like one shitty elephant in the room even though none of us were trying to notice it and we never brought it up, it still smelled.

Also the kicking-the-guy-out-of-the-house thing personally resonates here because I've had a longtime relationship try and do that to me, except we were just tenants, in the end I kept the place and she had to find her own apartment which I can tell fucked her up as though she had never even seen the possibility coming (which she should have as she was living with me rent free due to her impossibility to provide) - now she's basically regularly attempting murder on her new boyfriend by doing stuff like losing her shit after an argument and throwing a C clamp out of her third-story balcony down and through his car's windshield (with the guy in it), though, so I'm pretty confident I dodged a bullet there if anything.

[Aristotle Gumball]

High Treason, on 11 July 2020 - 02:41 AM, said:

Ex-forces 'men' are usually bitch boys who are very easily led, this isn't true for all of them, but it seems to be true for most of them.

In my experience they are either hotheaded bullies or yeah, kinda submissive and purposeless humans who wish to be led. The two types will not go on to have the same rank of course. In my time, I had to take charge a lot. Or rather, I just did it and after a while people expected me to, which led to promotions. But I never really was used to it and hated everything we had to do. I was really into powerlifting/bodybuilding before I got conscripted and lost most of my gains due to the terrible diet and emphasis on cardio. In the end it didn't impact my life that much, but if someone doesn't want to serve their country in this way, they shouldn't be forced to, or penalized if they refuse.

Bottom line is I pay my fucking taxes same as anyone else. No taxation without representation. So all you "heroes" with an over inflated sense of importance can suck my dick.

I don't care if we live in different countries, the same basic principles still apply.

Balls - I'm not interested in your paperwork. OK, you have a mental illness - congrats man. I just think you also exaggerate and use it to try to seem special/interesting.

If I label others? They're more like insults, as you said. It's not meant to win arguments as much as express disgust. And I don't label myself the way you do. I've seen you mention your issues a million times.

Re: my private message to you. I wasn't trying to do anything. If you were not convinced by any of what I said or what you read in that thread, that's fine.

Come to think of it, you're actually the self hating Jew they were talking about. So yeah - have fun.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Cartaphilus, on 11 July 2020 - 03:30 AM, said:

Balls - I'm not interested in your paperwork. OK, you have a mental illness - congrats man. I just think you also exaggerate and use it to try to seem special/interesting.

If I label others? They're more like insults, as you said. It's not meant to win arguments as much as express disgust. And I don't label myself the way you do. I've seen you mention your issues a million times.

Re: my private message to you. I wasn't trying to do anything. If you were not convinced by any of what I said or what you read in that thread, that's fine.

Come to think of it, you're actually the self hating Jew they were talking about. So yeah - have fun.

I've sucked plenty a dick, and if you want me to suck yours just send a dm, I don't care if you live in another far away country, I promise I'll be there, and given that I can suck my own I'm pretty good at it.

I really really like talking about myself because, well, I love myself, and am absolutely an asshole.

I think you just think you're better than other people, and you're just not, no one is.

And that gag with the name is funny, but shows what little respect you have for other people.

And goodbye, I'm definitely done talking here, hope you enjoy making yourself feel elevated.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 11 July 2020 - 02:15 AM, said:

Life has no intrinsic value, it is up to you to give your own life value

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 11 July 2020 - 02:56 AM, said:

Also, if you prick us, do we not bleed, was meant to let you know that we all hold the same value you do. You seem like you are unable to grasp that.

You keep going back and forth between saying there is no intrinsic value to life and that everyone has equal value. Decide on one. You have equal rights and protections before the law. Private companies/forums have way more leeway with what they will or will not allow. I think some of the views presented here have little to no value and hurt the Duke/Build community. As people I don't know you so personally, so I won't go so far and say that you are useless.

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 11 July 2020 - 04:15 AM, said:

And that gag with the name is funny, but shows what little respect you have for other people.

I've said as much in the past:

Cartaphilus, on 20 June 2020 - 06:51 AM, said:

Actually, fuck you, lol. This is boring and I don't really respect most of you and I guess it shows. There's no point in carrying on in any serious capacity. But I'll probably still be here to mock you once in a while or post in gaming related threads. I already said I don't care if I'm banned, so if that's someone's thing, they can boot me.

Let's be clear, though. Specific people, not some general "others". You're not among them.

I just think you're confused, but who isn't at 21? Your actual writing/thought processing isn't what I would expect from a schizophrenic. The part where I quoted your 100% disability criteria was done in jest, for you to realize what you invite in your life when you constantly self-label. You make people think you're crazy and that makes debate impossible. You have a self esteem issue, so you found a forum full of assholes and seek some kind of fucked up validation from them. I sent you that PM out of genuine concern. I'm half Jewish myself for fucks sake.

[Forge]

Cartaphilus, on 11 July 2020 - 04:40 AM, said:

You keep going back and forth between saying there is no intrinsic value to life and that everyone has equal value. Decide on one. Y

public service announcement:

the value is zero.

everyone is equal and that value is zero

the poster mentioned on numerous occasions that human extinction would be a good thing

you could die and he could care less.
you wished him (indirectly) to 'give his life' for his country (probably some dig on the high rate of suicide for [combat] veterans)

sounds pretty 'equal'

[/announcement]

[Forge]

Cartaphilus, on 11 July 2020 - 03:30 AM, said:

Bottom line is I pay my fucking taxes same as anyone else.

you gaslighted yourself so much, you lost the original message

[Aristotle Gumball]

Forge, on 11 July 2020 - 06:29 AM, said:

you gaslighted yourself so much, you lost the original message

Maybe you're just bad at explaining yourself.

Forge, on 11 July 2020 - 06:26 AM, said:

public service announcement:

the value is zero.

everyone is equal and that value is zero

the poster mentioned on numerous occasions that human extinction would be a good thing

Yeah, like me saying I'm headed to South Richmond to conduct a hitjob.

You'll excuse me if I don't take the 21 year old at his word, especially when he's talking about mass extinction of the human race.

I get what you're saying re: value of life being zero, hence our value as humans also being zero (I'm trusting here that that's what he meant). Balls thinks that I see myself as above others, but as a Soviet sympathizer he should understand I'm just a pragmatist. I don't care about philosophy; I care about results. I don't believe in slippery slope arguments. Banning/curbing certain people/certain discussions does not have to lead to some dystopian nightmare. It can, but it doesn't have to. Europe is evidence of that. Fucked up in some ways, but as a whole, better quality of life than the US. Nothing is perfect of course. I don't believe in utopias, only acceptable compromises.

[Forge]

Cartaphilus, on 11 July 2020 - 07:00 AM, said:

I care about results
Banning/curbing certain people/certain discussions

it's typical of far left fascists to abuse the shit out of a freedom in an attempt to get the freedom revoked

[Aristotle Gumball]

Forge, on 11 July 2020 - 11:24 AM, said:

it's typical of far left fascists to abuse the shit out of a freedom in an attempt to get the freedom revoked

You're a right wing fascist. (so, just a regular fascist)

[PokeThePower]

From what I've understood through the years here, Forge would prefer to be a libertarian, but certain deliberately stoked outrages based on fraud and lies that are becoming increasingly violent toward people who have had no hand in the declared injustices, are making that an impossibility. There are many historical precedents for this we could learn from, and not repeat, if everyone equally desired to.

Phredreeke, on 02 July 2020 - 03:01 PM, said:

When did we go from a crucified Lara Croft in a Doom WAD to the freaking holocaust?

Once upon a time there was a magical community. It was open to all who had the motivation to learn the tools to create whatever their imagination desired. Some of those desires were incredibly fucked up. However for the most part it was understood and expression tolerated and defended by the magical community against some of the strongest forces in the land... thanks to thousands of years of experience with horrific scenarios depicted in writing, paintings, sculptures, movies, literal poo, transgender menstruating crucified Christs, and such.

With the concession given by predominately historically Christian nations/cultures, and few others, that this is not only tolerable but noble, in the interest of the principle of freedom of expression no matter how hostile the expression is... so long as there are no actions by the artist to back them up.

However access to the tools making these expressions became easier and easier, so the investment in protecting the expression of others mattered less and less because there wasn't any meaningful skin in the game for them.

Oh... also the perspectives that previously leaned on freedom of expression to relish in being hateful and vile toward their believed oppressors/cultures/peers without consequences gradually became dominant after kids grew up viewing them with no context and took them at face value, and their elder's empathy and desire to do better was maximized regardless of the veracity of their guilt. So since the formerly fringe expressions were now becoming dominant expressions, the need to protect expressions disagreeable to the dominant perspective was no longer a priority or noble. Some started considering the principle itself evil and a source of oppression if not outright violence (even if no physical violence had occurred or been suggested).

Oh... or maybe the answer to your question is someone here thinks poorly of my belief that the standard narrative about WW2 that refuses to understand anything besides war victor history writing is flawed. It creates frustration that I believe this narrative is being utilized by a relatively small group of people who hide behind an identity (and their co-enablers) at the expense of a great many people they claim to speak for. That it is intentionally done to make it possible to milk and repeat those conditions when needed because nobody has learned anything of value about the many previous circumstances. That it puts at completely unnecessary risk the woman I was ready to marry and her brother who I mentored, housed, and helped rocket launch his career as a best friend, who later mentored me on engineering best practices.

Oh... there is no connection between a narrative writer creating fictional cruelty and the holocaust.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Once ubon ein time zere vas ein magical community. Arh ! It vas oben to all vo had zee motiffazion to learn zee tools to create vadeffer zeir Himaginazion dezired. Zome of zoze dezires vere Hincretiply fucked up. Arh ! Hoveffer for zee most bart it vas Hunderstood und Hexbrezion tolerated und defented py zee magical community Hakainst zome of zee schtrongest forces in zee land... zanks to zouzands of years of Hexberience vith horrific scenarios debicded in vriding, baindings, sculbdures, moffies, literal boo, transgenter menstruading crucified Christs, und zuch.

Vith zee concezion giffen py bredominadely hisdorically Chrisdian nazions/cultures, und few ozers, zat zis is not only toleraple put nople, in zee Hinterest of zee brinciple of freetom of Hexbrezion nein matder how hostile zee Hexbrezion is... zo long as zere are nein Haczions py zee artist to pack zem up.

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Oh... alzo zee berspectiffes zat breffiously leaned on freetom of Hexbrezion to relisch in peing hadeful und file tovard zeir pelieffed Hobrezors/culdures/beers vizout conzequences gradually pecame dominant after kids grew up fieving zem vith nein context und took zem at face falue, und zeir elter's Hembathy und dezire to do petter vas maximised rekardless of zee feracity of zeir guilt. Zo zince zee formerly fringe Hexbrezions vere now pecoming dominant Hexbrezions, zee need to brodect Hexbrezions dizagreeaple to zee dominant berspecdiffe vas nein longer ein briority or nople. Arh ! Zome schtarded conzitering zee brinciple itzelf effil und ein zource of Hobrezion if not Houtright fiolence (effen if nein bhyzical fiolence had Hoccurred or peen zuggesded).

Oh... or maype zee ansver to your gueszion is zomeone here zinks boorly of mein pelief zat zee schtantard narradiffe apout VV2 zat refuzes to Hundersdand Hanyzing pezides var fictor hisdory vriting is flaved. It creates frustrazion zat I pelieffe zis narradiffe is peing Hudilised py ein reladiffely small group of beople vo hide pehind ein Hidendity (und zeir co-Henaplers) at zee Hexbenze of ein great many beople zey claim to sbeak for. Arh ! Zat it is Hintenzionally done to make it bozible to milk und rebeat zoze condizions ven neeted pecauze nopody has learned Hanyzing of falue apout zee many breffious circumsdances. Zat it buts at combledely Hunnecezary risk zee voman I vas ready to marry und her prozer vo I mendored, houzed, und helbed rocket launch his career as ein pest friend, vo lader mendored me on Hengineering pest bracdices.

Oh... zere is nein conneczion petveen ein narradiffe vrider creading ficzional cruelty und zee holocaust.