[Jimmy]

I disagree. The cause for a just Emperor like Marcus Aurelius is more poignant than ever.

[ck3D]

jimmy is a stupid fuck, on 12 June 2020 - 12:32 AM, said:

Almost all of today's problems can be traced back to an ideology people of all political leanings tend to hold; That all people are inherently good and that "bad" people are merely "good" people acting out of anger, ignorance, *insert excuse here*.

We have to accept that some people are bad, and they will always be bad no matter what kind of "social programs" or what have you exist. Some people want, pathologically, to rape, steal, kill, etc. They cannot be cured.

If you're Christian, you don't understand Satan's game if you hold this ideology. There are those that will always choose evil no matter how much they know about the consequences of their actions.

I think there's a happy (?) medium between both interpretations you describe. Personally I would especially keep ignorance as a valid reason and not as one more popular cope-out or excuse. Humans aren't inherently anything in particular, but individuals inherently have potential as organic beings subjected to growth, including personal development. What I believe makes the difference is education - actual education, not the social institutions claiming it and providing it to the people under a specific format that only mirrors the reality of a society in which everyone is more or less directly expected to become just a production unit - as in, the type that encourages self-reflection and eventually one's understanding of the true nature of their emotions, enabling them to distinguish between selfish primal urges pulsating from their animal within and more intelligent behaviors and thus, eventually, to function in society. The people you describe who pathologically want to rape, steal, kill, are just wired in funky ways on the cognitive level that make it almost, if not downright impossible in the most extreme cases for them to ever get close to that kind of understanding of both themselves and the world around them, yet they get thrown into it regardless of unprepared they really are to anything but maybe getting a basic job to sustain both the economy and themselves (something else that doesn't transcend the primal level, and where a lot of people's ambitions stop for the lack of a bigger perspective on existence).

And that's where those social programs should ideally come into play by regulating the diversity in profiles and bringing each of them the clues that they need, but they're indeed bound to be fruitless if the origin of the problem never gets tackled. Most mental institutions I've witnessed are essentially frauds where everybody wastes their time, be it the patients having been sedated on all kinds of fucked up drugs to shut them down if they're going to be socially unproductive or the staff who's just playing games and occasionally experiments with prescribing different substances. Or just look at nursing homes - at the end of it all, all those institutions are a sign of complacency in mediocrity and primal urges, and a lot of the people working those jobs are just as limited to playing a role as the people they're supposed to take care of, too. Humans will be humans and it seems to be one of our frequent patterns to just give up on working on ourselves when things become too tedious, so in reality everyone of us is just stuck somewhere and it's up to the individual to either switch on their automatic mode or make actual personal progress. Society is too busy organizing roles and programming people into little soldiers to consider everyone's differences in cognition early on and handle them appropriately, but no matter how many bucketfuls of water one keeps throwing out of the boat, it's bound to keep sinking as long as the hole, the root of the problem in the first place, doesn't get fixed. But in this case, diversity being a natural state, it might be overly pretentious to think of it as something a man-made society could touch.

Overall humanity is too complex to be fairly divided into just two categories of heroes and villains, I think that's the type of logic we're tempted to go for when we're scared of the realization that diversity in the world is so wild it can feel overwhelming for our humble persons with only ever limited clues about our surroundings that can make us feel in reassuring control sometimes, but also remain just what they are, and I think that's a healthy reality to embrace because then one can once again keep making developmental progress and catch more frequencies of reality. When one stops assuming that they know everything (or anything) is when they earn room to learn.

[Forge]

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 12 June 2020 - 01:30 AM, said:

Imo depose the government,

Decentralization is very necessary.

it stopped being a republic government for the people and by the people since Woodrow Wilson. (and even before then).

what we have now is a bureaucracy with the veneer of elected talking heads.

[Radar]

fdhalkjdsfhlkadsjhfkla I was really pissed yesterday. I learned that a certain manufacturer of guitar gear (Fulltone) - a homegrown American business with a rich history in building up the industry - was just removed from one of the biggest marketplaces on the Internet (Reverb.com) because the owner posted some anti-rioting stuff on Facebook. Dang I'm pissed. I know almost every company has posted a pro-BLM message somewhere, but banning businesses from your store is where I draw the line. I don't have any more items on my Reverb shop and I'm using eBay now for selling. What's even worse is that every guitar forum is moderated by greedy leftist ad-revenue whoring hacks who are taking down any legitimate discussion regarding the topic. How convenient that "no politics" rules extend to protesting cancel culture. Basically, companies can do whatever they want, and any disagreement on independent channels is silenced. Isn't it ironic how the "anti-capitalist" left engages in the most corrupt forms of corporatism?

jimmy is a stupid fuck, on 12 June 2020 - 12:32 AM, said:

If you're Christian, you don't understand Satan's game if you hold this ideology. There are those that will always choose evil no matter how much they know about the consequences of their actions.

If you're a Christian and you don't understand this, you're not a real Christian. People are born evil.

jimmy is a stupid fuck, on 12 June 2020 - 01:37 AM, said:

I disagree. The cause for a just Emperor like Marcus Aurelius is more poignant than ever.

Abraham Lincoln?

[Aristotle Gumball]

I am very much in favor of a weaker US federal government for obvious reasons. I don't really care what other things you people believe so long as we agree about that. #DefundtheCIA

[Mark]

Before defunding, drain the swamp of it's bad actors. Term limits. Then renegotiate the exhorbitant pay, benefits and union protections for all government workers by abolishing or reduce the powers of those unions. From what I remember reading, the left and the right agreed that gov unions were a bad thing. Then in the late 1950's-early 60's the left started them up. Reform, not abolish, the agencies that produce massive amounts of regulations. After that, actual defunding won't be needed because costs came down fewer workers will be needed and many will leave for private sector jobs. Unrealistic, just wishful thinking.

[DustFalcon85]

Aren't you getting sick of fatherlessness / baby mama culture? If blacks had fathers in their lives, we would have less crime. You don't impregnate some girl and leave her only to repeat again. I strongly agree with Tupac's words in this video.

[Mark]

Yes I am. Actually I have been for more than 25 years. Unfortunately politics has become so ingrained in my mind that I have noticed how many TV commercials over the years including today portray a mother and her kids. Father nowhere in sight. TV shows with fatherless households.

The stigma and shame of young and single pregnancy, in school or after, needs to be brought back like it was when I was in school.

[DustFalcon85]

The Maury show needs to sent into pasture IMO. It glamorizes fatherlessness and baby mamas. Here's an example.

[Danukem]

R A D A Я, on 12 June 2020 - 05:53 AM, said:

fdhalkjdsfhlkadsjhfkla I was really pissed yesterday.

I've been pissed off too. I think everyone is, for various reasons.

I was listening to a speech by Malcolm X last night, and he was talking about how blacks need to build up their own businesses and spend their money in their own communities so they don't have to depend on white people. As he pointed out, "Anytime you have to rely upon on your enemy for a job you're in bad shape." In that vein, I find it pathetic that there are red content channels on YouTube where they constantly complain about the threat of being shut down or demonetized, but then go right ahead and keep producing content on that platform as long as they can since it still provides them with ad revenue and they see no viable alternative.

Current events are a wakeup call. In the war of red versus blue, red people have allowed themselves to become dependent on the corporations and institutions controlled by blue people, so it's no surprise they are now getting fired, silenced and excluded. Instead of uselessly complaining about the situation, red people could build and support new platforms and institutions that are fiercely dedicated to classicly liberal principles such as freedom of speech and due process. Red people advocating for the government to help them out with executive orders and new legislation are kidding themselves if they think that's going to solve their problems, and they could end up making things worse.

[Radar]

Trooper Dan, on 12 June 2020 - 02:27 PM, said:

I've been pissed off too. I think everyone is, for various reasons.

I was listening to a speech by Malcolm X last night, and he was talking about how blacks need to build up their own businesses and spend their money in their own communities so they don't have to depend on white people. As he pointed out, "Anytime you have to rely upon on your enemy for a job you're in bad shape." In that vein, I find it pathetic that there are red content channels on YouTube where they constantly complain about the threat of being shut down or demonetized, but then go right ahead and keep producing content on that platform as long as they can since it still provides them with ad revenue and they see no viable alternative.

Current events are a wakeup call. In the war of red versus blue, red people have allowed themselves to become dependent on the corporations and institutions controlled by blue people, so it's no surprise they are now getting fired, silenced and excluded. Instead of uselessly complaining about the situation, red people could build and support new platforms and institutions that are fiercely dedicated to classicly liberal principles such as freedom of speech and due process. Red people advocating for the government to help them out with executive orders and new legislation are kidding themselves if they think that's going to solve their problems, and they could end up making things worse.

I've heard this from almost every right-wing figure, and from what I know even the President has been advised on pursuing this exact road-map. The problem is that platforms are driven by content. Big names need to transition to the platform or else it won't work. It can't just be political channels, or leftists will rightfully associate it with the same stigma as Fox news or whatever. Celebrities with large crowds like PewDiePie or Joe Rogan need to take the platform seriously. TBH I don't know why a guy like PewDiePie hasn't already built something like this. He's the king of YouTube, and he's sounded of so many times about their abysmal treatment of him. Like Rogan, he's shown warmth to right-wing values. He hoodwinked the ACLU, and even had Ben Shapiro on his show. If even half his audience used his platform, that would be 50 million users. I personally see it as a no brainer but I guess not everyone sees it as a risk worth taking.

[Danukem]

YouTube knows this and is smart enough to not cancel big names like PewDiePie, both because of the lost revenue and because they don't want to create a competitor. But I feel like something is being missed here; surely there's a viable grassroots approach that doesn't depend on big names to get the ball rolling. After all, big names are by definition people who are already successful in the status quo, it's pretty unrealistic to expect them to jump ship. EDIT: Paradoxically, you might want to encourage the blue folks to push harder than ever to cancel bigger names, because if they succeed that would force the big names to build alternative platforms.

[Morpheus Kitami]

Anyone to the right of Hildawg is going to get cancelled in this day and age. There's nothing anyone can do of that short of not getting the luck of attracting their attention.

From what I understand, specifically regarding a Youtube competitor, is that the reason why there's not a red version is the reason why there's no other competitor to begin with. Too much money to properly start it up. You know why people keep saying Google doesn't make any money off Youtube? Because Google doesn't know how much money they make off Youtube.
In general? Well, in order to make money, you need to have the demographic of people who don't adblock. You know what they don't want to do? Use another site. They're only going to use another site if they can't use the one they've already got. That's why a ton of the alternative platforms you actually see are usually called "the Nazi version of x". Nobody wants to be the guy using a Nazi anything. Its why any start-up, unless they're very lucky, is going to get smeared, fairly or unfairly. And I keep hearing that people who do these alternative platforms have problems getting banks to accept their money.
What it amounts to is that the cards are very stacked against anyone who isn't interested in continuing the status quo.

[Hank]

[Kyanos]

The shift from red vs blue to complaint vs non-compliant was subtle. Trump is compliant, complicit, and comfortable playing both sides against each other as the coffers are drained.

[Forge]

Morpheus Kitami, on 12 June 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

And I keep hearing that people who do these alternative platforms have problems getting banks to accept their money.
What it amounts to is that the cards are very stacked against anyone who isn't interested in continuing the status quo.

more or less this^
paypal and other credit card / bank entities cut off transactions for anyone they want to cancel.
same with advertisers that believe the entire internet mirrors the twitter community.

[Kyanos]

This runs pretty deep, VISA was outside the loop for a while (not allowed at certain big stores, eg walmart) but they have since complied to the demands of the banksters.

[PokeThePower]

OccludeOlga, on 11 June 2020 - 11:23 PM, said:

Well if you really want to know, you'll have to stop lying to yourself about what it's always been about. Their goals haven't changed.

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 12 June 2020 - 01:30 AM, said:

Yeah, and the current yearly mayday protests helped the poor gain power over corporations.

BLM (and related orbiting facades of ultimately the same movement) has always been about disruption, dismantling, and destruction of a certain demographic... By Any Means Necessary (aka viable at that moment in time)... including lying about the facts, bodily confrontation, turning a blind eye to overt murder in their own ranks while calling even accidents outside of their ranks murder, property destruction from minor graffiti to razing of entire blocks, etc. Anything else you see is marketing and already explained 100 times over by our good friend Yuri B.

Nothing about them has changed since they started except the room they have to act without consequences.

[Mark]

I had to shake my head when I heard BLM is receiving millions of dollars world-wide. They have barely any kind of organizational structure and leadership and really no way to monitor/ track/ report where all that money is going. And if you bothered to look at their stated goals on their website, which I'll bet most leftists don't, lots of their agenda has nothing to do with helping black folks. I guess we'll never completely know where or for what that funding is going. Its not like they have to buy anything for the movement. MSM gives them all the airtime they need and they loot and steal whatever material things they need.

[Jimmy]

The demoralization is absolutely complete.

Nobody listened and now we are approaching step four in Yuri's list.

[Radar]

Yuri's List? Which lesbian anime is that?

Spoiler

Just kidding, I'm not downplaying what you're saying. It's just so scary man.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Someone I know in Seattle filmed this from the Autonomous Zone the protesters set up: https://www.facebook...92229568573771/

MSM makes it seem like there's complete chaos and anarchy. He said it's more like a hippie commune mixed with a public therapy session.

[Radar]

They're mindless retards who are being humored by the police. All you have to do is siege the area and they would starve. It's hilarious seeing them try to plant gardens as if this isn't a skill that needs to be developed. If it was so easy, why aren't they already living independent lives generating their own food and electricity. cApItAlIsM iS eXpLoItAtIoN while they order another Starbucks latte.

[Aristotle Gumball]

OK Carlton.

[Steve 64]

Yesterday a wendys was burn down by riots that just sad more people just lost there jobs cause of this BS.

[Kyanos]

CHAZ makes the communes look worse than Manson did. Wonder if they are an intel front too. JK it's god damn obvious the deep state has gone all in with an ace and an eight.

[Danukem]

https://www.axios.co...0d0e3980b1.html

Governor Cuomo threatens to reinstate full quarantine on NY because businesses are violating the rules! These are the same businesses that were closed for nearly three months, then get reopened only to be looted, and now are desperately trying to survive. How you gonna enforce a quarantine when your cops have been vilified, demoralized, threatened with defunding and on the verge of resigning en-masse? So go ahead, bring on the full quarantine. What are you gonna do when business operaters suddenly become protesters? Are they the wrong kind of protesters and can you prove it?

[Hank]

^ Blasio (major) agrees. Even he smells NYC is ready to explode. City Hall stated: ... Imprisoning people is not the answer. We must balance safety with people's need to reopen their businesses!

In other news
Truckers will refuse to service cities that defunded police.
https://cdllife.com/...ce-departments/
"I will not deliver to an area with a disbanded police department. My life matter and I do this for my family. We are already at the mercy of these towns and cities with laws and hate against us for parking, getting a meal or even using a restroom."

[Danukem]

I don't think truckers are going to wait until police departments are officially defunded. Once an area becomes too dangerous to deliver to, that is enough. The defunding drive is rapidly becoming moot because the cops in [certain blue cities] are increasingly resigning or being driven out, or are giving up on pro-active policing.

[ck3D]

thricecursed, on 14 June 2020 - 08:27 AM, said:

Someone I know in Seattle filmed this from the Autonomous Zone the protesters set up: https://www.facebook...92229568573771/

MSM makes it seem like there's complete chaos and anarchy. He said it's more like a hippie commune mixed with a public therapy session.

Pretty famous example of a location that was demonized for the longest time in the public eye in a way that sounds similar; different context though of course: https://en.wikipedia...own_Christiania