[Mia Max]

Boss area almost finished (I think)

Also can you see that? Still 60 fps (well, not always)
I won't give the player explosive stuff, cause it would ruin the framerate

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[Diaz]

Looking great! But I don't like the fogpal in the water sector, I believe it should be a less saturated shade of blue, just like what you're using everywhere else.

[Mia Max]

Thanks!
You are right about the fogpal.
I made it so, because from distance it looks cool, because you still can see the lake in the dark fog.
I will adjust it better.

[Gambini]

Diaz, on 16 April 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

Looking great! But I don't like the fogpal in the water sector, I believe it should be a less saturated shade of blue, just like what you're using everywhere else.

How you change that? There are only four fog pals AFAIK and they are based on TX´s favourite kindergarden temperas.

[Danukem]

Gambini, on 16 April 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

How you change that? There are only four fog pals AFAIK and they are based on TX´s favourite kindergarden temperas.

Remember, these guys are modders, Gambini, they are not making vanilla maps. They are not afraid to use the fogpal DEF command to make custom ones.

[Gambini]

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They are not afraid to use the fogpal DEF command to make custom ones.

They must be very brave then

Well, i didn´t know that was even possible.

[MusicallyInspired]

Is the some kind of tutorial for using fogpals? I'd love to know how they work.

[Diaz]

MusicallyInspired, on 16 April 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

Is the some kind of tutorial for using fogpals? I'd love to know how they work.

It's just a .def token.

From the wiki:

fogpal <palette number> <red intensity> <green intensity> <blue intensity>
fogpal defines a palette a sector-based fog effect. To use it, change the pal of your sector to the pal defined with fogpal.
Intensities range from 0-63. Palettes 26, 27, 28 and 29 are pre-defined for you as white, red, green and blue respectively. Sector visibility controls fog density.

For example, fogpals defined in my TC so far are:

fogpal 30 9 3 0 // Lava, thick
fogpal 31 0 2 4 // Turquoise, light
fogpal 32 0 4 8 // Turquoise, medium
fogpal 33 0 8 16 // Turquoise, thick
fogpal 34 0 1 2 // Turquoise, very light
fogpal 36 0 3 0 // Green, very light
fogpal 37 0 5 0 // Green, light
fogpal 38 0 9 0 // Green, medium
fogpal 39 0 17 0 // Green, thick
fogpal 40 0 2 0 // Green, extra light
fogpal 41 2 1 0 // Lava, light
fogpal 42 4 2 0 // Lava, medium

Notice there are several fogpals defined for each color. That's because changing sector visibility has a different effect than changing intensities in the .def (at least if you're using Polymer as your main light source), so I play with both things a bit.

[Micky C]

There's no real good place to post this but I'm just really happy to see loads of TCs still being worked on at the moment, things looked a bit dead for a really long time after DNF's release, but it seems things are back on track. With TROR a lot of originality has opened up for mapping and I can only see it getting better as polymer becomes more optimised, paving the way for larger and better looking levels. I can't wait to see what comes out over the next few years


Meh, might as well make a proper post while I'm at it.

Mia Max, on 16 April 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

Boss area almost finished (I think)

Also can you see that? Still 60 fps (well, not always)
I won't give the player explosive stuff, cause it would ruin the framerate

*Picture with 2 different fog pals*

I wish there was a way that the fog pals could be blended together along the boarder of the sectors so that there wouldn't be an instant colour change. It could lead to some pretty neat effects, especially with TROR where a pit could be made to look like it's full of dust or something.

[Diaz]

Micky C, on 17 April 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

I wish there was a way that the fog pals could be blended together along the boarder of the sectors so that there wouldn't be an instant colour change. It could lead to some pretty neat effects, especially with TROR where a pit could be made to look like it's full of dust or something.

That would be nice indeed... but I believe it's not an easy thing to implement. You can somewhat fake it by subdividing sectors and using different fogpal intensities, but it won't look as good and will eat up your palettes...

[Micky C]

Another cheap way of doing it is subdividing lots of sectors and incrementing the shade value so that there's no fog at all between the two fog pals, but a proper blending would look a lot better and be a lot less work.

Edit: One day a bunch of us should make a polymer CBP

[Gambini]

That´s very cute but completely unrealistic. Fog is something like a condensation of humidity, and looks like a fade-to-color only for our eyes, because we fix our glance in something distant. I dont think it is possible to see the fog end a few meters away and then start again. If several small fog banks are in our line of vision I guess we´d only see less fog than if there´s only a big one.

Well, I didnt want to sound so anally technical. Just wanted to express how strange that idea sounds

[Micky C]

Let's pack up our bags and close the shop because something in WGRealms 2 in unrealistic

[Gambini]

I know WGRealms is an unreal world. But there are two ways to approach the word "unrealistic": One is directly linked to real life and the other is to tell if something makes sense. I was refering to the latter.

As i said I like that screenshot, but specifically refering to fog that goes from green to white and then to red... mmmmh

[Sangman]

Micky C, on 17 April 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

Let's pack up our bags and close the shop because something in WGRealms 2 in unrealistic

Does the term "suspension of disbelief" mean anything to you?

[Jimmy]

I'm with Gambini. It looks unrealistic in a bad way, it's kinda jarring.

[Danukem]

To me it just looks like some people were smoking cigarettes on the staircase. I don't know if that's bad or good, but if it's more trouble than regular fog, I would say it is not worth the trouble.

[OpenMaw]

Sangman, on 17 April 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Does the term "suspension of disbelief" mean anything to you?

Sure does Mr. Wood. Sure does.

I think it's an interesting way to tackle the transition, and you can chalk up oddities in fog to the strange world it comes from!

[Diaz]

WIP. I always wanted to recreate this area. Sound familiar?



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[m210®]

That is a better then DNF And 85fps, I can't believe this!
It's cool

[Micky C]

I can hardly see any difference. That is fan-fucking tastic! You are now officially the best polymer mapper of all time.

[Micky C]

Don't tell DanM but I think you just upstaged his recreation in Duke Nukem Eternity

[Diaz]

You're being too generous. It's just something I made from a screenshot reference, DanM's is at least way more original and I believe it deserves more credit

My upcoming project will have a dark urban setting and I might include this little tribute to 2001 DNF in it, who knows.

[Mia Max]

Diaz, on 18 April 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

WIP. I always wanted to recreate this area. Sound familiar?



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Looks very cool!

What game is it from?

[Diaz]

It's a screenshot from the DNF 2001 version...

[Gambini]

Miamax deserves to be downvoted by such ignorant question

Here, i loved your screen so much that decided to help with this (just made it for you) took me about 40 minutes with all the sub files:

edit it took me actually more time to try to fucking attach these files than to make them. Only ref image on screen, the rest is in the rar. alpha, glow and off version with alpha.

EDIT2: in case you dont notice, its the sign at the top left, i filled the first word my imagination

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[Mia Max]

FUCK IT!

DNF looked like that in 2001?
Why the hell didn't they release it

[Diaz]

Oh, I had already made that sign, but yours looks better, so I think I'm gonna use it... thanks a lot

What I made looks "cleaner", but I don't really like the font, and it doesn't really look much like neon:



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BTW, as you can see, my imagination thought "Black Willy"

[Jinroh]

Diaz, on 18 April 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

WIP. I always wanted to recreate this area. Sound familiar?

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Whiskers, that looks awesome. ^^ You did a very awesome job recreating that from a screenshot. ^^

[Gambini]

Diaz, on 19 April 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

Oh, I had already made that sign, but yours looks better, so I think I'm gonna use it... thanks a lot

What I made looks "cleaner", but I don't really like the font, and it doesn't really look much like neon:



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BTW, as you can see, my imagination thought "Black Willy"

I should have used bended vectors instead, to make it cleaner. But once again my reasoning was being blurred with all the mess that was going behind me, here at my house. Now after a nap, i realize that the lines are very uneven to be neon tubes and they cross each other, which should not happen. Also, Black Willy sounds better. I may try to redo it again tonight when all the pride is asleep. I´m also thinking that the tubes should be almost white, leaving the color for the glow only.