[Hank]

Forge, on 15 May 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

Trooper Dan G is a pretty meticulous and hard worker - if he has the free time.

How about Forge and/or MBlackwell?

[Forge]

I see no reason why MBlackwell couldn't be involved in it. (if he has the time)
He's part of the Duke4 staff - which seems to be a qualifier going by Yatta's post.

I'm just more familiar with Dan G - having worked with him on his projects & joint projects for nearly a decade. I suppose I'm partial to him because I've seen his work ethic and problem analysis/problem solving skills.

[Hank]

Just in case, my proposal is in addition to yours, hell, I would love to see all of you getting into it

[Forge]

They would have to trust me since they're proposing a limited distribution of un-releasable material to specific personnel.
I wouldn't (re-)distribute it because it's morally and ethically wrong.
I also wouldn't (re-)distribute it because I'm a disabled vet living on a piddly pension and couldn't afford to be sued into oblivion. I have a wife and son to take care of.

The staff here don't know that, and have no reason to believe it either.
All it takes is one dick-head to release something that wasn't meant for public consumption and the relations between duke4 and gearbox could be damaged beyond repair.
The risk isn't worth it.

[DNSKILL5]

I think Marphy Black would be a good choice. He was one of the few contacted when Fresch sent TX and Hendricks the stuff, but I think the new 3DR only wanted to do the NDA with TX and Hendricks, due to their status here in the community, which makes sense.

[Mike Norvak]

Forge, on 15 May 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

I see no reason why MBlackwell couldn't be involved in it. (if he has the time)
He's part of the Duke4 staff - which seems to be a qualifier going by Yatta's post.

I'm just more familiar with Dan G - having worked with him on his projects & joint projects for nearly a decade. I suppose I'm partial to him because I've seen his work ethic and problem analysis/problem solving skills.

Dan said he rather not be involved since he's bussy with other projects.

[Forge]

Mike Norvak, on 15 May 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

Dan said he rather not be involved since he's bussy with other projects.

That's exactly what a jealous guy with a man-crush would say if he were trying to keep someone to himself and working on his wgr2 project.

[Hendricks266]

I think by reading the thread, Randy could get a sense of what community interest these prototype builds hold, but it's doing him a disservice to derail the thread musing on hypotheticals. Reread his OP.

That said, I have specific points to respond to, even though I think it would be best for the overall discussion in this thread to shift.

Spoiler

Forge, on 15 May 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

Amend it to remove Hendricks though.
He's so busy, and has such little time as it is, that he hasn't even delivered on the SW beta material yet. Adding more to his already over-full plate would tax him both physically and mentally. It would be quite unhealthy.

Agreed. Fortunately, I'm not terribly interested in DNF, so I don't have to try (and fail) to suppress my urge to volunteer for such a role. Also fortunately, there are far more interested and qualified people to work on DNF builds. I could serve best here as a judge of others' qualifications. I'm sure TX would be interested in that in addition to other, perhaps more hands-on roles. We've done this once before.

"Community leader" would in itself be my role. I would only jump in further when the situation calls for it.

Tristan, on 15 May 2017 - 08:34 PM, said:

I think Marphy Black would be a good choice. He was one of the few contacted when Fresch sent TX and Hendricks the stuff, but I think the new 3DR only wanted to do the NDA with TX and Hendricks, due to their status here in the community, which makes sense.

I contacted you (Tristan), Marphy Black, and MYHOUSE.MAP very early in the process (April 2014) expecting the ideas Fred initially talked about would be followed up by the construction of a decryption --> packaging --> analysis --> publication pipeline.

I guess I know what it feels like when I do what I end up doing to everyone.

I don't feel like I would be a good participant in a livestream discussing the future of Duke Nukem the character, brand, and franchise. In some ways I'm not opinionated enough on DNF for my presence to be justified. I'm also not the best of conversationalists. But I know who to trust with doing this, and would like to help coordinate the effort with other Duke4 staff.

[Minigunner]

As I see it, the goal of this thread is to welcome and introduce Randy into the Duke community. We should be acquainting with Randy (and possibly others from Gearbox) and let him get to know the community before we ask for stuff like beta releases.

I think my first question to ask Randy is: What do you think of Duke? How do you see his character, the story around him, or the gameplay aspects of his games?

[Mike Norvak]

Forge, on 15 May 2017 - 09:01 PM, said:

That's exactly what a jealous guy with a man-crush would say if he were trying to keep someone to himself and working on his wgr2 project.

But we broke!! He's bussy with OTHER projects...
(Anyway I think I never could win his heart, and compete with WG for it) XD

[Tea Monster]

Issuing the old betas would be fun, but I don't see it really advancing the modding community much. You aren't going to attract a lot of new talent by offering them the opportunity to make stuff that looks like the original Unreal Tournament. Besides that, you could recreate most of the 2000 era betas today within Polymer, that is if someone optimised it and fixed the bugs .

One interesting idea would be to take another leaf out of UT's book. The new Unreal Tournament is a free issue from Epic. They have issued the basic guts of the working game engine, and they have put it out for fans to make the content for the new game. What if Gearbox did that with Duke? issue a special version of the latest Unreal Tournament. It could be licensed so that you could only build Duke stuff on it and you weren't allowed to sell any content. It would feature a Duke character instead of the Unreal combatants. You could include the basic pistol and maybe one other weapon. The code would be in there for the standard Duke monsters, but maybe make it so you can make your own critters and weapons too. It would basically be a very basic 'make your own Duke game' template that you could use as a canvas to make whatever kind of Duke adventure you want. As it would be using the later version of Unreal, you are much more likely to attract more people like myself and Steeevie to come and make some new Duke content. People from Polycount and other sites would be happily posting new Duke models and levels, which is going to raise the IP's media foot print and awareness among the public and gamers.

Gearbox could even launch the project with a contest much like Epic's "Make Something Unreal" contest that would get people contributing and can be used by Gearbox to help pad out the amount of props and models issued and for publicity for the Duke IP and Gearbox in general.

As Gearbox issued the kit they could maintain control over it. They could even possibly use something like Lumberyard and have it required to run through their own servers to launch.

Another plus of this is that Epic (or Crytek/Google) will be in charge of all engine updates and maintenance. No more having to pester Hendricks and Plagman for bug fixes.

[Mike Norvak]

Updated the poll with more points.

https://forums.duke4...g-duke-nukem-ip

I hope the list would come in handy when the time for the streaming comes.

[Randy Pitchford]

Hi,

Objective: A group live chat (Google Hangout or group Skype) with four or five members of this community where we discuss whatever issues we can cover in the designated time. Chat can either be recorded or streamed so that it can be shared. Depending on how it goes, we may schedule follow-up conversations. I can have someone from my side deal with logistics, technology, etc.

I need someone I can interface with to serve as a liaison and to organize the other participants from this community. Can this community self-organize to recommend one from among you for this purpose?

Thanks!

- Randy

[Forge]

The obvious is obvious.
TerminX and/or Yatta

[stumppy84]

Ditto, and please stream it!

[MusicallyInspired]

Agree.

[Hendricks266]

TerminX.

[Mark]

agree, so we can get moving on this now

[High Treason]

Yatta, primarily because I want to see Randy's reaction to being repeatedly molested.

[Yatta]

Randy Pitchford, on 16 May 2017 - 07:34 AM, said:

Hi,

Objective: A group live chat (Google Hangout or group Skype) with four or five members of this community where we discuss whatever issues we can cover in the designated time. Chat can either be recorded or streamed so that it can be shared. Depending on how it goes, we may schedule follow-up conversations. I can have someone from my side deal with logistics, technology, etc.

I need someone I can interface with to serve as a liaison and to organize the other participants from this community. Can this community self-organize to recommend one from among you for this purpose?

Thanks!

- Randy

Let's do a recorded Skype session. I'll PM you my Skype username and I'll see if I can get TX to join in.

[TerminX]

I can do Skype.

[Mike Norvak]

I agree about TX and Yatta, although a third person would be great. MBlackwell?

[Trebor_UK]

Frederik Schreiber anyone?

But yeah, Tx & Yatta seem like good choices. What about Green? Maybe NukemDave?

[brullov]

TX and Yatta.

[Mark]

And to liven it up a bit, TeaMonster.

[Romulus]

Greetings Everyone.

I'm going to keep this brief as I know Randy's time is valuable.

To lay the foundations for future Duke Nukem games it's essential to solidify the existing Duke Nukem titles. Allowing Duke Nukem Forever to be modded might help to achieve just that. Duke Nukem 3D and the original DOOM are still popular to this date because of active modding communities. I'm sure with the DNF editor released to the public, we'll see some amazing original content for DNF. To be more specific, DNF's Multiplayer is an aspect that's severely overlooked/under rated and IMO could satisfy the hardcore Duke fans and at the same time create interest among new gamers if DNF allows mods for both SP and MP.

A modern remake of the classic Duke Nukem 3D wouldn't be a bad idea. It could be the catalyst the Duke IP needs to create a new fan base alongside the existing one. A reboot like DOOM that stuck to it's core gameplay mechanics and made great use of modern technology, achieved great success not only financially but also managed to make the majority of it's fanbase happy. It is my firm belief that if the same is done with Duke, it'll be an instant GOTY.

Fixing some of the quirks that made DN3D WT a turn off for a large portion of the die hard old school Duke fans would be kicking things off in the right direction.

My sincerest apologies for my headache inducing post as English is not my primary language.

[MusicallyInspired]

I would like to see at least one other person from the community join TX and Yatta in the call/event/whatever, if only because they already have some form of relationship with Randy/Gearbox. Yatta to a lesser degree I gather? But just having another voice that Randy hasn't heard, even though I know the aforementioned Great Two are more than competent to relay concerns, just to represent someone else form this community. If that makes any sense.

[Hank]

MusicallyInspired, on 16 May 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

I would like to see at least one other person from the community join TX and Yatta in the call/event/whatever, if only because they already have some form of relationship with Randy/Gearbox. Yatta to a lesser degree I gather? But just having another voice that Randy hasn't heard, even though I know the aforementioned Great Two are more than competent to relay concerns, just to represent someone else form this community. If that makes any sense.

Yes, it makes sense but who?
Why not let it go with Yatta and TerminX for now, to get a bridge going, and next round with one or two prominent members.

[NUKEMDAVE]

I would recommend getting Commando Nukem in on this video chat, even if it's just audio from him and he's up for it. He would be good for discussing the future of Duke.

[DukeNukem64]

How about picking tx, yatta and a third who has less ''knowledge'' about Duke and is less known in here. Also preferably someone who is not from U.S.
In that way we can keep some elements that made Duke great, but also accept more modern elements and get more diversification for Randy.