[Master O]

So did anything ever come from asking Interplay about RR's source code?

[Mark]

No idea. I don't follow that stuff.

[Marphy Black]

I recently checked out the Cuss Pack, and I was disappointed to see that its installation method is simply to provide a set of VOC files that override the normal lines. This means the original non-cuss lines are eliminated, so you can only choose between one or the other. Seeing as how the Cuss Pack lines tend to get repetitious rather quickly, I've attempted to make a mod that merges them into the game without overriding anything. As full and immediate disclosure, though, this endeavor isn't 100% doable right now as some of the lines are hard coded into the exe rather than defined in the CON files.

The following are the instances I could implement the Cuss Pack as alternate lines with 50% random chance:

• All of Leonard's gibbing remark cusses
  
• Leonard's alternate weapon pickup ("Hush puppy!") cuss
  
• Leonard's alternate Turd Minion ("Ah, crapnel!") cuss
  
• Old Coot's roam, pain, and death cusses
  
• Billy Ray's roam and pain cusses
  
• All of Sheriff Hobbes' cusses
  
• Alien Vixen's alternate "hiya!" cuss

However, the following are still unchanged:

• Old Coot's recog cuss
  
• Billy Ray's recog cuss
  
• Leonard's alternate locked door/gate cuss
  
• Leonard's alternate crapping cuss
  
• Leonard's alternate low health pickup ("Now you're makin' bacon!") cuss

With that in mind, here's the download for the current version of my Cuss Pack Mixed Edition:
RRCussPack_Mixed.zip

To install, extract everything to your Redneck Rampage directory. Route 66-compatible CONs are provided. No Rides Again version just yet. Note that these modified CONs will break demo sync, if you're concerned about that.

[fgsfds]

I got super mad at this particular key, so I made keys bigger and brighter. Enjoy.

 rr_000.png (128.1K)
Number of downloads: 112

Attached File(s)

•  TILES000.zip (468.24K)
  Number of downloads: 3

[Lunick]

Probably breaks some of the "realism" but it's a change for the better, I hate those keys.

[Bruno Mattei]

Is it possible for you guys to fix the original maps and make them not terrible?

[NNC]

I think these keys should get recognizable dynamic lights (and maybe even different colors) instead of size.

[FistMarine]

I have posted my thoughts about this game previously on the "Redneck Rampage on Eduke32" topic and I will copy paste the contents of the post into a spoiler:

Spoiler

Speaking of Redneck Rampage, now I know I will get some hate for saying this (especially if there are some people on the forums who like/love RR) but I personally think the RR games are pretty much mediocre at best, I mean I played all 3 games last summer (using some Family Reunion iso I got from some site, which included all 3 games) using DOSBox on the 4th skill and got pretty much every secret using YouTube walkthroughs (only one secret I didn't get was one of unreachable secrets in one of levels of Route 66 I guess) and I didn't find anything special about these games. I wanted to originally post this into the topic "Redneck Rampage corner" many months ago but have forgotten since then and since this topic got bumped recently, I thought I might as well post here.

Now what I didn't like about RR is that it plays pretty much like a shitty version of Duke Nukem 3D. The level design (especially in the main game) is pretty terrible (example the Sewers level), the redneck humor is fucking awful (though I admit some of the lines made me laugh but otherwise too much toilet humor and just unfunny humor in general), there is a lot of backtracking, the weapons feel lackluster, the keys all look the same and are very hard to see, the enemy variety is low and some of the enemies are pretty shitty (no pun intended), the art style is quite ugly (though the textures are higher quality and pretty good) and sometimes there is little health or ammo laying around in some of levels. However unlike other people who don't know too much about how mechanics work in this game, I got used to the mechanics quickly, like the alcohol and food meters. The best is to have both in the green zone because some people don't know that if you have one of the meters in the green zone, you take LESS damage from attacks. For instance, having either meter on the green means 25% damage reduction from attacks (example you take 15 damage instead of 20) and if you have BOTH meters in green zone, you have 75% damage reduction from attacks, so you take like only 5 damage out of 20. However due to the way Duke3D code works, you may notice the following oddities:
-You always take one less hp damage than the damage inflicted number (mostly to hitscan attacks), example if an attack does 20 damage, you actually take 19 damage (and only 14 or 4 respectively if you have the meters in green zone), now I don't know exactly why 1 point of damage is omitted but this is something that happened in original Duke3D as well (you may have noticed pig cops doing like 9 damage) and not sure what causes it.
-The "armor" system in this game (that consists of having the meters in the green zone) is also sometimes ignored if you are low on health and an attack that you are supposed to survive with armor but you don't, example: you have 14 health left and have both meters in green zone but someone hits you with a bullet that normally does 19 damage but was supposed to only do 4 damage here and you still die. This is something that also happened in original Duke3D with the armor that didn't save you from an attack that did the amount of damage either equal or more than current health you had. I think this cause is because of code that checks first for amount of health instead of checking for armor available and because of that if finds that health is not enough, you die anyway (armor also becomes 0 when you die, no matter how much you had before).

Well anyway aside from all these details that are too boring to list, I also found the game quite buggy at times, like one of the levels having broken door that even with key can't be opened and that means you must use some trick with the moonshine to jump on top of building if you don't want to use NOCLIP cheat. And enemies also felt very buggy at times, suffering from poor hit detection (especially the animals) and the dogs especially also having a weird bite attack that eats 10 health away very fast (thankfully with the meters at green, they aren't that bad), sometimes happening even if you just start to run from them, as soon as they attack, they will always hit you, so you must stand far away from them if you don't want to lose a lot of health. Of the normal enemies, I think the worst are the alien hulks and alien vixens, though the hulks could be easily killed with their own weapon and then their corpse had to be blown up quickly, otherwise they resurrect. At least upon exploding, they would always drop their gun which was really good in general. And as for the vixens, well let's say they can be very nasty sometimes due to their...well guns.

I could go on the whole day to point out all the issues about this game. On the other hand there are some good things about RR like the superior level design in Route 66 (I think they had the best designed levels of the RR games, as R66 was done by Sunstorm Interactive who also did Duke DC, Duke Caribbean, Cryptic Passage and Wanton Destruction) and the level progression felt much better and level design overall felt better, better enemy placement, etc. The sequel Rides Again also improved over the original game but in my opinion not as much as Route 66 in terms of level design but at least the new enemies, weapons and the ridable vehicles also improved the gameplay significantly.

As for health and ammo available, earlier I said there were some situations where there was lack of health and ammo but it depends a lot of the level, as there were some levels that had a lot of supplies. And then there were few levels that took away all your weapons but it was no problem getting the guns back in short time. Usually ammo was plentiful and sometimes at end of episode I ended up with full ammo on all weapons, as I knew to conserve ammo for each weapon and not go blindly with just shotgun for example. As for health, it depends a lot what and how you use the types of food and drink and how you balance the meters. Just be careful to not drink too much or if you get drunk, then you must wait some time to make the meter lower or else you are screwed as it's hard to control the player character, especially if you have the alcohol meter in red zone, in which case the image rotates (like if you looked left/right in Duke3d) and stays like that until you vomit. I also read before that it's possible to make the player fall down after drinking too much and sober up a bit later but I never got that to happen in my game, like I said maximum I could get to make view distorted and vomit to return to normal with no loss of health.

Despite all what I said, I don't think it's the worst game I have ever played but I don't think it's as good as some people say it is, as judging from lots of comments on YouTube (especially on GGGmanlives' review of main game who was right in nearly every aspect of the game, yet a lot of people criticized him in comments), people overlook the game's issues with the nostalgia goggles just because they played the game when they were young. I didn't and I'm glad I didn't play it (I didn't even have it anyway) as I would have probably hated it. Instead I grew up with much better games like Duke3D, Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Quake, Wolfenstein 3D and so on. And even if I also didn't play Blood and Shadow Warrior as kid (as I also didn't have them), I actually found them to be pretty good when I found them about 10 or so years ago and the nostalgia isn't even there in this case, or at least not as much. As such, I prefer Blood and SW over something like Wolfenstein 3D, which I played as kid but didn't found the game that special, though I do realize it was groundbreaking for its time but it didn't age well.

From the big four (or big five if we include the recent Ion Maiden) Build Engine games, I think RR is the weakest of all of them. It has some good moments (especially in R66 and RA) but the game as a whole, feels like a slog and you feel like you want to finish it as soon as possible, so you don't have to play it again.

I still hope the game gets supported someday to EDuke32. With all the game's faults, it will still be a worthy inclusion to the EDuke32 port.

In short:

-Bad/uninspired level design, especially in the main game (the expansions highly improved the level design at least)
-Bad collision detection of some enemies (especially the animals that are difficult to hit)
-Crappy humor (for the most part, especially when relies too much on burp and fart humor)
-Lackluster weapons (some of the weapons feel too weak and not interesting to use)
-Too much backtracking and difficult to see keys

Overall it plays like a shittier version of Duke Nukem 3D. The expansions improved the game significantly but you know how they say: a polished turd is still a turd.

[MetHy]

RunningDuke, on 13 May 2018 - 02:13 AM, said:

The expansions improved the game significantly but you know how they say: a polished turd is still a turd.

There is only one expansion. Rides Again is a sequel.

I think RA is the most underrated Build game. It has some amazing stuff, Refinery is probably my favourite map from any Build game ever, it's everything a Build map should be.

[Phredreeke]

People complain about Smithsonian Terror, but I spent like an hour each on the Sewers and Smelting Plant levels...

[fgsfds]

Quick fix. Better sprite and RA compatibility.


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Number of downloads: 71


 TILES000.zip (474.74K)
Number of downloads: 12

[axl]

MetHy, on 13 May 2018 - 02:51 AM, said:

I think RA is the most underrated Build game.

Yes. Rides Again has a much better and varied level design compared to the first game. A very entertaining game.

[NY00123]

It was just a few months ago when I finally got to play Redneck Rampage (the original maps) for real,
but what can I say about this specific key - oh boy, that (semi)hidden key!

Looks like I shall really continue with 66 and (especially?) RA at some point. Only had a sneak peek into 66's first map after completing RR.

[Bruno Mattei]

https://youtu.be/K1M4uHvqsbU

Even Gggman, who thoroughly trashed RR, said Suckin' Grits and Rides Again were significantly better. I'm waiting for the eventual GDX port before trying this again.

[Daedolon]

I feel Route 66 is much worse than the main game. It feels directionless and is a pain to play compared to the original.

[Bruno Mattei]

Daedolon, on 13 May 2018 - 10:37 PM, said:

I feel Route 66 is much worse than the main game. It feels directionless and is a pain to play compared to the original.

I feel you're wrong.

[LAW]

I can feel the smell of Pokemon nearby...

Anyway Route 66 level design seems to be rushed (lack of proper foliage - just simple green walls etc). The levels were cool, but probably it was the worst of all Sunstorm addons.

I don't quite get why people find the original RR levels to be boring or keys to be too well hidden. I love exploration in real lfe. I just go and wander around to see what's behind that hill. I get the same experience in Redneck levels: wandering with nature. Of course for that I need to turn the music off.

Going for a trip in Redneck is sometimes better than in real life, because in Redneck I don't get tired

[Mark]

...and you get to shoot chickens.

[Sanek]

LAW, on 14 May 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

I can feel the smell of Pokemon nearby...

Anyway Route 66 level design seems to be rushed (lack of proper foliage - just simple green walls etc). The levels were cool, but probably it was the worst of all Sunstorm addons.

Duke Xtreme is actually the worst Sunstorm addons, along with W!Zone for Warcraft II. Route 66 is a good expansion with excellent gameplay. At least it's not as maze-like as the original game.

[MusicallyInspired]

The best part of Xtreme was all the mods you could add, not the maps. I loved the new devastator and the new enemies were neat (at the time, even if they never made sense). And the user friendly interface for tweaking game settings like max health, max gibs, etc. It was just a funhouse sandbox Duke utility. I know that stuff can all be done without it, but it was just neat to have the frontend for it all.

One time I increased the max gibs so much I crashed the game when I walked into a fountain of alien parts flying all over the place after shooting one with an RPG.

[Phredreeke]

After having played through RR I'm now nearly done with Route 66 (finished Hoover Dam last night) and I find it pretty enjoyable. Given the amount of mappers who worked on it, I could say that it's (like the Cryptic Passage expansion for Blood) not as consistent as the main game or the Sunstorm Duke expansions.

[Phredreeke]

Finished Redneck Rampages Rides Again last night. I feel it's a mixed bag. Gamblin' Boat in particular is really great. Other highlights were Disgraceland and the Refinery. I didn't care much for WACO and the vehicular levels though, particularly the maze-like swamp levels.

[Bruno Mattei]

LAW, on 14 May 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

I can feel the smell of Pokemon nearby...

How do you feel a smell you dumb fuck?

I don't like getting into pissing contests with randoms but if you say that RR's levels are not confusing and are not badly laid out then you're either (A) lying ( B ) you looked up a guide or ( C ) you're contrarian. You want to be different from everyone else and just want everyone to know how unique you are. That or you just don't know what you're talking about.

I played through most of RR. It's shit. It has the absolute worst sewer level I have ever fucking seen in any FPS game I've played. A lot of people like to shit on Witchaven but the level design in that game was nowhere near the terrible-ness of RR. I rarely got lost in WH. As opposed to getting lost all the time in RR. That's the main issue that holds back RR aside from the aiming being a little off, the limited animations on enemies, and some bad balance with certain enemy types. But the level design is the big culprit.

[Zaxx]

Bruno Mattei, on 20 May 2018 - 07:18 PM, said:

How do you feel a smell you dumb fuck?

I don't like getting into pissing contests with randoms but if you say that RR's levels are not confusing and are not badly laid out then you're either (A) lying ( B ) you looked up a guide or ( C ) you're contrarian. You want to be different from everyone else and just want everyone to know how unique you are. That or you just don't know what you're talking about.

I played through most of RR. It's shit. It has the absolute worst sewer level I have ever fucking seen in any FPS game I've played. A lot of people like to shit on Witchaven but the level design in that game was nowhere near the terrible-ness of RR. I rarely got lost in WH. As opposed to getting lost all the time in RR. That's the main issue that holds back RR aside from the aiming being a little off, the limited animations on enemies, and some bad balance with certain enemy types. But the level design is the big culprit.

Umm, this may come as a shock to you but I never found RR's level design that confusing, in fact the level design was one of the few things I liked about the game. The "confusion" was what made the levels interesting to me because every single one of them felt like a puzzle you have to solve. I wouldn't call it good FPS level design because it doesn't really fit the pacing of an old school FPS but I think that if you like point-n-click games or you generally enjoy hunting for secrets in FPS you'll like RR's level design.

[NightFright]

The horrible thing about RR is that the keys are almost invisible. I dunno how many of them I missed because they are so small and black. Which is great when they are placed in dark areas.
That and some switches in really stupid and obscure places were what made RR frustrating for me.

[Phredreeke]

if you were to take the levels of RR (including Route 66 and Rides Again) and compile into one episode what would it look like?

Drive-In
House of Ill Repute (Route 66)
Gamblin' Boat (Rides Again)
The Nut House
Disgraceland (Rides Again) with secret exit to Moto Madness
Bigfoot Convention (Route 66)
Refinery (Rides Again) with secret exit to Uranium Mines
Beaudry Mansion + boss fight
Moto Madness (Rides Again) as secret level
Uranium Mines as second secret level

[Aristotle Gumball]

Honestly one of the least memorable games from this era for me. Just plain shitty level design and I couldn't "hang" with the humor either. I mean, for a build game it looks great, but that's just kind of neat. Like when somebody made Doom run on a calculator.

[LAW]

Quote

How do you feel a smell you dumb fuck?

I don't like getting into pissing contests with randoms but if you say that RR's levels are not confusing and are not badly laid out then you're either (A) lying ( B ) you looked up a guide or ( C ) you're contrarian. You want to be different from everyone else and just want everyone to know how unique you are. That or you just don't know what you're talking about.

I appologize for my mistake. Here, in Poland we also use the word which could be translated as feel, when we describe our experiences with smells. I didn't know that it doesn't work that way in the english language.

I tell the truth, I haven't had too many problems during my first Redneck playthrough. Who knows, some dumb fucks like me just have luck and I just miraculously finished RR. I am also extremely lucky that I met you, because you remind me of a pigeon. And talking to you is like playing the chess with a pigeon: it will knock over the pawns, shit on the chessboard and it will finally fly away thinking that it won.

[Phredreeke]

Since M210 is now working on RedneckGDX, the need for widescreen-compatible weapon graphics came up on discord.

I made some for the alien arm gun. https://files.fm/f/7feaq83w

I've put together all (I think?) first person graphics of weapons in the game in this archive in case anyone want to do any of the others https://files.fm/f/pf25mgqf

[Hang-lip]

I've been playing RR:RA and I feel the levels are as well made as the originals, but suffer the same flaws like obscure level flow (RR:RA improved that some what) and those itty bit keys.

Route 66 levels suck grit, it makes my eyes hurt.

I tried erampage, while it looks a lot nicer I can't handle the bugs.

Xatrix did some sweet things with build.