Modding Will Find a Way...
#1 Posted 06 November 2015 - 06:44 PM
Looks like they have been quietly beavering away on the original Duke Mod for SS3.
Courtesy of the talented Mr. Kaffeebohnson
http://forums.seriou...?t=65751&page=3
This post has been edited by Tea Monster: 06 November 2015 - 06:45 PM
#3 Posted 06 November 2015 - 07:44 PM
Extracting the model data from DNF and importing it into another game that has tools for it allows this, trying it the other way around (crap into DNF) is never going to be easy.
#4 Posted 06 November 2015 - 08:37 PM
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#5 Posted 06 November 2015 - 10:48 PM
But it's awesome.
This post has been edited by MusicallyInspired: 06 November 2015 - 10:50 PM
#6 Posted 07 November 2015 - 06:26 AM
MusicallyInspired, on 06 November 2015 - 10:48 PM, said:
But it's awesome.
My thoughts exactly. The letter will be in the mail on Monday.
Meaning we have all weekend to get a copy
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This post has been edited by Drek: 07 November 2015 - 06:27 AM
#7 Posted 07 November 2015 - 06:29 AM
The DLC files don't extract with Noesis.
#8 Posted 08 November 2015 - 12:23 AM
#9 Posted 08 November 2015 - 06:43 PM
#10 Posted 14 November 2015 - 02:21 AM
#11 Posted 14 November 2015 - 05:57 AM
#12 Posted 14 November 2015 - 03:46 PM
Tea Monster, on 14 November 2015 - 05:57 AM, said:
The Bonus Pack or Jewel of the Nile? Either way I'd buy it for you.
#13 Posted 14 November 2015 - 04:16 PM
#14 Posted 14 November 2015 - 05:48 PM
#15 Posted 14 November 2015 - 06:05 PM
MusicallyInspired, on 14 November 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:
I think the only thing the Bonus Pack adds to the actual game is a Sniper Scope added to the Devastator and a multiplayer skin.
I'm pretty sure it would be just the Jewel of the Nile DLC that is required then.
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#18 Posted 16 November 2015 - 08:39 AM
#19 Posted 18 November 2015 - 07:34 AM
StrikerMan780, on 08 November 2015 - 06:43 PM, said:
While I agree with you on principle, when you have millions of dollars behind something you protect it vigorously. We should all just get over DNF, it is a pile of shit, held together by failed dreams and stupid luck. The engine is a mess, the assets are a mess. Yes you can grab the assets and plug it into another engine, but you will get a C&D from Gearbox.
Modding DNF has no future in it, and people should stop wasting there time with it. Content guys on here should be trying to re-create some of those assets and make a eduke mod out of it. If your going to spend your time working on something, make sure you won't get sued for releasing it.
This post has been edited by icecoldduke: 18 November 2015 - 07:35 AM
#20 Posted 18 November 2015 - 07:56 PM
Take DNF 2013 for example... while I like it, and it is a good mod in it's own right, it'll never feel like the true Duke3D sequel I've been waiting for. At the end of the day, it just feels like another Duke3D mod, not something entirely new in a true-3D engine like DNF 2001 was going to be.
By the way, who can legitimately say the engine is a mess unless they've seen the source? It's not like DNF is poorly optimized, ran perfectly fine for me on nearly decade-old hardware. The console versions were a mess though, load times were ass, buggy as fuck, and slow/terrible FPS. The only thing that is really fucked in the PC version is the fact they stripped out the console that had proper tab-completion. There's some MP bugs needing fixing too. As for whether or not it has a future? It could if they weren't total dicks and released the tools. Can't be any worse than those out there still making Daikatana mods. Hell, I wouldn't mind that... people have made it a playable game through mods, DNF could have used the same treatment.
This post has been edited by StrikerMan780: 18 November 2015 - 08:09 PM
#21 Posted 19 November 2015 - 03:32 AM
I have to thank icecoldduke for trying to help with Polymer issues, but that isn't going to turn EDuke into a modern gaming engine. The renderer is only half the problem with EDuke32. That isn't anyone's fault - the engine is built on the core of 2.5D tech, so it isn't supposed to support modern workflows.
#22 Posted 19 November 2015 - 07:12 AM
StrikerMan780, on 18 November 2015 - 07:56 PM, said:
They fucked up their level editor to the point were the content guys could barely use it. That's all the evidence I need.
StrikerMan780, on 18 November 2015 - 07:56 PM, said:
Tea Monster said:
I never understood this mentality, there is no technical reason why build/eduke32 can't become a modern engine. There was no technical reason why John Carmack heavily refactored the Doom engine into what became Quake, besides it was interesting to do. Rendering/Platform engineers such as myself like re-writing code, and that has to stop. It takes a lot of discipline to say "System X doesn't need to be re-done, it has shipped multiple games, it is a time tested system...why fuck with it?". Build has a lot thing's going for it. I have worked professionally in all the big engines out there, and truth be told I like a lot of what build has to offer.
Adding in a physics system and skeletal animation isn't difficult, and the engine could handle it easily. It will just take time. To say that eduke/build can't become a modern engine is just wrong. We are all doing this for free in our spare time. If we were getting paid for it, and had a few other full time paid guys working on the engine, I think we could easily bring build into current gen. So content wouldn't be a "vague imitation".
This post has been edited by icecoldduke: 19 November 2015 - 07:50 AM
#23 Posted 19 November 2015 - 01:51 PM
I'll shut up since I'd like to see physics and skeletal animation
#24 Posted 23 November 2015 - 04:16 AM
Micky C, on 19 November 2015 - 01:51 PM, said:
I'll shut up since I'd like to see physics and skeletal animation
It's worth it for the main reason that it's the only way we can make our own modern Duke without Gearbox suing the pants off of everyone involved.
#25 Posted 23 November 2015 - 12:30 PM
StrikerMan780, on 23 November 2015 - 04:16 AM, said:
Correct.
#26 Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:44 AM
icecoldduke, on 19 November 2015 - 07:12 AM, said:
Forgot to say this earlier, but all that tells me is they cobbled together their tools, throwing them together as they needed them for the various proprietary formats they created. I've seen this happen with several games, Source Engine included. (The Source SDK used to be a horrendous fucking mess. Fine now, but man... when it started out, fuck. The engine itself was reasonably fine at the time however. Content creation is what the nightmare was.)
This post has been edited by StrikerMan780: 24 November 2015 - 03:44 AM
#27 Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:15 AM
StrikerMan780, on 24 November 2015 - 03:44 AM, said:
There using a heavily modified Unreal engine(what was it 1.9?), if they fucked up UnrealED to the point were it wasn't usable, IMO that's all I need to know. They definitely fucked with all the underlying systems(rendering, UnrealScript System, etc), I doubt they did a heavy refactoring of UnrealED, hence that gives me a good indication of how bad the code base actually is. If UnrealED is crashing its because of all the bullshit they did to the rest of the engine.
This post has been edited by icecoldduke: 24 November 2015 - 05:15 AM
#28 Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:37 AM
#29 Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:55 AM
icecoldduke, on 24 November 2015 - 05:15 AM, said:
I know DNF uses a heavily modified Unreal. But, regarding the state of the editor, where are you even getting your information from? Sounds like nothing but made-up speculation to me. The only time I heard something remotely like that is an anonymous poster who claimed to be Ex-3DR, but there was no proof of it's authenticity. Everything else I heard about DNF was just really poor management, which was no fault of the engine itself. The only real bad thing I've heard about the engine is that it was built on an old foundation, so by 2011, it was very underwhelming tech-wise.
MusicallyInspired, on 24 November 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:
It is.
This post has been edited by StrikerMan780: 24 November 2015 - 06:05 AM