[Inspector Lagomorf]

Mark., on 03 August 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

Nope. I had to Google it.

Let's just say that I believed back then, and believe now, that Microsoft mocking Google for tracking its users - and creating an ad campaign out of it, AND unwisely selling merchandise advertising "Scroogled" - is quite firmly in the realm of the pot calling the kettle black.

But, Microsoft has been known for its bad decisions. So what's another one to add to the pile?

[Duke of Hazzard]

Well, I only unchecked all the M$ spy features during installation. Everything should be all right...

...right?

Haven't met Cortana yet BTW.

[Hank]

Duke of Hazzard, on 05 August 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

Well, I only unchecked all the M$ spy features during installation. Everything should be all right...

...right?

Haven't met Cortana yet BTW.

If you disabled all snooping features, Cortana should stay silent.


Right now I am trying to reduce Win 10 to an OS, one good thing I noticed, their Media stuff is gone without me having to remove it. There is hope.

[Duke of Hazzard]

Hank, on 06 August 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

If you disabled all snooping features, Cortana should stay silent.


Right now I am trying to reduce Win 10 to an OS, one good thing I noticed, their Media stuff is gone without me having to remove it. There is hope.

So it's like marriage then, to have Cortana you have to give her the keys to your home and your car, as well as a credit card...

I didn't realize it was logging keypresses, actually. I thought it was just the standard "send my data to M$" bullshit.

[Jeff]

Turned off Cortana.

[Hank]

Duke of Hazzard, on 06 August 2015 - 06:16 PM, said:

So it's like marriage then, to have Cortana you have to give her the keys to your home and your car, as well as a credit card...

I didn't realize it was logging keypresses, actually. I thought it was just the standard "send my data to M{:content:}quot; bullshit.

No, not marriage. Cortana is simply a personal assistant. You need to open the program first. It will search then through all personal data it can find on your computer, to be most effective. Without data, Cortana is just a gadget. - My girl want a bit more from me. Hugs, and I love you etc; and unlike Cortana, you can't refuse without repercussions.

Also, I don't sign up for software development programs, yet find nothing terribly wrong with those that do. In Canada, the cops still have to provide a search warrant to get that data from the developers. Even then, it's more effective to analyze your own computer.

[Mark]

It just brought a smile to my face to think about what MS will do when they scour the hard drive and surfing habits of a porn hungry guy and try to tailor helpful hints and adverts for him.

BTW, has anyone discovered yet how Cortana handles obscenities?

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Mark., on 07 August 2015 - 09:47 AM, said:

It just brought a smile to my face to think about what MS will do when they scour the hard drive and surfing habits of a porn hungry guy and try to tailor helpful hints and adverts for him.

[Duke of Hazzard]

Hank, on 07 August 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

In Canada, the cops still have to provide a search warrant to get that data from the developers.

In any moderately civilized country, really. Except for the US.

[Person of Color]

Mark., on 07 August 2015 - 09:47 AM, said:

It just brought a smile to my face to think about what MS will do when they scour the hard drive and surfing habits of a porn hungry guy and try to tailor helpful hints and adverts for him.

"Honey, what's with all these Groupons for horse riding lessons?"

[Robman]

Hank, on 07 August 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

Cortana is just a gadget.

A gun is just a gadget until you feed it and point it in the wrong direction.

Hank, on 07 August 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

In Canada, the cops still have to provide a search warrant to get that data from the developers. Even then, it's more effective to analyze your own computer.

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...ments-1.2930120

[Lunick]

Mark., on 07 August 2015 - 09:47 AM, said:

BTW, has anyone discovered yet how Cortana handles obscenities?

[Hank]

Robman, on 07 August 2015 - 10:03 PM, said:

A gun is just a gadget until you feed it and point it in the wrong direction.

So what are you really trying to say?

Robman, on 07 August 2015 - 10:03 PM, said:

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...ments-1.2930120

You realize that this has nothing to do with the Canadian Criminal code. The Canadian Spy Agency was, is and will act above the law, their job is to find enemies of the State, and if you read the entire sequence, Facebook, not Windows was the main assistant in getting an address.

[Robman]

Hank, on 07 August 2015 - 10:44 PM, said:

So what are you really trying to say?

You realize that this has nothing to do with the Canadian Criminal code. The Canadian Spy Agency was, is and will act above the law, their job is to find enemies of the State, and if you read the entire sequence, Facebook, not Windows was the main assistant in getting an address.

I'm trying to say, we're screwed.

I'm saying, events have more than likely been fabricated to keep or put us in a state of fear so that we'll accept any measure of actions that proclaim to keep us safe. In reality they probably couldn't catch a cold and yet they gather up every bit of information to master your domain.

Is everybody ok with the things that make you, YOU... being stolen from you on a regular basis? Or just because you can't see it, that makes it ok?

When will it stop? Will it get better? Will it get worse? My money is on MUCH worse....

[Radar]

Robman > "AAAAAAAHHHH"

Radar > "Srsly do0d"

[Robman]

Well, shrink this down in scale.

If you had a small community and you had 1 dickhead going around spying on everybody, you'd probably end up collectively kicking the shit out of that person.

There's a reason they tried to keep spying a secret, because it's wrong.
Now that it's out in the open, they'll try coming up with a million excuses as to why they should. Because afterall, they've already spent billions of YOUR dollars to do it.

As for Facebook, Microsoft etc... when they take your data, you don't own it anymore....period.

Just wait til' the day comes when your genes are patented and you've gotta pay a fee to have a kid, lol.

I have no faith in capitalism regulating itself.

[Radar]

You already do pay to have a child. Kid's lives are expensive bro.

[Hank]

Robman, on 08 August 2015 - 11:20 AM, said:

Well, shrink this down in scale.

If you had a small community and you had 1 dickhead going around spying on everybody, you'd probably end up collectively kicking the shit out of that person.

There's a reason they tried to keep spying a secret, because it's wrong.
Now that it's out in the open, they'll try coming up with a million excuses as to why they should. Because afterall, they've already spent billions of YOUR dollars to do it.

As for Facebook, Microsoft etc... when they take your data, you don't own it anymore....period.

Just wait til' the day comes when your genes are patented and you've gotta pay a fee to have a kid, lol.

Guess what, I have been spied on since the day I started walking. First my mom, then a fat ugly hag watching the street all day long. She knew everything about anyone. Your typical busybody. What did my mom do and the neighborhood at large? Well, my mom gave her free Watchtower and Awake magazines and others what ever they had.

Super powers like the USA and before Common Wealth, did not need Microsoft or Facebook to spy on the undesirables and suppress them. Is it wrong? Depends on which side you are on. To go back to the above sample, the mothers were quite happy to have a constant watch dog around (this fat ugly hag), the kids learned how to circumvent and hide. - I choose to live in the Americas. I knew the darker side of history of the US and Britain, and also the benefit living in the wealthiest country on this planet, before I settled here.

As for data. If I hang all my personal data in front of a real window, there is a good chance someone will read it. If I place sensitive data on my computer then it is my job to assure that this data does not end in the wrong hands. I have no clue why people are storing their data on third party cloud servers they have no control over, or enter the internet without proper protection. It is very simple to keep private data private. But the so called 95% of the masses have been known to be stupid, for like since history is written. It would be nice for them to use their brain, but just because they have one, does not mean they use it.

Back to the topic, so far Windows 10 works, I may even upgrade my old computers as well.

[Robman]

Hank, on 08 August 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:

Guess what, I have been spied on since the day I started walking. First my mom, then a fat ugly hag watching the street all day long. She knew everything about anyone. Your typical busybody. What did my mom do and the neighborhood at large? Well, my mom gave her free Watchtower and Awake magazines and others what ever they had.

Well pertaining to the mother, similarities exist, take for instance that the boogieman will get you if you "fill in blank" to keep you in fear, the same as terrorism may get you if you "fill in the blank" ... "muh terrorism" as Hendricks would say.

The old hag, similarities also exist, such as having too much free time and likely a pension or retirement money/widow.. the same as the government(nsa/cse) has too much freetime and too much of YOUR money.

The difference is that the government is no longer or may never have been a maternal figure. I doubt the old hag kept a record of your transactions, sold you a GPS trackable device, felt the need to pump you full of vaccines (which will be increasingly mandated), chemtrail your air, pollute the genus of your flora. Tax you to no end...the list goes on... The old hag probably DID have your best interests at heart. You could always outrun the old hag or go to your room and draw the shades to get away from her.

Hank, on 08 August 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:

Super powers like the USA and before Common Wealth, did not need Microsoft or Facebook to spy on the undesirables and suppress them. Is it wrong? Depends on which side you are on. To go back to the above sample, the mothers were quite happy to have a constant watch dog around (this fat ugly hag), the kids learned how to circumvent and hide. - I choose to live in the Americas. I knew the darker side of history of the US and Britain, and also the benefit living in the wealthiest country on this planet, before I settled here.

Hank, on 07 August 2015 - 10:44 PM, said:

You realize that this has nothing to do with the Canadian Criminal code. The Canadian Spy Agency was, is and will act above the law, their job is to find enemies of the State, and if you read the entire sequence, Facebook, not Windows was the main assistant in getting an address.

Are you saying it's ok for your government to be above the law? Because of "muh terrorism?"

Let's just get real here for a moment, the west created this "terrorist" threat to accomplish certain goals.
Your freedoms being taken are but 1 of the goals on the agenda.

Hank, on 08 August 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:

As for data. If I hang all my personal data in front of a real window, there is a good chance someone will read it. If I place sensitive data on my computer then it is my job to assure that this data does not end in the wrong hands. I have no clue why people are storing their data on third party cloud servers they have no control over, or enter the internet without proper protection. It is very simple to keep private data private. But the so called 95% of the masses have been known to be stupid, for like since history is written. It would be nice for them to use their brain, but just because they have one, does not mean they use it.

Not sure if you've noticed but damn near everything is connected to the internet, everything is dangling infront of the window, whether you choose it or not.
Do banks/Judicial/Police/Insurance/websites/power generation/Gov services use the internet? uh.. yeah.
It's only every other day you hear of something being "hacked" and all kinds of information "stolen."

Hank, on 08 August 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:

Back to the topic, so far Windows 10 works, I may even upgrade my old computers as well.

I see no reason to upgrade. Some AI voice and slick "tile" interface which I would disable anyways are not good reasons to upgrade.

I'll be using 95/98/XP on my old old machines and 7 on my capable machines for years to come.

It's the same as cell phone salesmen, you walk by them with your older phone and they ask you what phone you have, you could have bought it yesterday but they'll call it a piece of shit and try to convince you to upgrade.

In my case I usually know more about the hardware than they do and eventually the argument comes down to them saying "because I need money"... lol.

Btw: my Galaxy S2X is the bee's Knees. 4.52" / 16gb internal / Memory card slot / 1.5ghz dual-core snapdragon/ 1gb ram/ 4g / BT 3.0 / NFC capable / Wifi a/b/g/n / 8mp AF w/ flash 1080p video, 2mp front cam / Adreno 220.

Made in 2011.

[Hank]

Robman, on 08 August 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

Well pertaining to the mother, similarities exist, take for instance that the boogieman will get you if you "fill in blank" to keep you in fear, the same as terrorism may get you if you "fill in the blank" ... "muh terrorism" as Hendricks would say.

The old hag, similarities also exist, such as having too much free time and likely a pension or retirement money/widow.. the same as the government(nsa/cse) has too much freetime and too much of YOUR money.

The difference is that the government is no longer or may never have been a maternal figure. I doubt the old hag kept a record of your transactions, sold you a GPS trackable device, felt the need to pump you full of vaccines (which will be increasingly mandated), chemtrail your air, pollute the genus of your flora. Tax you to no end...the list goes on... The old hag probably DID have your best interests at heart. You could always outrun the old hag or go to your room and draw the shades to get away from her.

You brought it up. If/when you talk your neighbors, you may find that most want to be protected. The price, loss of freedom. Most are willing to pay it.

Robman, on 08 August 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

Are you saying it's ok for your government to be above the law? Because of "muh terrorism?"

Let's just get real here for a moment, the west created this "terrorist" threat to accomplish certain goals.
Your freedoms being taken are but 1 of the goals on the agenda.

The West dominates this planet. Naturally it generates mortal enemies. Or are you saying terrorists don't exist and all of the news written about it is fiction?

Robman, on 08 August 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

Not sure if you've noticed but damn near everything is connected to the internet, everything is dangling infront of the window, whether you choose it or not.
Do banks/Judicial/Police/Insurance/websites/power generation/Gov services use the internet? uh.. yeah.
It's only every other day you hear of something being "hacked" and all kinds of information "stolen."

Before the internet, in paper time, sensitive material got stolen. Cash was stolen too. If you want to gather information, then you will gather that information. Just because the internet is widely used does not make this world any more threatening as it was before.

Robman, on 08 August 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

I see no reason to ugrade. Some AI voice and slick "tile" interface which I would disable anyways are not good reasons to upgrade.

I'll be using 95/98/XP on my old old machines and 7 on my capable machines for years to come.

It's the same as cell phone salesmen, you walk by them with your older phone and they ask you what phone you have, you could have bought it yesterday but they'll call it a piece of shit and try to convince you to upgrade.

In my case I usually know more about the hardware than they do and eventually the argument comes down to them saying "because I need money"... lol.

Btw: my Galaxy S2X is the bee's Knees. 4.52" / 16gb internal / Memory card slot / 1.5ghz dual-core snapdragon/ 1gb ram/ 4g / BT 3.0 / NFC capable / Wifi a/b/g/n / 8mp AF w/ flash 1080p video, 2mp front cam / Adreno 220.

Made in 2011.

I did not say you or anyone else should/has too or needs to upgrade. I happen to love technology, and I say, as in my very personal and arrogant opinion, that Windows 10 is a potential winner.

[Robman]

Hank, on 08 August 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

You brought it up. If/when you talk your neighbors, you may find that most want to be protected. The price, loss of freedom. Most are willing to pay it.

That's why people had guns/ bow and arrow or knife/ able body- A mode of more easily feeding yourself and or self defense. The added bonus of not needing your freedoms taken. The freedom of owning a gun is sure under attack though isn't it? ... coincidence?

Hank, on 08 August 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

The West dominates this planet. Naturally it generates mortal enemies. Or are you saying terrorists don't exist and all of the news written about it is fiction?

How long are we going to use the fabricated 9/11 as an excuse to castrate ourselves? 20-30-50 more years?

Hank, on 08 August 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

Before the internet, in paper time, sensitive material got stolen. Cash was stolen too. If you want to gather information, then you will gather that information. Just because the internet is widely used does not make this world any more threatening as it was before.

I guess the internet didn't broaden the availability of information and the term "viral" means nothing to you. Btw: that stuff you mentioned had to be physically stolen and then physically transported.

Hank, on 08 August 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

I did not say you or anyone else should/has too or needs to upgrade. I happen to love technology, and I say, as in my very personal and arrogant opinion, that Windows 10 is a potential winner.

Zippiddy doo dah, feed the beast.

[Mark]

Robman said: Not sure if you've noticed but damn near everything is connected to the internet

I wonder how long it will take before we start to hear the government tell us they will be monitoring and programming our "internet ready" thermostats for our own good and to save the planet.

[Robman]

Mark., on 08 August 2015 - 03:13 PM, said:

Robman said: Not sure if you've noticed but damn near everything is connected to the internet

I wonder how long it will take before we start to hear the government tell us they will be monitoring and programming our "internet ready" thermostats for our own good and to save the planet.

Bingo: Wireless Smartmeters, wireless fridges, stoves, microwaves, thermostats, tvs

They WILL regulate your power consumption. It's obviously inevitable and in the plans. Good eye Mark.

Didn't "The Prez" just say he's shutting down coal fired plants? .. The Pope is also onboard.

Better start buying some solar panels and wind turbines folks and NOT connect them to the grid.

Power consumption regulation already has 1 form as it is.. "peak times" let's just call that phase 1.

There's no excuse for our countries to be in "recession" or deep debt. It's bullshit and intentionally made to be so.

Sgt. Rarity, on 08 August 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

I bet we'll have to start paying for internet service too.

I liked it better when the silly shit you'd say was confined to My Little Pony.

[Radar]

I bet we'll have to start paying for internet service too.

[Hank]

Robman, on 08 August 2015 - 03:07 PM, said:

I guess the internet didn't broaden the availability of information and the term "viral" means nothing to you. Btw: that stuff you mentioned had to be physically stolen and then physically transported.

Sure, the internet broadened the availability of useful information, but is also flooded with advertisement, phobias, propaganda, general misinformation and conspiracies. Just because I don't buy into the world of fear mongering does not mean I underestimate those in power.

When everyone used paper, no one said, don't use paper because it could end up in the wrong hands. Important paper was protected. Now everyone uses the internet, and guess what, important data is being protected. Those that fail to do so, like government or banks end up in the news. Just like a hundred years ago when banks got robbed. They even made movies about it.

[Robman]

Hank, on 08 August 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

Sure, the internet broadened the availability of useful information, but is also flooded with advertisement, phobias, propaganda, general misinformation and conspiracies. Just because I don't buy into the world of fear mongering does not mean I underestimate those in power.

And before the internet, we had television for that. Those in power want more power and less people on the planet, should be fact to most by now.

Hank, on 08 August 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

When everyone used paper, no one said, don't use paper because it could end up in the wrong hands. Important paper was protected. Now everyone uses the internet, and guess what, important data is being protected. Those that fail to do so, like government or banks end up in the news. Just like a hundred years ago when banks got robbed. They even made movies about it.

Probably because before we had paper, we chiseled text into stone tablets and cave walls or word of mouth.
Please Hank, proceed to tell me how "important data" is so impermeable and safe? .. Fingerprints? Hah... encryption? Countries in war time thought their "encryption" was pretty safe also.. Face it dude, nothing is 100% safe. Connect anything to the internet and you just made your info more vulnerable.

We just learned the Android O/S had a serious security flaw, everything has security flaws.. past/present and future.
It's meant to be so.. they want to get your data, they want to know what you're doing in the most minute details.

You don't notice how every piece of software increasingly wants your data? Wants to "know" you?
Every generation of newborn software wants a bigger chunk of you to spread around.

Gimme your passwords.
Gimme your voice.
Gimme your fingerprint.
Gimme your conversations.
Gimme your interests.
Gimme your location.
Gimme where you work.
Gimme your family tree.
Gimme your thoughts.
Gimme your DNA.
Gimme your faith.

Give me your soul.

[Robman]

Hit a wrong button and shot a blank.. delete this, lol.

[Radar]

Hank, on 08 August 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

When everyone used paper, no one said, don't use paper because it could end up in the wrong hands. Important paper was protected. Now everyone uses the internet, and guess what, important data is being protected. Those that fail to do so, like government or banks end up in the news. Just like a hundred years ago when banks got robbed. They even made movies about it.

This. I know people who work in extremely protected offices. The buildings themselves are very secured - you can't even get in the parking lot without clearance, and these are non-government buildings too. All data is saved on their own private storage (no 3rd party cloud service) and any work that needs to be accessed at home can only be accessed using a vpn program developed in-house. Actually, all software used to modify data is developed in-house. And there's more security than that, but I don't know any other details.

Things that need to be secured can be secured. I don't have any social media accounts. The only things I have accounts for are Duke and Pony things. If somebody wants your information, I know the least I can do is to not give my information out for nothing.


Robman, it's stuff like this that reminds me that you work on a farm. If you actually worked in the technology sector, you'd know that we are indeed vulnerable, but you'd also know that there are still ways to be secured.

[Robman]

Sgt. Rarity, on 08 August 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

Robman, it's stuff like this that reminds me that you work on a farm. If you actually worked in the technology sector, you'd know that we are indeed vulnerable, but you'd also know that there are still ways to be secured.

Aren't you like 20 years old and in college? ... please.. rewind 3 years and you were at home in a semi-detached playing with yourself and your x-box

Your biggest concern being what skin you want on your 360 controller and where you hid your pony mags.

[Radar]

Robman, on 08 August 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

Aren't you like 20 years old and in college? ... please.. rewind 3 years and you were at home in a semi-detached playing with yourself and your x-box

I've never owned an xbox.