[Danukem]

DanM, on Oct 4 2010, 04:47 PM, said:

sorry i asked this before but it probably got snowed under with all the other changes being requested at the time

With point lights that have a pal 1 for the flashing effect, the shade controls the flicker ammount, it only accepts positive values, now if i give it negative values can the effect be reveresed so it stays on mostly on and only turns off now and then?

Shade is an 8-bit value and negative numbers ( -1 to -127 ) will be changed to positive numbers ( 128 to 255 ) by my code game. This means that a shade of -126 would make the light on almost all of the time.

So basically the answer is yes. But you can put in that number (254) directly, can't you? And then mapster will say the shade is -126, right?

[Stabs]

highest number i could enter is 128 and it converted it to 128- enter 127 and it stays as 127, same with 127-, this was from the f8 menu, no different in 3d mode, a sec cam in e1l1 was shade 200 which was converted to 56- , at work atm so havnt got much to test with

if thats a problem iam sure shade values from 100 to 126 would be fine for this effect, 100 is about the max you want for the flicker and this reverse effect woudlnt need fast flickering effects because it would be no different from the original effect

[Danukem]

Shades -1 to -127 are valid and useful values for a number of purposes and there should be a way to enter them in mapster.

[Stabs]

yeh you can enter them , its just 128 that converts automatically to 128- if i enter 127- it stays as 127- same with every other number

[bullerbullerseven]

maybe if its possible. are you guys going to mod dnf?

[Plagman]

I think shade is a signed 8-bit value, means the range is natively -128 to 127 inclusive.

[Jan Satcitananda]

For a 32-shade table, values from 32 to 127 (0x20 to 0x7F) clip to 31, and -128 to -1 (0x80 to 0xFF) clip to 0; so yeah, it's signed formally. Of course, we can code our actors to interpret negative numbers as positive for specific purposes.

[Stabs]

*blink*

damn your mathamatical witchcraft

[dnskill]

CraigFatman, on Oct 4 2010, 12:17 PM, said:

Oh, imo we shouldn't commercialize modding in any way. Maybe what we need to do is to bring 8-bit modding into fashion, seeing that few of various big-ass EDuke32 mods support old rendering modes and some good designs are being discontinued.

Nonetheless, DukePlus seems to be a Polymost-fashioned mod; some of its features cannot be remade in software mode to the full (e.g. the skycar with its tilt/pitch control).

i agree

[Jeager1999]

Mr.Gerolf, on Oct 8 2010, 09:38 AM, said:

i agree

I just got interested in modding, well I don't but like using them. I would like to know if anyone has mods for guns. I want a Deagle, Gatling Gun probably explosive shot gun shells. I'm betting someone had already done that so links would be cool

[Jamesfff]

Just a couple of questions:

First eDuke32 with DukePlus has crashed in Duke It Out In DC map 9 (Nuke Proof) for the first time ever. location is in the command center (beyond the blue key door); time is right after I activate the dipswitch pattern to open the area where the red key is, unleashing a swarm of octabrains. Second, when I examined the log file (click here:  eduke32.log (3.57K)
Number of downloads: 663), I noticed a few odd warnings. What's up with those?

[KillerBudgie]

Go here for the latest EDuke32 and see if that solves your problem.

[Micky C]

DukePlus has a gattling gun, and there's a Duke Nukem 64 in development with explosive shotgun shells. I think there might even be a texture replacement pack that's compatible with DukePlus which makes duke's normal pistol look like a deagle, which I assume is a dessert eagle (I'm no good with guns)

edit: here it is I think: http://www.mediafire...wclkdbki1z1j4sa

[blizzart]

I want to make a DM-map using Duke Plus. Is this a good idea or are you assuming too many out-of-sync - errors?

I also want to use polymer lighting and 32bit textures.

[Micky C]

Well at the moment after the networking code for eduke32 is finished, it won't be possible for the game to get out of sync, which means you don't have to worry about your first point. As for polymer lighting and 32-bit textures I'd assume it's up to the individual players' computers to be able to handle that, but I stand to be corrected.

[Helixhorned]

DeeperThought, on Oct 5 2010, 04:21 AM, said:

Shades -1 to -127 are valid and useful values for a number of purposes and there should be a way to enter them in mapster.

Um, you can, in F8-mode. It's just that you enter the positive number first, then press '-'. Has always been like this AFAIK.

[Mblackwell]

CraigFatman, on Oct 4 2010, 12:17 PM, said:

Oh, imo we shouldn't commercialize modding in any way. Maybe what we need to do is to bring 8-bit modding into fashion, seeing that few of various big-ass EDuke32 mods support old rendering modes and some good designs are being discontinued.

Nonetheless, DukePlus seems to be a Polymost-fashioned mod; some of its features cannot be remade in software mode to the full (e.g. the skycar with its tilt/pitch control).

Why wouldn't you donate money to a project that takes a lot of time out of someone's life, that you also enjoy? Not saying someone should have to give money, just that it makes putting aside time to work on projects easier and gives people that little extra incentive.

[Jamesfff]

KillerBudgie, on Oct 10 2010, 05:27 PM, said:

Go here for the latest EDuke32 and see if that solves your problem.

Still crashing at same location at same trigger - DukeDC level 9 (Nuke Proof) right after activating dipswitches to open red key area).

[Danukem]

Jamesfff, on Oct 12 2010, 12:53 PM, said:

Still crashing at same location at same trigger - DukeDC level 9 (Nuke Proof) right after activating dipswitches to open red key area).

Have you verified that it only crashes there when using DukePlus? Sorry if you answered that already in an earlier post.

[Jan Satcitananda]

Mblackwell, on Oct 12 2010, 11:51 PM, said:

Why wouldn't you donate money to a project that takes a lot of time out of someone's life, that you also enjoy? Not saying someone should have to give money, just that it makes putting aside time to work on projects easier and gives people that little extra incentive.

If we start donating to everyone who mods for Duke to keep fair, it will hard to control such an 'economy'. So, we're merely enthusiasts, for great justice.
Another solution is a centralized funding system which pays tax money to everyone who produces new information, but it will defy current copyright states...

[Danukem]

CraigFatman, on Oct 12 2010, 05:58 PM, said:

If we start donating to everyone who mods for Duke to keep fair, it will hard to control such an 'economy'. So, we're merely enthusiasts, for great justice.
Another solution is a centralized funding system which pays tax money to everyone who produces new information, but it will defy current copyright states...

It would be unfortunate (not to mention strange!) if the DukePlus thread became a communism versus capitalism debate. But you might be interested to know that my views are completely antithetical to yours. Not all games and mods are equally good, and people should be free to choose which games or mods they want to support, or to support none at all. It's worth noting that in the kind of system you seem to favor, commercial games like Duke Nukem 3D would not even exist. There is nothing just about insisting on equality of compensation in the name of fairness, by (to use your example) forcing everyone to pay taxes for the production of "new information" whether they have any desire for that information or not.

I have never asked for nor received any monetary compensation for any of the modding I have done, but your posts have seriously made me consider it.

[bullerbullerseven]

DeeperThought, on Oct 13 2010, 08:01 AM, said:

It would be unfortunate (not to mention strange!) if the DukePlus thread became a communism versus capitalism debate. But you might be interested to know that my views are completely antithetical to yours. Not all games and mods are equally good, and people should be free to choose which games or mods they want to support, or to support none at all. It's worth noting that in the kind of system you seem to favor, commercial games like Duke Nukem 3D would not even exist. There is nothing just about insisting on equality of compensation in the name of fairness, by (to use your example) forcing everyone to pay taxes for the production of "new information" whether they have any desire for that information or not.

I have never asked for nor received any monetary compensation for any of the modding I have done, but your posts have seriously made me consider it.

so you would consider taking money for a game that you didnt create? it sounds gay lol. if you wanted to earn money you shouldnt create mods. mods are to me a way to have fun out of a game. its not something you really create. rather something you edit into what you want. and why the heck would i pay for a mod?

[Danukem]

Jhect, on Oct 13 2010, 03:09 PM, said:

so you would consider taking money for a game that you didnt create? it sounds gay lol. if you wanted to earn money you shouldnt create mods. mods are to me a way to have fun out of a game. its not something you really create. rather something you edit into what you want. and why the heck would i pay for a mod?

No one is asking you to pay for a mod, and I would not consider taking money for a game that I did not create. Some people do, however, accept donations to help support the creation of original content, such as code, levels, etc.

Many mods do contain original content, in case you hadn't noticed.

I'm not asking for donations. End of story.

[BrOiler1985]

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so you would consider taking money for a game that you didnt create? it sounds gay lol. if you wanted to earn money you shouldnt create mods. mods are to me a way to have fun out of a game. its not something you really create. rather something you edit into what you want. and why the heck would i pay for a mod?

Have you evered modded a game in a way? Even if you "just" create a new enemy in eduke, you have to CREATE the art/model+animations+sounds, write the code etc! I don't know what mods you played, but a thing like WGR2 isn't just "editing" something into a game. It's some serious work and takes a lot of time of the creators of this, which provide that content to you FOR FREE. So any form of donation is okay for me.

[Reaper_Man]

I'd donate to DT.

[bullerbullerseven]

BrOiler1985, on Oct 15 2010, 07:09 AM, said:

Have you evered modded a game in a way? Even if you "just" create a new enemy in eduke, you have to CREATE the art/model+animations+sounds, write the code etc! I don't know what mods you played, but a thing like WGR2 isn't just "editing" something into a game. It's some serious work and takes a lot of time of the creators of this, which provide that content to you FOR FREE. So any form of donation is okay for me.

thats not really much of a matter. and you dont need to make an animation to make a new enemy. and you really cant compare dukeplus with WGR... in a mod you dont have to create things yourself. the coding that has been done in dukeplus is mostly just using codes that he didnt create himself. even the maps and new animations were created by someone else... sure he spends a lot of time modding with duke nukem. but is it money worth? so it doesnt really matter if he create new things.

[Danukem]

Jhect, on Oct 15 2010, 05:44 AM, said:

the coding that has been done in dukeplus is mostly just using codes that he didnt create himself.

First of all, I wish this whole donation thing had never been brought up. I only responded at all because of some statements that I just couldn't let pass. And now you are adding to it.

Do you want to know how much of the code in DukePlus was written by me? Obviously not, since you are content to make ignorant statements without checking the facts. Nevertheless, I'll give you some idea. The total size of the scripts from the original game is about 235K. The total size of the scripts from DukePlus is about 1.1MB. Of the additional code, I wrote about 90% of myself (the exceptions include the core of the map mirroring code, which was contributed by Plagman, and most of the Dukebike code, which was written by Muelsa, and a few other odds and ends). The fact is, I have written most of the script code in DukePlus, and even the stuff I didn't write I changed quite a bit.

Jhect, on Oct 15 2010, 05:44 AM, said:

even the maps and new animations were created by someone else... sure he spends a lot of time modding with duke nukem. but is it money worth? so it doesnt really matter if he create new things.

Most of the maps included with DukePlus were created by level designers from the community who spent long hours making them specifically for this mod. Without those maps, it wouldn't be half the mod that it is.

But here's the main point. Whether a modder (be it a scripter or level designer or modeler or source code writer etc.) decides to put a button on their web page for accepting donations, is their business and not yours. Duke 3D mods are free and are going to stay that way, but if someone thinks they can get a few $ from appreciative players to help support their hobby, then why the hell shouldn't they try? No one is going to make you pay a dime. It's nothing you need to be concerned about.

[Jblade]

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the coding that has been done in dukeplus is mostly just using codes that he didnt create himself.

ahahahah sorry but this is hilarious. If anything the vast majority of mods nowadays use at least 1 section of code created by DT, if not more. He's contributed more to the coding community than anybody else has barring the major people behind Eduke32.

[Danukem]

Thanks James.

Now everyone should try Imagination World 2. It's a fun TC with lots of awesome stuff, such as some of the best weapons and weapon models I have seen in a Duke mod.

[BrOiler1985]

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hats not really much of a matter. and you dont need to make an animation to make a new enemy. and you really cant compare dukeplus with WGR... in a mod you dont have to create things yourself. the coding that has been done in dukeplus is mostly just using codes that he didnt create himself. even the maps and new animations were created by someone else... sure he spends a lot of time modding with duke nukem. but is it money worth? so it doesnt really matter if he create new things.
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I'm speechless. Really speechless. I hate that people think everything comes out of nowhere. But these people will always be there, sad enough. But thats my last word on this, since this is the Duke Plus-Thread.

Keep up that awesome work DT!