[3D Master]

Commando Nukem, on May 16 2010, 03:09 AM, said:

The only thing it needs is a bit of a grey edge on the upper left of the word "FORBIDDEN" Its got a highlight there. Basically like the "DUKE NUKEM" title logo, and of course, the border. Then it'll be perfect.

Now that I look at it, the "Videos and Books" has the same thing. Although I'm not entirely sure that makes it look better; and thus, if it should be done.

[OpenMaw]

3D Master, on May 15 2010, 07:05 PM, said:

Now that I look at it, the "Videos and Books" has the same thing. Although I'm not entirely sure that makes it look better; and thus, if it should be done.

To me its really quite simple, if the original texture has it, the new one should, in some way, reflect it.

[Night Wolf]

Commando Nukem, on May 16 2010, 11:09 AM, said:

The only thing it needs is a bit of a grey edge on the upper left of the word "FORBIDDEN" Its got a highlight there. Basically like the "DUKE NUKEM" title logo, and of course, the border. Then it'll be perfect.

indeed! and it need a slight bit of grunge on the top of the red symbol
the blue font would benefit from being flat blue not gradient.

Fox, on May 16 2010, 11:48 AM, said:

Hmm, if you look at E1L2, the texture behind should be like #287

#287 should be replaced anyway.. its pretty fake looking

[Night Wolf]

Here i've updated #0287

[Night Wolf]

might give it a further edit but ...
as I still haven't tested it in game ...
might tone down the shadows a bit

[Night Wolf]

This is better shame i had to shrink it down though

[Night Wolf]

Fixed up some colours from the shrinker/ expander projectiles I submitted a while back
the colours now match the polymer green/red ... & the green now matches the impact projectile (1656-1659)

1647 -1649



2448 -2451

[3D Master]

ozz, on May 16 2010, 01:28 PM, said:

Fixed up some colours from the shrinker/ expander projectiles I submitted a while back
the colours now match the polymer green/red ... & the green now matches the impact projectile (1656-1659)

1647 -1649



2448 -2451

Hmm, I think they'd look better if they're slightly darker. They're awefully bright and cheerful.

[Night Wolf]

3D Master, on May 16 2010, 09:32 PM, said:

Hmm, I think they'd look better if they're slightly darker. They're awefully bright and cheerful.

well originality they were exactly the same colours as the original ... but people complained that they weren't hot enough.
I suppose for these it actually make sence for them to not be desaturated

[Night Wolf]

actually i didnt even notice that you edited them ... they might look better they way youve done it there...
you have to test it in game though ... since colours come out differnt in game

[Night Wolf]

unless that just my LCD playing tricks on me

[3D Master]

I didn't edit the shrinker/expander shots.

However I didn't say desaturate them, I said making them darker.

The first is the original, the second I made slightly darker, -15.

Although, on a black/dark background the original looks pretty good as well.

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[Night Wolf]

yeah thats the thing it tends to trick the eye...
its not really that saturated just depends how you view it on screen and what monitor your viewing it on

Also in the game it looks fine it doesnt appear overly saturated ...
try it in the game and you will see what i mean
I think it will be fine

[3D Master]

ozz, on May 16 2010, 03:15 PM, said:

yeah thats the thing it tends to trick the eye...
its not really that saturated just depends how you view it on screen and what monitor your viewing it on

Also in the game it looks fine it doesnt appear overly saturated ...
try it in the game and you will see what i mean
I think it will be fine

Yeah, in the game it looks good.

[Tea Monster]

High poly done.


Working on the low poly then gotta do me some bakin'!

[Roma Loom]

Makin' bakin'
Well at least we could see normal and spec on an item version of glock...

[Piterplus]

@devastator Please rename in SVN texture 454 to 0454.

[3D Master]

Roma Loom, on May 16 2010, 09:14 PM, said:

Makin' bakin'

That would be "Makin' bacon." You know, bacon, as in flesh from a pig usually put your bread?

[The Commander]

He means baking the normals.

[Daedolon]

Tea Monster, on May 16 2010, 09:45 PM, said:

High poly done.

That looks REALLY sweet!

[Night Wolf]

Very nice... all it needs now is a equally great texture to accompany the great model

[Spiker]

Excellent model! Just one question: How do you exactly make a low-poly version of this? Do you use some modifier that simplifies this?

[Daedolon]

Most 3D programs come with a tool that drops the polygon count down, then it's just some manual fixing.

[Tea Monster]

What I do is get my high-poly and remove the smoothing (techy term is Sub Division, or Sub-D). Then I remove all the extra edge loops I had to have to control how the Sub-D smoothed the model. Then you remove stuff like rivets and grip details and button textures. That should leave you with a good basic low poly.

There are scripts that do that sort of thing, but they tend to be very hit and miss and can tend to make a mess of things if you are not careful. One good one that might work to get a base mesh to start from is one called 'unsubsurf' (bundled with Blender 2.49). But I don't think it will remove rivet details and stuff like that. There is a tool called MeshLab that also might do this, but I've not used it for that.

Here is the High poly mesh and the (WIP) low poly, showing some of how it works.

[Night Wolf]

I reworked the cinema curtain tile ... there was way too much contrast on it , which looked bad with ploymer


Textures like #1101 and #1132 for example need this same treatment

[Night Wolf]

Tea Monster, on May 17 2010, 10:13 PM, said:

What I do is get my high-poly and remove the smoothing (techy term is Sub Division, or Sub-D). Then I remove all the extra edge loops I had to have to control how the Sub-D smoothed the model. Then you remove stuff like rivets and grip details and button textures. That should leave you with a good basic low poly.

There are scripts that do that sort of thing, but they tend to be very hit and miss and can tend to make a mess of things if you are not careful. One good one that might work to get a base mesh to start from is one called 'unsubsurf' (bundled with Blender 2.49). But I don't think it will remove rivet details and stuff like that. There is a tool called MeshLab that also might do this, but I've not used it for that.

Here is the High poly mesh and the (WIP) low poly, showing some of how it works.

I assume then that then the normal maps give it an illusion of being a higher poly?

[Tea Monster]

Good work on the curtains!

Yep, thats how it works.

Heres a model I made for another project. Notice the ends of the bullets, how the light hits it and makes it look like there is a dimple there. If you check out the wires, there is no 'real' dimple there. It was baked on from the high poly. When it gets loaded into the game, the renderer makes the light behave as if the dimple is there by looking at the normal map. Also, all those scratches and dents will catch the light as if they are really inset on the model. If you were to model all that stuff, you would be talking millions of polys per model.

[Night Wolf]

nice! should look awesome then

also. that ammo box looks nicer then the one we have
which make me think
are the ammo crates in the HRP eventually going to be reworked? The current ones in the HRP aren't exactly accurate and the texture skins aren't to great

[Tea Monster]

ozz, on May 17 2010, 05:40 AM, said:

nice! should look awesome then

also. that ammo box looks nicer then the one we have
which make me think
are the ammo crates in the HRP eventually going to be reworked? The current ones in the HRP aren't exactly accurate and the texture skins aren't to great

Cheers!

A lot of the stuff depends on someone just setting to and doing them. If its me and Roma and Parkar doing stuff, then they will probably get done, but no telling exactly when. Doing models this way takes a lot more work. You have to, in effect make two models, then there is the baking and stuff, which is usually a PitA. It's going to take longer to make the assets. You may find that once word spreads that you can make next-gen models for Duke, we will get a few more people making meshes.

People have got to remember that when the old stuff was done, the engine couldn't handle any of this cool stuff we have now (Polymer). Also, when the HRP started, Duke didn't have a robust model-making community like the Quake and Half Life communities did at that point.

[Night Wolf]

^ Yeah good point there Tea Monster.
Hopefully we can get more people to work on models

The HRP will probably get more attention when the polymer HRP starts to show its full colours so to speak.

Question , when you make a skin for a model is that done in the same program or similar program?
as I've always wondered how the skin matches up with the model.