[Hendricks266]

I'll tell you what's overkill... the Alien Queen skins. 20MB.

The alien queen could benefit form some sort of skin layering ability.

base: color
level 2: markings, eyes
level 3: yellow eye markings
level 4: electricity
level 5: death blood

Tea Monster already tried to do something similar by using glowmaps, but if your graphics card doesn't support them or you have them turned off, the Queen model doesn't work entirely.

[Roma Loom]

Maybe Plagman will hack palmaps support back in or something like this. TX said that palmaps technology written by hunter_rus was way too hackish or something but I hope there's another way around...

[Danukem]

Roma Loom, on Dec 21 2009, 10:34 PM, said:

Maybe Plagman will hack palmaps support back in or something like this. TX said that palmaps technology written by hunter_rus was way too hackish or something but I hope there's another way around...

When palmaps were in, no one ever did much with them, despite a few failed attempts. So obviously they were too difficult to work with and/or people weren't interested. If there were another method that just worked on the existing skins/textures that would be ideal.

[Tea Monster]

GT 1750 did the skins for the Queen. I think it was actually 'Ilovefoxes' (I think) who came up with a way of layering the skins so that the electric effect works.

Palmaps would be great if they could be implemented. At the moment, we need a separate skin (read: separate PNG file) for each pal implementation. So if you imagine that there are 5 pal settings for a particular critter skin, then that's 5x the amount of megabytes in the pack. Then times that by all the different skins and tiles and then you can see how the pack's size balloons.

[Roma Loom]

DeeperThought, on Dec 22 2009, 05:15 PM, said:

When palmaps were in, no one ever did much with them, despite a few failed attempts. So obviously they were too difficult to work with and/or people weren't interested. If there were another method that just worked on the existing skins/textures that would be ideal.

It was defcode that I failed to comprehend, but making masks for alternate pals is pretty easy, though time consuming if you have no texture sources.

[Hendricks266]

Tea Monster, on Dec 22 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

GT 1750 did the skins for the Queen. I think it was actually 'Ilovefoxes' (I think) who came up with a way of layering the skins so that the electric effect works.

Palmaps would be great if they could be implemented. At the moment, we need a separate skin (read: separate PNG file) for each pal implementation. So if you imagine that there are 5 pal settings for a particular critter skin, then that's 5x the amount of megabytes in the pack. Then times that by all the different skins and tiles and then you can see how the pack's size balloons.

Somewhere TX listed all the problems with palmaps, but I can't find it. Here's what I remember:

• used a ton of memory
  
• not implemented as well as glowmaps
  
• based around the Duke 3D palette
  
• essentially created new skin textures on the fly
  
• poor performance
  
• lack of control over result

In a world where you can buy 1 TB of storage for $100, the drain on performance outweighs the amount of hard drive space used.

[Roma Loom]

I think I have already posted this texture, but since now it's in SVN it could be just reposted

[Inspector Lagomorf]

You could probably stand to put a bit more wear and tear on tile 4304 there.

[Roma Loom]

Sounds good. Both the sentence and the suggestion

[NightFright]

Since the latest changes to the SVN make another HRP Update rather useless, I have decided to compile a new full release (v4.2.049 Preview, 399MB) and put it onto my Duke4.net webspace. The link is included in my signature below. I have also announced this on our HRP Project site (hrp.duke4.net) as some sort of "Christmas" version, along with some info for less experienced users about how to update.

I hope this is in the interest of everyone - you should expect something for the holidays, anyway. ^^

[Tea Monster]

I just thought that making a different skin for each pal is a very in-elegant and generally crap way of claiming to have "solved" the problem.

[gt1750]

There's something weird with HRP svn - textures.def I got from yesterday's checkout missed quite a lot of stuff and ~12kB in size. But when I look at textures.def rev.49 on svn, the definitions seem to be there. WTF?

[Roma Loom]

gt1750, on Dec 28 2009, 08:58 PM, said:

There's something weird with HRP svn - textures.def I got from yesterday's checkout missed quite a lot of stuff and ~12kB in size. But when I look at textures.def rev.49 on svn, the definitions seem to be there. WTF?

You're probably getting corrupted/incomplete file. I don't have such a problem here... I'd blame the server, but it seems it's pretty stable last days, doesn't give me errors like before...

[Plagman]

gt1750: did you have any local changes in textures.def when you tried to svn update? If svn doesn't manage to merge your changes with the incoming changes from the servers, it leaves it alone and marks the file as conflicted. You probably want to svn revert it if you don't care about your local changes; if not you'll have to merge it by hand and mark the conflict as resolved.

[NightFright]

I updated from rev. 37 to 49 with zero problems. Seems to me like your textures.def did not get updated somehow.

[Roma Loom]

and another one

[Spiker]

Looks amazing.......... as usual

[gt1750]

I'm working on some normalmaps and specularmaps, too:



Tile 852 (damaged concrete) was simply crazybumped while the building normals are based on heightmaps created by me. I'm still learning this stuff so I need some opinions.

[Spiker]

Not sure about the last one but the first three look perfect to me

[Fox]

I couldn't imagine how those windows would look like if reflective...

[NightFright]

No need to kill the framerate, man. ^^ I looks pretty decent already, if you ask me.

[LeoD]

Looks good but the damaged concrete might be better off with sharper edges.

[gt1750]

I forgot to post 764 with proper diffuse texture where I toned down the directional lighting and accented the edges:



And this is how 723 looks like near the cinema sign:

LeoD, on Dec 30 2009, 03:43 PM, said:

Looks good but the damaged concrete might be better off with sharper edges.

Sharper edges? Please explain, I can't think of any on that texture.

[LeoD]

In the first of the four screenshots it looks a bit like someone has been sanding the concrete after the explosion.

[The Commander]

gt1750, on Dec 31 2009, 03:51 AM, said:

I forgot to post 764 with proper diffuse texture where I toned down the directional lighting and accented the edges:

And this is how 723 looks like near the cinema sign:

Sharper edges? Please explain, I can't think of any on that texture.

http://www.moddb.com/engines/eduke32/image...derer6#imagebox

Thanks for the good picture for promotion.

[Roma Loom]

Nice windows gt1750/. Did you fill the glass part with complete white color or there's some sort of dirt applied? Since you haven't submitted any of them to SVN, you might want to make some experiments with dirty glass on the windows... Reflective windows were in Plagman's todo list, but simple cubemap reflection support would be cool enough too...

[William Gee]

gt1750, on Dec 30 2009, 05:08 AM, said:

I'm working on some normalmaps and specularmaps, too:

I think they look brilliant! WOAH!

[Roma Loom]

i have to work as fast as possible to make some textures at the office, since I have an s-ips display there. While everybody is raping each other in Team Fortress 2 during the brake at the office - I'm raping 3ds max

[Skulldog]

When I use Polymer Hrp I get alot of lag and Frame Rate goes into red, as low as 7 fps in some places on the map.
It Looks good but game play is crappy. Would a newer video card fix this?

Processor: AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ (3016 MHz)
Operating System: Windows Vista ™ Ultimate, 64-bit (Service Pack 2)
System Memory 4 Gig
DirectX version: 11.0
GPU processor: GeForce 8600 GT
Driver version: 195.62
CUDA Cores: 32
Core clock: 540 MHz
Shader clock: 1188 MHz
Memory clock: 400 MHz (800 MHz data rate)
Memory interface: 128-bit
Total available graphics memory: 2303 MB
Dedicated video memory: 512 MB
System video memory: 0 MB
Shared system memory: 1791 MB
Video BIOS version: 60.84.43.00.81
IRQ: 18
Bus: PCI Express x16

[NightFright]

I think you have picked the wrong thread for a troubleshoot request, pal. ^^