[Mark]

Using con is the only way I am aware of. Do you mean even if you rotate the model 90 degrees before exporting it still turns out wrong? That sucks. I think rotating it after it been converted to m3d doesn't work when it has animations. But what if you rotate it before converting to md3. I'm assuming you still have the 3ds version

[Gambini]

The problem is that i export from three tools during the process. Rotating in XSI doesn´t work (it already faces north). Rotating it in Max doesn´t work either (also faces north). In Mistif Model 3D it already displays facing right, but rotating it doesn´t help unless I edit all the frames to match the transform.

[Hendricks266]

Is there not an "angoff"?

[Danukem]

Hendricks266, on 11 February 2017 - 10:31 PM, said:

Is there not an "angoff"?

There is, but it would be more convenient if it were in the def language for models, rather than just being a CON command. There is angadd, but it applies only to hud models. So, if you want a model with incorrect rotation to look in mapster as it will in-game, then you are out of luck.

[Hendricks266]

Ahh, angadd is what I was thinking of.

Ideally, the problem would be fixed in the MD3 itself, instead of having EDuke32 perform an online correction.

We need a newer model format.

[Danukem]

Hendricks266, on 11 February 2017 - 10:41 PM, said:

Ahh, angadd is what I was thinking of.

There is an angoff command, but as I was saying it's a CON command. It does the job but it's not convenient for mappers. It gets worse if the model is using a clipshape, because then the model in the clipshape map has to be turned sidewise relative to the clipshape sectors in order for it to clip correctly in game.

[Mark]

Gambini, on 11 February 2017 - 09:03 PM, said:

The problem is that i export from three tools during the process. Rotating in XSI doesn´t work (it already faces north). Rotating it in Max doesn´t work either (also faces north). In Mistif Model 3D it already displays facing right, but rotating it doesn´t help unless I edit all the frames to match the transform.

I see. So it seems the XSI format is also like md3 where you can't rotate a model with animations. That seems odd if it uses a skeleton for animation. You should have total freedom of movement. Out of curiosity, what formats does XSI export to?

[Tea Monster]

A number of projects use this: http://www.assimp.org/ to integrate new model formats into their games. I believe that the new Doomsday uses this to import FBX files.

FBX would be nice to have. It's an industry standard, there are lots of tools available and just about everything can export it - even Blender!

[Mark]

Mark and Misfit to the rescue. Load your animated md3 model into Misfit. Up top on menu, click Model and then Transform. A window pops up where you can choose which way to rotate or adjust any angles of your model. Be sure that you choose the box that says to include model and animations. I tried it with an animated model and it works.

I have been using Misfit for a few years now and never really looked at that feature before. There are a few others too. I'll have to give it another look over.

[Hendricks266]

Ice already recommended assimp to us, though I didn't save the link last time. I can't see us pulling in the entire library because there is no reason to support so many formats, but I could see us taking format support piecemeal.

[Gambini]

Mark., on 12 February 2017 - 06:30 AM, said:

Mark and Misfit to the rescue. Load your animated md3 model into Misfit. Up top on menu, click Model and then Transform. A window pops up where you can choose which way to rotate or adjust any angles of your model. Be sure that you choose the box that says to include model and animations. I tried it with an animated model and it works.

I have been using Misfit for a few years now and never really looked at that feature before. There are a few others too. I'll have to give it another look over.

Thank you for this tip. I moved onto other part of the project right now since I was frustrated, but i will try it soon!

[Micky C]

There's a tag to specify that sprites are drawn after all other sprites and masked walls. Can there be a similar tag to have the sprites be drawn absolutely last, after level geometry?

[Micky C]

Micky C, on 20 February 2017 - 01:43 AM, said:

There's a tag to specify that sprites are drawn after all other sprites and masked walls. Can there be a similar tag to have the sprites be drawn absolutely last, after level geometry?

Any comment on the feasibility of this?

[Gambini]

I have a question that is very important for me:

Is there a way to have a duke3d.act palette file for each pal value? I want to save pngs as indexed colors which would correspond to each pal value (pal 10 for reds, pal 12 for grays, etc).

[Kyanos]

Gambini, on 25 February 2017 - 02:35 PM, said:

I have a question that is very important for me:

Is there a way to have a duke3d.act palette file for each pal value? I want to save pngs as indexed colors which would correspond to each pal value (pal 10 for reds, pal 12 for grays, etc).

I made a highpal lookup table for polymer & wgr2 (it's on the wiki)

I defined a palette png to a HUD tile then made a map with all the floors each palette, as I walked forward I took screenshots of the HUD palette image in each different colored sector, you can rip the pals the cropped screenshot. Try that, if no one has a better way. (H266 or another dev could probably solve this using code quickly.)

http://wiki.eduke32....ki/Highpalookup
see the tutorial at the bottom.

[Kyanos]

found this thank craigfatman

 DukePals.bmp (97.55K)
Number of downloads: 31

[Gambini]

Thanks! that's really useful. Now i wonder how to create .act files out of that.

[Kyanos]

Gambini, on 25 February 2017 - 09:24 PM, said:

Thanks! that's really useful. Now i wonder how to create .act files out of that.

This wasn't as easy as it should be.

 duke3d_pal10.zip (755bytes)
Number of downloads: 277
 duke3d_pal12.zip (731bytes)
Number of downloads: 299

I used cyotek palette editor beta, https://www.cyotek.c...-palette-editor

Imported the duke3d.act palette from photoshop (.act isn't listed as a valid import go to all files *.* then import .act it works)

Then opened cropped palette 10 image from dukepals.bmp above in windows photo viewer, both programs open side by side



I used the color picker tool (grey box bottom of picture) to select colors from pal10.png to copy over original duke3d.act palette, save as .aso (swatch)

Then in photoshop load custom palette, .aso and save palette to .act

[Gambini]

Well i guess i will be sufficed wtih the two examples you just did. I can´t spare time on learning that. But it´s a good foundation, maybe someone in the future could do it for them all and upload them in a repository. This community definetely needs an updated repository with plugins for programs, this kind of stuff, the community stockpile database, etc.

[Fox]

I made these lossless rips of the palettes. The .act format is stupid, so pal 4 is reduced to a single color.

Attached File(s)

•  duke3d_act.zip (117.61K)
  Number of downloads: 302

[Kyanos]

 duke3d_pal4.zip (183bytes)
Number of downloads: 425

I made a working pal4.act that's the whole set done.

[Fox]

That's incorrect. All colors, including the transparent one, should be black.

[Micky C]

Fox, on 27 February 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

That's incorrect. All colors, including the transparent one, should be black.

That's not how it works in-game though?

[Fox]

The transparent pixels will still be transparent, but black. That is visible when you have transparent pixels in a wall with pal 4.

[Hendricks266]

IIRC the renderer tests whether the color index is 255 _before_ palswaps, not after it, for the purposes of transparency.

[TerminX]

Hendricks266, on 27 February 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

IIRC the renderer tests whether the color index is 255 _before_ palswaps, not after it, for the purposes of transparency.

That's correct.

[Kyanos]

It's a non issue as all of these palettes transparency are not working in game. It's a known issue with eduke that the final png for def code needs 255 to be transparent.

Also these pal swapped images can't be used in a .art file for obvious reasons.

I guess in the end all that really matters is Gambinis usage of this. Do you plan to use def code tilefromtexture or just texture? Or is it some other use?

[Danukem]

Drek, on 27 February 2017 - 10:38 PM, said:

I guess in the end all that really matters is Gambinis usage of this. Do you plan to use def code tilefromtexture or just texture? Or is it some other use?

I'm pretty sure he is using it so skins for the models he is creating use colors sampled from actual Duke 3D palettes, to help insure that the models look like they belong in the same world with the Duke 3D sprites.

[Gambini]

Thanks to all for your help i´m getting those rigth away.

Quote

I'm pretty sure he is using it so skins for the models he is creating use colors sampled from actual Duke 3D palettes, to help insure that the models look like they belong in the same world with the Duke 3D sprites.

yep

[Micky C]

Gambini, on 28 February 2017 - 07:39 AM, said:

Thanks to all for your help i´m getting those rigth away.



yep

Just use polymer and it'll happen automatically. While you're there, add in some polymer lights