[Gambini]

Eduke32 Team:

I have two humble requests that could come VEEEEEEEEERY handy for the DNF update mod:

enabling usetileshades precaching, just like with the HRP

adding the same usetileshades system for model skins (something like a new r_usetileshadesmodels) this would work on models of which skins are saved as indexed 8bits (just like tilefromtexrure tiles).

The first would of been almost mandatory if we´re gonna use it on the mod, as right now it runs very choppy despite the framerate count being up all the time.

The second would line up with the look of the mod perfectly as everything should have the same oldschool look.

If i´d say i´m not desperate for them, i´d be lying!

[Hendricks266]

1. Are you sure the slowdown you are experiencing is due to tileshades? In any case, I need to completely rebuild the texture manager and cache systems. Unfortunately with the demise of HTTKC, I had to move this way back on my to-do list. Please let me know what your mod release timeline is.

2. Fortunately I understand what you actually want because what you described (a new cvar) does not make sense.

Hendricks266, on 01 October 2016 - 03:25 PM, said:

Look out for a v2 of this pack once I implement a def token so that hightile (including skyboxes and model skins) can be run through the palette like an ART tile, for instant perfect shading and palswaps.

See above for why this is not done yet.

[Gambini]

Nevermind, the slowdowns seem to happen in polymost (either with usetileshades enabled or disabled) but it was gone when switched off vsync. Which is a relief!

About your quotation: is that from another topic? i couldn´t find the post and i don´t understand what it means.

[Hendricks266]

You can click on the curved arrow on the top left of the quote box to take you to the origin of the quote.

[Mark]

Has that curved arrow always been there? I never noticed it until you mentioned it.

[Mblackwell]

Mark., on 31 January 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Has that curved arrow always been there? I never noticed it until you mentioned it.

Yep

[MusicallyInspired]

I can corroborate the prior existence of of the curved arrow. I've used it a fair amount of time. But it only exists if the proper flag is set in the BBcode or if you directly reply or multi-quote a post or posts.

[Jblade]

How do you get setthisprojectile to actually work? I try setting a custom projectile's extra via eshoot and RETURN and it never gets set, it just keeps its original defined damage value.

[Mblackwell]

It seems that depending on the exact point in code execution, you might need to setactor[RETURN].extra. If you are eshoot-ing from an actor it's often too late to do setthisprojectile on certain parameters.

[Gambini]

Is it me or eduke32 doesn´t load skins and models from a grp file?

If so. Is there a good reason?

If there isn´t a good reason. Could it be made so it reads all kind of compatible files from a GRP?

[Hendricks266]

Why do you need to use a GRP file?

[Micky C]

I imagine Gambini wants to keep the main directory clean and concise.

[Hendricks266]

Zip files.

[Danukem]

Hendricks266, on 06 February 2017 - 03:05 AM, said:

Zip files.

It's a nostalgia thing. He wants the file types visible in the directory be ones that would have been distributed with a Duke mod in 1998.

Out of curiosity: what does prevent files with certain extensions from being loaded from a GRP?

[Hendricks266]

Trooper Dan, on 06 February 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

It's a nostalgia thing. He wants the file types visible in the directory be ones that would have been distributed with a Duke mod in 1998.

I have no sympathy for that rationale. It's like Beta Bryan demanding that the Bombshell prequel come in a big box and run on DOS. You're already using Polymost, 3D models, and a source port. Deal with it.

I probably shouldn't tell you this, but you can rename a .zip file to .grp and the game will not know any difference from it being named .zip.

Trooper Dan, on 06 February 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

Out of curiosity: what does prevent files with certain extensions from being loaded from a GRP?

Good question, since zip files go through mostly the same handling as GRPs. I recall working with the code that caused this at some point but I don't remember the details. It's just another artifact of the complexity of code written by amateurs 20 years ago and with 20 years of functionality bolted on also by amateurs without proper redesign and cleanup over time.

At some point when I revisit that code once and for all I will fix it, because there is no reason that it has to be this way.

[Gambini]

Dan is right but i can live with renaming the extension for now!

Now i have two new questions:

How i can reduce the mouse speed in 2d mode? it´s crazy fast (ok, i have a fast mouse of which i had to reduce the speed in windows) but in 2d mode it´s still factory speed. Mapster32.cfg has only the option to reduce 3d mode sensibility.

And the other and more important: how i can create an autoexec.cfg or something similar for mapster? everytime i launch it i have to type manually things like r_usetileshades and other specific visual values. Adding those commands to mapster32.cfg doesnt work, they get deleted every time the tool is launched.

[Hendricks266]

1. Is the mouse cursor movement correct for EDuke32's in-game menus? If so, I will replace Mapster's mouse handling with it.

2. m32_autoexec.cfg

[Gambini]

nothing happens when i move the mouse on eduke32´s menus

Thanks for the tip about the cfg, that will save me years of typing!

[Hendricks266]

Are you using the latest EDuke32?

[Gambini]

No. I have the latest eduke32 installed, but mostly i use the build on which TX introduced usetileshades. As for Mapster32, i use the one from the same snapshot from 5/16/2013 as i know it´s a safe version that doesn´t mess my maps. The latest version runs like crap for me, takes ages to start and to switch from 2d/3d and controls are changed (for example, i can´t drag vertexes or sprites with the left button anymore). Mind you, i have a core i5 6770 16gb and GTX 1060 6gb ddr5, so it´s not a hardware thing.

[Gambini]

How do i know the name of a set of frames of a md3 file?

I have mistif model 3d, and npherno´s md3 compiler.

nevermind!! it´s a good luck charm to ask questions on a forum, as soon as i make a post i find the solution by my own!

[Mark]

Even though you figured out the answer yourself you should still post the solution in case other people run into the same issue.

[Gambini]

You´re right. The thing is that i didn´t find a cohesive solution. I just realized that all models i exported from 3d Studio Max 2014 are named AnimFrames00, while as the ones i exported from Mistif Model 3d None00. I assumed then that animated models would have their frames named after those, and it worked. But I´m still unable to see each frame´s name.

[Danukem]

Gambini, on 11 February 2017 - 07:51 AM, said:

You´re right. The thing is that i didn´t find a cohesive solution. I just realized that all models i exported from 3d Studio Max 2014 are named AnimFrames00, while as the ones i exported from Mistif Model 3d None00. I assumed then that animated models would have their frames named after those, and it worked. But I´m still unable to see each frame´s name.

Run NPherno's MD3 Compiler (MD3Compile.exe), then load objects. Once loaded, check the scroll bar at the bottom of the display window. It will show the name of the currently displayed frame.

[Gambini]

Unfortunately, that doesn´t happen in my end. And now that i made a clean-up i´m having problems to know the names again. When I click on the frames, the box where the frame name should be displayed reads nothing at all.

[Tea Monster]

It may be blank, as in "". I've seen that once.

[Mark]

If its blank with quotes can you put in your own name now?

[Hendricks266]

You can always edit the names, such as in NMD3C. Unmodified, you would need to specify a frame name of "" your defs, though I don't know if we currently accept that as sane input.

[Gambini]

I can now explain my solution: I exported from 3d Studio max 2014, but then i open and save the model (without doing anything else) with Mistif Model 3d. This turns all frames of an animated model into AnimFramexx (where xx are numbers), in case the model has a single animation, it´s turned to None00. Def files are case sensitive, mind you.

[Gambini]

Is there a def command such as zadd but for adjusting angles?

My model gets exported facing 90 degrees to the right no matter what i do, it´s most likely a problem in the 3dstudio md3 exporter plugin, but there is no way to fix it.