[Tea Monster]

Sobek, on Jun 14 2009, 06:17 PM, said:

What's the go with Intel chipsets, if I may ask?

Intel chipsets were made for office PC's Like those little HP desktop models that are in nearly every office in creation. They are made to run Office Apps and Internet Explorer. They are designed to be manufactured cheaply and do typical office tasks. They are NOT designed to play Quake 4 at a decent frame rate as most offices do NOT need to do that!

A lot of OEM's grabbed these motherboards to make cheap home PC's.

Only after this happened, did Intel belatedly try to shoe-horn in some Direct X functionality to their drivers and chip sets. Sadly, thier attitude to OpenGL is "Huh? What's that?"

[Sobek]

Tea Monster, on Jun 15 2009, 01:49 PM, said:

Intel chipsets were made for office PC's Like those little HP desktop models that are in nearly every office in creation. They are made to run Office Apps and Internet Explorer. They are designed to be manufactured cheaply and do typical office tasks. They are NOT designed to play Quake 4 at a decent frame rate as most offices do NOT need to do that!

A lot of OEM's grabbed these motherboards to make cheap home PC's.

Only after this happened, did Intel belatedly try to shoe-horn in some Direct X functionality to their drivers and chip sets. Sadly, thier attitude to OpenGL is "Huh? What's that?"

Oh you mean Intel's integrated video chipsets? Could have just said that... By 'intel chipsets' I automatically assumed you meant the physical chipset like P35 or X38.

Naturally, just about any integrated video solution is a no go, for this game or any other. I'd consider that a given

[SwissCm]

Sobek, on Jun 15 2009, 01:45 PM, said:

Oh you mean Intel's integrated video chipsets? Could have just said that... By 'intel chipsets' I automatically assumed you meant the physical chipset like P35 or X38.

Naturally, just about any integrated video solution is a no go, for this game or any other. I'd consider that a given

There are some higher-end intel video chipsets (GMA X3000 onwards) that may be able to theoretically run Polymer, though the drivers are likely to not be mature enough to really pull it off with any reasonable success.

[TerminX]

SwissCm, on Jun 14 2009, 09:03 PM, said:

There are some higher-end intel video chipsets

SwissCm, on Jun 14 2009, 09:03 PM, said:

higher-end

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intel video chipsets

[SwissCm]

TX, on Jun 15 2009, 02:23 PM, said:

Ha

[Benichon]

Two new screenshots from rev1433:

Episode 1 Level 1:


Episode 1 Level 2:


PS: I've reported two bugs for Polymer (rev1433) in sourceforge.

Edit : it is just an idea of what it could be after the HRP is finalize (normals textures are created by myself not by official workers). I think some official people who helped since many years will do really better normal than me (bad normal and bad defs from me). And like what developpers said, the developpement can take many times before finish. when we are in some place with many light and effect it goes slow and there are still bugs and many things to add so don't think it's going to be finished (i hope i didn't say anything wrong). .

Continue it Plagman and TX ^^.

[HJ-kos]

i'ts all great... but i think ONE thing is must be fixed. I mean HUD weapons. Would there be any way to make reflections\lightnings on weapons? Like for now pistol always have light on top left edge, even if it's dark or light source is on right or below duke or even switch glowing red close to duke...

[Piano Man]

Now that we got the new render being finalised... I think we should now have a no-holds rule on texture limits and polygon counts...

I mean some of the models looked great 2-3 years ago... Now they're getting old and look kind of ancient....

ANd with the new render looking the way it is... I say to anyone creating textures or models - DON'T HOLD BACK... Give us 10,000 polycount if you want... We have computers these days that can render 1,000,000 triangles and points on screen... Why should we hold back with the HRP project. Would go nicely with the new render.

I also proposed an idea before 3DRealms shut down (due to incompetence on their part for not releasing a game in 12 years) that if we were to re-make the Duke Nukem Atomic levels using the new render and add better backgrounds and better level design... NOW BEFORE anyone says it's illegal... we wouldn't be using the original maps or editing them as THAT IS illegal... We would be using them as a basis and creating the new maps from scratch to better incorporate a more realistic design and push the game to it's limits. Would be nice to know a rough release date on the new render as I'm dying to try it out.

[Jimmy]

Lights are too purple, and the maps on that metal texture look fucking atrocious.

[Jaxx]

Is there any release date?

[TerminX]

Congratulations, you're the millionth person to ask the same question! Your prize is a punch in the butthole.

[supergoofy]

TX: EDuke32 developer & Tyrant Administrator



I obey master

[Jaxx]

Well it's cool but it doesn't answer my question.

[TerminX]

I already answered your question--the answer is that you get punched in the butthole for asking the same question everyone else who can't be bothered to pay attention or read threads has asked. You will know when Polymer is ready; it will be obvious.

[Tea Monster]

Piano Man, on Jun 16 2009, 07:55 AM, said:

Now that we got the new render being finalised... I think we should now have a no-holds rule on texture limits and polygon counts...

No, thats silly and unprofessional.

Piano Man, on Jun 16 2009, 07:55 AM, said:

I mean some of the models looked great 2-3 years ago... Now they're getting old and look kind of ancient...

Yep, thats very true.

Piano Man, on Jun 16 2009, 07:55 AM, said:

ANd with the new render looking the way it is... I say to anyone creating textures or models - DON'T HOLD BACK... Give us 10,000 polycount if you want... We have computers these days that can render 1,000,000 triangles and points on screen... Why should we hold back with the HRP project. Would go nicely with the new render.

Granted, we DO need to up the poly count. Unless some serious optimization takes place, that won't work with Polymer. People are already having problems playing with just sprites, if you fill the screen with 10,000 poly items, the game will grind to a halt.

Besides, you don't NEED 10,000 poly models to have stuff look good. With normal maps and decent lighting and modern textures, you can have a character that sits at 6-7K and have it look like its 1 million polys. Thats why I've been bitching for this tech for the past few years.

I agree in 'Don't hold back' but keep it real. We do need to agree on poly limits and texture conventions. We can't do much though until the people who create the models get hold of a copy of Polymer that supports the next-gen tech for the models themselves.

Also, we can't make detailed plans on poly limits until we find out how far you can push Polymer. No point in making a 10K poly model and find out you need a cray to run it. We need a stable, working version of Polymer out and then we can talk about what to do with the HRP.

Piano Man, on Jun 16 2009, 07:55 AM, said:

I also proposed an idea before 3DRealms shut down (due to incompetence on their part for not releasing a game in 12 years) that if we were to re-make the Duke Nukem Atomic levels using the new render and add better backgrounds and better level design... NOW BEFORE anyone says it's illegal...

So we should devote a lot of time to a project that we know is going to be eventually declared illegal? As far as we know, at least 3DR Thought that they would be eventually publishing DNF and everyone is jumping all over them.

Piano Man, on Jun 16 2009, 07:55 AM, said:

we wouldn't be using the original maps or editing them as THAT IS illegal...

If what Tx said is true (and it most likely is if he said it ) then it isn't illegal to alter maps.

Piano Man, on Jun 16 2009, 07:55 AM, said:

We would be using them as a basis and creating the new maps from scratch to better incorporate a more realistic design and push the game to it's limits.

All for that!

[Jimmy]

Remaking the old levels by hand is in no way illegal.

[TerminX]

Tea Monster, on Jun 16 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

Granted, we DO need to up the poly count. Unless some serious optimization takes place, that won't work with Polymer. People are already having problems playing with just sprites, if you fill the screen with 10,000 poly items, the game will grind to a halt.

Polymer is slow for a lot of people because of how CPU bound a lot of it is. As far as I know, drawing models is pretty much free in terms of performance.. in fact, running the existing Polymost HRP versus the classic game content yields almost the exact same framerate for me.

[zchri9]

TX, on Jun 16 2009, 12:48 PM, said:

Polymer is slow for a lot of people because of how CPU bound a lot of it is. As far as I know, drawing models is pretty much free in terms of performance.. in fact, running the existing Polymost HRP versus the classic game content yields almost the exact same framerate for me.

I get about 85 - 200fps using polymer.

That is on my new PC of course.

Specs - Intel Q6600 @ 2.4GHZ, 4GB DDR2 @ 800mhz, GTX260+

[Piano Man]

OK... then who's right? Tea Monster or Captain Awesome???

I mean it sounds dumb to me that editing 3DRealms maps isn't illegal where as re-designing them and re-vamping them from scratch is...

[Danukem]

1) This is the wrong thread for this discussion.
2) There is good reason to think that BOTH are legal (I would explain the reasoning, but see point 1)
3) Even if it wasn't technically legal, realistically no one is going to get in trouble for it.
4) Anyone who is serious about getting remade maps for the original episodes should either be an elite mapper himself, or should be in contact with the elite mappers of the community, trying to convince them to do it. Otherwise, you are just wasting time and bandwidth by posting uselessly about it and prompting others (such as myself) to do the same.

[Hendricks266]

Captain Awesome, on Jun 14 2009, 09:23 PM, said:

TX, if you recode the menu, do you think you could recode so that they can be manipulated through the cons? That would be an awesome feature, and mods like DukePlus could really benefit from it!

EDuke 2.1.1 had that feature, and it was crappy.

[Jimmy]

Well cheers to a non-crap version, of course.

[WedgeBob]

Yeah, it would probably be even better if Mapster could toggle between 2D and 3D mode without bumping you back to Windows. Maybe it's the HRP problem causing that?
Does this mean I have to map in normal EDuke32 or something?

[Sobek]

WedgeBob, on Jun 19 2009, 10:07 AM, said:

Yeah, it would probably be even better if Mapster could toggle between 2D and 3D mode without bumping you back to Windows. Maybe it's the HRP problem causing that?
Does this mean I have to map in normal EDuke32 or something?

Are you referring to the screen flash and brief pause when switching between 2D and 3D modes? (where you often see a flash of whatever is running in Windows in the background). If so, the best option is just to stick to Windowed mode, and keep the resolution as high as possible for your screen. So a normal screen resolution of 1280x1024 should allow you to run Mapster32 at 1152x864 I believe (that's what I do at home). That way, there's no fullscreen modeswitch, and you can change between 2D and 3D instantaneously.

If not, and you mean mapster is actually crashing, then I think you need to look elsewhere for the fault.

[Jimmy]

WedgeBob, on Jun 18 2009, 07:37 PM, said:

Yeah, it would probably be even better if Mapster could toggle between 2D and 3D mode without bumping you back to Windows. Maybe it's the HRP problem causing that?
Does this mean I have to map in normal EDuke32 or something?

I don't even know what the fuck this means.

[The Commander]

WedgeBob, on Jun 19 2009, 11:37 AM, said:

Yeah, it would probably be even better if Mapster could toggle between 2D and 3D mode without bumping you back to Windows. Maybe it's the HRP problem causing that?
Does this mean I have to map in normal EDuke32 or something?

What the hell are you talking about?

[Roma Loom]

Actually mapping in EDuke32 is quite unhealthy due to the heavy impact of hallucinogeneous stuff, shrooms and alcohol upon your nervous system but hell.. we are hardcore duke fans after all.

[Master Fibbles]

WedgeBob, on Jun 18 2009, 07:37 PM, said:

Yeah, it would probably be even better if Mapster could toggle between 2D and 3D mode without bumping you back to Windows. Maybe it's the HRP problem causing that?

What exactly do you mean? I have had a problem before where I had resolutions and/or windowed mode not the same for 3d and 2d mode that caused Mapster to behave what appears to be strangely (but it is acting as you asked it).

[WedgeBob]

Perhaps I may have to invest in a webcam and provide some proof over the weekend... Mapster just crashes whenever I toggle between 2D and 3D modes with maximum settings (1920x1200x32 full screen on both modes, HRP enabled).

[Danukem]

WedgeBob, on Jun 19 2009, 06:22 PM, said:

Perhaps I may have to invest in a webcam and provide some proof over the weekend...

LOL

Post your mapster32.log after it crashes.

In the mean time, try running at a lower resolution.