[The Commander]

Plagman, on May 18 2009, 03:38 AM, said:

That's why I created this wiki page:
http://wiki.eduke32....r_compatibility

If you're having problems with polymer, please input your information there so I can try and figure out what the big picture is.

Thanks.

Ive put my info there as I don't have any mirror problems but im an ATI user as you know so I thought it would be good to have comparisons with the others that do.

[Plagman]

The performance problems with Parkar's lighthacks for E1L1 don't have anything to do with OpenGL or the GPU, so I guess everything is fine with your setup. People with non-legacy ATI cards, try installing catalyst 9.4.

[Jblade]

I posted about this a while back on 3DR and got no response - in newer snapshots custom projectiles act strangely when they spawn stuff. I use projecticles for shell casings and stuff and sometimes instead of spawning what they're supposed when they die to they either disapear or spawn another completely unrelated object. Explosions and stuff from custom projectiles also seem to appear nowhere near where the projectile exploded (Rusty brought this bug to my attention as well)

[Jimmy]

I've noticed some of these problems, myself. I am also kind of peeved that there is no option to stop custom projectiles from breaking mirrors.

[Chip]

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This is pretty weird; out of all the ATI feedback I had, half have broken mirrors, the other half have broken shadows and MusicallyInspired has this weird things where sprites will slow the game down to a crawl. It's hard to try and match that with card/driver features.

With that said, I'm actually tempted to ask for a copy of this to try my ATI card out to see what "things" happen with that.
Have their been any reports where 2 people with the same card are getting different problems to each other?

[Danukem]

James, on May 17 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

I posted about this a while back on 3DR and got no response - in newer snapshots custom projectiles act strangely when they spawn stuff. I use projecticles for shell casings and stuff and sometimes instead of spawning what they're supposed when they die to they either disapear or spawn another completely unrelated object. Explosions and stuff from custom projectiles also seem to appear nowhere near where the projectile exploded (Rusty brought this bug to my attention as well)

I'm thinking back on the projectiles that this has happened with, and IIRC they were all bouncing ones. Hmmm....TX recently changed the way that bouncing projectiles die, so maybe that caused it.

EDIT: Damn I just realized we are posting about this in the wrong thread.

[MusicallyInspired]

I'll fill out the wiki as well in a minute, but here's another issue I have. I was placing lights in my map and I noticed something odd about lights after adding a lot after a while. Some lights seem to cancel others out altogether if you can see them. Here's a couple shots of the same hallway. One with the door at the end closed and one with it opened. When it's opened and you can see the other room with lights in it, the lights in the hallway (including the switch on the wall next to the door there) seem to just disappear. You can also see that some sectors are unaffected or not as affected as the bigger sectors.



Some more screens of how the lights affect different sectors in different ways (these are all point lights. No spotlights).



Here's an instance where the light from an Atomic Health isn't showing up at all (probably the same problem with the other canceled lights issues in the hallway screens above). I did notice too, however, that when I could see the lights from an Atomic Health in certain areas the blue light would flicker constantly. This doesn't always happen, though.

[Plagman]

The golden rule when placing lights is that a single plane (i.e. a wall, ceiling or floor) can only be affected by a finite number of lights. I assume all of this goes away if you set r_pr_maxlightpasses to some arbitrarily high number. The default is that only 5 lights can affect a single plane. There's still lots of tuning/testing to know what that number will be in the end (it will probably be tied to a performance setting) so don't build your map against this specific figure. However, try to split your walls/sectors so that lights don't generally light up stuff that's really bigger than their area of effect.

[MusicallyInspired]

Ah, ok. Good to know! I added my entry to the wiki, btw. I'll try to get a screenshot later on of what the sprites look like when they come into view. Actually something strange that I noticed was that when I put the FPS counter on the screen it went to about 30 FPS but when the game started seizing up because of sprites it actually increased to 50/60 FPS! So whatever's going on it doesn't look like the game realizes it's happening. Also the closer I get to sprites the slower it becomes, and vice versa the farther away I get the smoother it becomes.

[KillerBudgie]

These screenshots are starting to torment me! Would someone PLEASE release a copy of this as it is!

[TerminX]

MusicallyInspired: what, did you think there's a light priority system just for the sake of having one? It has everything to do with how many lights of which priority are lighting a surface at once. Your really big, important lights need to be the highest priority, and the two lower priorities need to be used on less meaningful lights to make sure they don't take the place of something that's actually important when deciding which lights to use for a surface.

[naddie]

Where can I download this new build?

I downloaded the newest duke hrp ver 4. No dynamic lighting.

Sorry for newb question. This thread is too long for me to read from the begining. Thanks!

[Frost Nukem]

I am not sure of this issue, but... is there any key in mapster which allow you to rotate wall texture (not floor or ceiling texture) ?

[Spiker]

You can google for it. I found the source a few days ago. But I have no F****** idea how to compile these files.

[Alexraptor]

Its a WIP, its not out yet for the general public.

[Jokke_r]

Besides without normal/displacement maps or any light hacks all you will get from it are a few light effects with fire/gunfire/pickups/switches etc.
Just having polymer won't give you everything you see in the screenshots.

[MusicallyInspired]

I had no idea what the priority settings were for....feel kinda stupid for not getting it. That makes perfect sense now.

[Hellbound]

Had the same.

[engineer]

How woudl one affix a light to a pre-existing sprite, such as a ceiling light?

Or better yet, a "flashlight" that only works when the Pistol is active?

[engineer]

BY THE NAME OF ST. JIMM THE PATRON SAINT OF COW-ORKING, I'VE DONE IT!!

[Hellbound]

Is it yours wall texture? Looks pretty good!

[engineer]

It's a texture from the current public version of the HRP, with a normal/specular map applied.

[Hellbound]

Yeah, but I was asking you did YOU made those normals/specs

[engineer]

Yes, I used Insane Bump to generate them and hand-altered them when needed.

Besides- the parallaxing isn't working in that shot. I'll put something new up when I get it working well enough to make some eye candy.

[MusicallyInspired]

Is that supposed to be stone? Looks a little too shiny...unless I'm missing something. Good job on the bump, though.

[Plagman]

MusicallyInspired: when the game "seizes up" because sprites are in view, the "compiling GPU program..." messages keep popping? They're supposed to stop after every different one has been compiled. Can you attach eduke32.log after having looked at sprites and reproduced the seizing for a good 30 seconds? Thanks.

[Jezza]

MusicallyInspired, on May 18 2009, 05:32 AM, said:

Is that supposed to be stone? Looks a little too shiny...unless I'm missing something. Good job on the bump, though.

That looks like it is underground... often underground stone becomes damp and looks just like that... I'm making excuses, but I like it.

[MusicallyInspired]

Ah, actually those don't keep coming up. My apologies. I incorrectly assumed they were constantly popping up but it's just a group of them after/while the map loads. Actually nothing appears in the console when the seizing occurs. Also, I said earlier that when the slowdowns occur the FPS increases or is unaffected. This is incorrect. I was actually looking at the MS count which goes up into the thousands the closer I get to a sprite. The FPS is displayed in brackets and goes from 10 FPS all the way down to actually 0 FPS.

Here's a screenshot and a closeup I managed to get of one of the bulletholes...took forever because of 0 FPS! You can see the black box around it and the checkered/garbled nature of the sprite (and also my horrendous FPS count on the top right).



EDIT: Also here's a couple screenshots showing how you can see a bullethole or other sprite through a wall if close enough.

[Plagman]

Well, that looks awful. Maybe try installing older versions of your graphics driver and/or fiddling with your control panel settings.

Roma Loom: I tested your set of door textures in-game. It looks like this:


Note that I had to resave the glow map from gimp because kplib didn't like something about its header. Are you using a crazy russian image editor or something?
The specular map looks fine, I looked closely and the edge of the letters doesn't shine like you said it did.
The textures look great, by the way. If all of the HRP art is replaced by top-notch stuff like that, it'll be pretty cool!

[engineer]

MusicallyInspired, on May 18 2009, 08:32 AM, said:

Is that supposed to be stone? Looks a little too shiny...unless I'm missing something. Good job on the bump, though.

That would be the overpowered Specular map.