[The Commander]

Hellbound, on May 15 2009, 09:23 PM, said:

Yesterday I managed to light up a part of E2L1 and it goes pretty well. Anyway, I can't get normal and specular maps for walls to be satisfying me, Parkar what do you use to create these? I'm using CrazyBump, it's a good soft, but maybe my settings of burning normals are bad or something...
Another question - do we set a maximum amount of spot lights for official levels? Ye know, because they are sucking framerate out of our ass.

http://davenunez.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/...p-maps-for-fsx/

I used that tut to make some normals, and about the lights. Polymer has not been optimized as of yet so it would be hard to say how many spot lights can be used. Using the SVN maphack for E1L1 it really kicks my PC's frame rate (8 - 15)

[High Treason]

I just had a thought, you know tile 0258... the blue line is always lit.
I wonder if it's possible to make that some kind of light source with polymer.

Just hought i'd point it out because you'll run into that sooner or later.

Maybe you could add something where a glow map acts as a light source of some kind?

[Parkar]

Hellbound, on May 15 2009, 11:23 AM, said:

Yesterday I managed to light up a part of E2L1 and it goes pretty well. Anyway, I can't get normal and specular maps for walls to be satisfying me, Parkar what do you use to create these? I'm using CrazyBump, it's a good soft, but maybe my settings of burning normals are bad or something...
Another question - do we set a maximum amount of spot lights for official levels? Ye know, because they are sucking framerate out of our ass.

Anything other then rocks and plain noisy stuff is done by modelling the texture and projecting the normals to a flat plane. Crazy bump is awesome for rocks and other more organic textures though.

High Treason, on May 15 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

I just had a thought, you know tile 0258... the blue line is always lit.
I wonder if it's possible to make that some kind of light source with polymer.

Just hought i'd point it out because you'll run into that sooner or later.

Maybe you could add something where a glow map acts as a light source of some kind?

That's not a realistic request I am afraid. Only thing you could do is place a bigger faint point light in the middle of a room with those walls.

[motionblur]

Oooohh. So shiny. http://forums.duke4....tyle_emoticons/default/tongue.gif
That's really cool. Can't wait 'till it's finished.

[Jokke_r]

Is there a possibility for widescreen resolution support in the future, i noticed there is the widescreen option but all it does is change the aspect ratio of the image being rendered while the screen resolution is still 4:3. As in displaying a stretched 16:9 image in a 4:3 or 5:4 resolution :/

[Plagman]

In polymer, the widescreen option shouldn't do anything and the aspect ratio should be correct regardless of the resolution you chose. Is that what you tried?

[Danukem]

Parkar, on May 15 2009, 05:25 AM, said:

That's not a realistic request I am afraid.

But perhaps Plagman could add a bloom effect to glow maps (maybe there could be a slider control for the bloom in the renderer setup).

[Plagman]

This is already planned; glow maps and specular highlights will cause a blooming effect whenever I get around to implement the post-processing framework I planned.

[MusicallyInspired]

So I made a little normal map here for a texture. How do I implement it in the game? Also, does the game take any other things like that? Bump? Specular? As well as normal?

[Plagman]

http://hrp.duke4.net/wiki/doku.php?id=tuto...olymer_textures

To bind the normal map ingame, define it like a glow map, only with the "normal" keyword. You can tune the parallax mapping with the parallaxscale and parallaxbias tokens. See the r_pr_overrideparallax cvar doc to tweak these two values ingame.

[MusicallyInspired]

That link is a blank page...do I have to register an account or something?

[Parkar]

MusicallyInspired, on May 15 2009, 05:32 PM, said:

That link is a blank page...do I have to register an account or something?

The whole wiki seems to be broken.

[Plagman]

This might have to do with duke4.net hosting running out of disk space earlier (that's what was causing the forum and homepage errors before). It's possible you have to regenerate a cache or something. Anyway, looking at the page revision history and selection an earlier revision should work fine.

[The Commander]

MusicallyInspired, on May 16 2009, 03:32 AM, said:

That link is a blank page...do I have to register an account or something?

Maybe, but I think it maybe a wiki he wants people to fill out. Any how, this should help you.

texture TEXTURENUMBER {
pal 0 { file "highres/textures/TEXTURE.PNG" specpower 0 specfactor 0 }
normal { file "highres/textures/TEXTURE_N.PNG" parallaxbias 0.0 parallaxscale 0.0 }
specular { file "highres/textures/TEXTURE_S.PNG" }
detail { file "highres/detail/whateverdetailisneeded.png" xscale 0.0 yscale 0.0 }
}

You can ignore the specular depending on the texture.

EDIT: Plagman posted before I did.

You will have to use the override cvar as Plagman said to fine tune it in game, once you are happy take note of the numbers and edit them in the def file accordingly.

[MusicallyInspired]

Ok that worked. But it doesn't tell me how to implement it in them in the game. I already made it and now I want to see it. The site does help me for what other maps are supported, though.

EDIT: Ah, thank you, Commander! You must have posted just before I did.

[Tea Monster]

I've put some links to normal and parallax mapping tuts from 'www.katsbits.com' onto the tuts and resources page.

[Plagman]

Plagman, on May 15 2009, 05:31 PM, said:

To bind the normal map ingame, define it like a glow map, only with the "normal" keyword. You can tune the parallax mapping with the parallaxscale and parallaxbias tokens. See the r_pr_overrideparallax cvar doc to tweak these two values ingame.

MusicallyInspired, on May 15 2009, 05:46 PM, said:

Ok that worked. But it doesn't tell me how to implement it in them in the game

..

[MusicallyInspired]

Yeah, see that now. Thing is I didn't know how to define a glow map either. I really had no clue where to start.

[The Commander]

MusicallyInspired, on May 16 2009, 04:46 AM, said:

Yeah, see that now. Thing is I didn't know how to define a glow map either. I really had no clue where to start.

If you have no clue, either look at the eduke32 wiki or open one of the def files of the HRP, you will see and get an idea of how it is done.

[Fantinaikos]

Sorry, but technical discussions apart, why don't release a B-E-T-A? i know whit a lot of bugs, but why we can not testing like you?

Anyway, this polymer render is integrated in the eduke32.exe or is powered whit external files(like the old bloom effect "cg.dll,cgGL.dll)?

[Danukem]

Fantinaikos, on May 15 2009, 11:55 AM, said:

Sorry, but technical discussions apart, why don't release a B-E-T-A? i know whit a lot of bugs, but why we can not testing like you?

Have you tried contacting TX or Plagman and asking nicely?

Fantinaikos, on May 15 2009, 11:55 AM, said:

Anyway, this polymer render is integrated in the eduke32.exe

Yes.

[Tea Monster]

I know you guys wouldn't REALLY do this, but I think I know what they are afraid of. If they release a beta, even with huge disclaimers all over it that it might not work as it still needs work, people will still flame the forum with OMGBBQ HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO US OMG IT DOSEN'T WORK HELLLLLLLLPPPPPPP!!!!!

But of course, we all know you wouldn't do that, don't we?

[Reaper_Man]

Read some of the responses in the various "3DR is closing" and "Take Two sues 3DR" threads, and you'll have your answer.

[Jokke_r]

Nice, got some normal/parallax maps working, they're not that great but i just wanted to test the feature out, made them with crazybump but not simply using the original textures as base since crazybump wasn't too smart figuring out some of the shapes.

http://img20.imagesh.../normalduke.jpg

[Tea Monster]

Yeah, Crazy Bump is an awesome soft. Shame its charged for now.
You'll just have to experiement with what works great out of CB and what needs to be done manually.

That shot does look sweet.

[Yatta]

Jokke_r, on May 15 2009, 05:55 PM, said:

http://img20.imagesh.../normalduke.jpg

/drools

[Parkar]

Jokke_r, on May 16 2009, 02:55 AM, said:

Nice, got some normal/parallax maps working, they're not that great but i just wanted to test the feature out, made them with crazybump but not simply using the original textures as base since crazybump wasn't too smart figuring out some of the shapes.

http://img20.imagesh.../normalduke.jpg

Try it out on stuff like rock textures etc to see some really cool results .

[Thndr]

Is it me or do the tiles seem a bit too exaggerated in how deep the crevices where the grout is?

[Reaper_Man]

Yeah, everyone goes overboard with normal mapping. Subtlety is the key!

[Ramen4ever]

Very nice.. though the screenshots made me realize what's bugging me about the hrp, the texture of the broken "wall" or concrete, it's completely smooth while the rest of the environment looks beautifully updated. I'm loving the Polymer lighting though. Except now the aliens will need to be updated as well.