[Hendricks266]

 Hank, on 11 August 2011 - 04:53 PM, said:

You should have a website, entailing your knowledge. Yes, I'm off-topic, but ...

He does "have" one!

http://wiki.eduke32.com/

[Mblackwell]

 DavoX, on 09 August 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

Is there a way to use TX's version of ROR in polymer for people that find it really hard to juggle between all the lines?

Polymer doesn't render the multiple passes necessary. This is also why you won't see showview working without glitches.


@Plagman:
I haven't tested Polymer again since I originally reported the model rotation being different in Polymer vs Polymost (where they don't tilt appropriately in accord with rotscrnang). But, has this been fixed?

[Plagman]

Model rotation or HUD model rotation?

[Mblackwell]

 Plagman, on 11 August 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

Model rotation or HUD model rotation?

HUD model rotation.

[Hendricks266]

I committed some changes today. Besides minor cleanup and improvements, the function that calls quotes in the source has been modified so that it will not print blank quotes, which would cancel an existing quote and add a blank line to the log file. Quotes can still be canceled by setting player[THISACTOR].fta to 0.

For example, if you wish to completely disable the printing of the "Mighty Foot Engaged" quote (which is a ridiculous "feature" to begin with), simply leave quote 80 blank. This is useful for mutators because you can redefine a quote to be blank but you can't undefine a quote.

As a side note, Qstrcat is deprecated, specifically due to the fact that definequote ignores leading and trailing spaces. Therefore, modders were forced to use underscores and other hackish methods to insert a space between the two quotes. Its replacement is the qsprintf command. Its functionality mirrors two components of the C printf family: %ld or %d will insert a gamevar, while %s will insert another string, or as we know it, a quote.

[Micky C]

I did a bit of messing around with SE lights and sector effects. From what I can see, while SE lights will move in a subway train, they do not move in a two-way train. As I described in another thread (about a past experience but this is still the case): an SE light will stay fixed to its original position, and will stop emitting light once it crosses the sector boundary (i.e when the sector moves away). Is there a reason why it behaves differently with the two way train than it does with the subway train?

Because if it can be changed so that the light SEs will move with the two way train, it'd be very, very useful to pull off some really neat effects.

[Fox]

Do you tested it in identical sectors? Because I assume it would be because of the ceiling being wall aligned or something like that.

[Micky C]

Both the ceiling and floor had their relativity bits set. Here's a short video of a test map of a mini-mod I was working on a while back:

http://youtu.be/l_zp_8qtRa0

Why the media function isn't working I do not know.

Edit: that was with a pretty recent if not the latest revision. (Downloaded yesterday or today).

[Hendricks266]

Micky C, on 21 August 2011 - 02:51 AM, said:

Why the media function isn't working I do not know.

It probably doesn't support the youtu.be shortened links.

[DavoX]

I'm having some problems right now, this is what I get when I try to run with polymer activated:

Initializing Polymer subsystem...
PR : Your video card driver/combo doesn't support the necessary features!
PR : Disabling Polymer...
Rendering method changed to polygonal OpenGL


I want to note that I was able to use polymer on this PC. But I changed the GPU from a Gforce 210 to a 8800 GT. Now it doesn't work. (Bear in mind that the 8800 GT was from another computer that DID have polymer activated as well.)

I installed the latest drivers too.


EDIT: After checking, my stadium map works with polymer but Eddy's Quake MOD doesn't... weird...

EDIT 2 : I used the old stadium Eduke32 and now Eddy's mod works with polymer.

[Plagman]

What happens if you use the very latest build? http://dukeworld.duk.../20110821-1991/
Please attach the full log after running the `glinfo` command in the console.

[Danukem]

@Hendricks266: This is a minor thing concerning your revision that makes blank quotes not print at all. Before this, blank quotes could have been used as a way of wiping the current quote off the screen before fta reaches 0. I may have even used them this way myself in some of my older mods, though I don't remember. I guess it doesn't warrant printing blank quotes, but don't be surprised if some old mod is messed up by it.

[DavoX]

Plagman, on 22 August 2011 - 01:39 PM, said:

What happens if you use the very latest build? http://dukeworld.duk.../20110821-1991/
Please attach the full log after running the `glinfo` command in the console.

That build works perfect

[TerminX]

I guess nobody posted about this here yet, but Plagman fixed the huge problems ATI users were experiencing with Polymer last night. Go Plagman.

[djdori11]

TX, on 28 August 2011 - 11:31 AM, said:

I guess nobody posted about this here yet, but Plagman fixed the huge problems ATI users were experiencing with Polymer last night. Go Plagman.

YEAH I TRIED IT AND ITS FINALLY FIX THE CRASH\STUCK\"MEMORY LEAKING" WITH ATI DRIVERS!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!! ITS AWESOME GO PLAGMAN +999999999 ROCK THE WORLD MAN
AND ITS ALSO IMPROVES PERFORMANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! PLAGMAN FTW!!!

[Master Fibbles]

I don't know when you guys did it, but polymer lights now go through layers. Awesome. No longer will levels with spot lights or fires look odd when lights are supposed to go through the sections.

[Plagman]

http://forums.duke4....post__p__104503

[Tetsuo]

TX, on 28 August 2011 - 11:31 AM, said:

I guess nobody posted about this here yet, but Plagman fixed the huge problems ATI users were experiencing with Polymer last night. Go Plagman.

That's great... now I need someone to compile it for Mac so I can test that out.

[The Commander]

TX, on 28 August 2011 - 11:31 AM, said:

I guess nobody posted about this here yet, but Plagman fixed the huge problems ATI users were experiencing with Polymer last night. Go Plagman.

Cool, shame the shadows are still broken with ATI though.

[Plagman]

About that, I remember you said it got broken again with a specific driver. Do you remember which one was the last "good" one?

[The Commander]

10.5 was the last one that worked fine anything after bought the whitebox and shadow issues.

[Tetsuo]

Hmmm... I'm wondering where Helixhorned is because he seems to be the dev around here who seems to be able\interested in compiling eDuke32 for OS X. Rhoenie doesn't seem to do it any more.

[Plagman]

Why don't you do it yourself? It shouldn't be rocket science, I even think rhoenie has an HOWTO up.

[Mike Norvak]

Plagman, on 29 August 2011 - 08:30 PM, said:

It definitely ought to be solvable; if you don't wish to send me the big map, maybe you can just copy paste the problem stucture in a regular duke3d map or recreate it as a test case that I can work on?

I post this here in case you missed my comment on the other forum.

Attached File(s)

•  TROR test.zip (2.42K)
  Number of downloads: 573

[Tetsuo]

Plagman, on 30 August 2011 - 04:25 PM, said:

Why don't you do it yourself? It shouldn't be rocket science, I even think rhoenie has an HOWTO up.

It shouldn't be rocket science but I'm failing to build it. I tried downloading the latest SVN source code you have on your synthesis site and compile it on the Mac as best as I can... I even made sure I installed sdl via macports just in case it doesn't look for the sdl framework (which I do have installed) and prefers the more unix way:

Spoiler

Build started using "gcc -fomit-frame-pointer -funswitch-loops -O2 -fno-stack-protector -W -Wall -Wimplicit -Werror-implicit-function-declaration -funsigned-char -fno-strict-aliasing -DNO_GCC_BUILTINS -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fjump-tables -Wextra -Wstrict-overflow=1 -Isource -Ibuild/include -Isource/jmact -Isource/jaudiolib/include -Isource/enet/include -fno-pic -I/Users/tetsuo/Desktop/eduke32_20110828-1994/Apple/include -I/Library/Frameworks/SDL.framework/Headers -I/Library/Frameworks/SDL_mixer.framework/Headers -DSDL_FRAMEWORK -DHAVE_INTTYPES -DRENDERTYPESDL=1 -DUSE_OPENGL -DNOASM -DPOLYMER"
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Project 2501:eduke32_20110828-1994 tetsuo$ ./osxbuild.sh
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Build started using "gcc -fomit-frame-pointer -funswitch-loops -O2 -fno-stack-protector -W -Wall -Wimplicit -Werror-implicit-function-declaration -funsigned-char -fno-strict-aliasing -DNO_GCC_BUILTINS -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fjump-tables -arch ppc -Wextra -Wstrict-overflow=1 -Isource -Ibuild/include -Isource/jmact -Isource/jaudiolib/include -Isource/enet/include -fno-pic -I/Users/tetsuo/Desktop/eduke32_20110828-1994/Apple/include -I/Library/Frameworks/SDL.framework/Headers -I/Library/Frameworks/SDL_mixer.framework/Headers -DSDL_FRAMEWORK -DHAVE_INTTYPES -fno-stack-protector -DRENDERTYPESDL=1 -DUSE_OPENGL -DNOASM -DPOLYMER"
llvm-gcc-4.2: error trying to exec '/usr/bin/../llvm-gcc-4.2/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2' : execvp: No such file or directory
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Failed building obj/anim.o from source/anim.c!
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PowerPC release build succeeded.
cp: mapster32: No such file or directory
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The parts that catch my eye are the no such file or directory after it says it succeeded but I tried making a folder of the same name as those files but it then errors out saying those are folders (well obviously). It's not exactly obvious what to do about it. No binaries show up anywhere despite it saying it succeeded. Although it seems as though it failed to build actually and since it did there's no end file to copy.
There's also errors like

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make: *** No rule to make target `obj/SDLMain.o', needed by `eduke32'. Stop.

which I have no idea what this means. All I can figure is something is missing but I don't know what or what to do about it.... There seems to be more work to do to get it compiled than what is said in Rhoenies instructions besides... and it's not all obvious to me.

Also I don't find an apple directory or the line that it says to edit in this part here:

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Note: If you get sourcecode versions released after january 2010 you only need to edit the file: eduke32/Apple/Makefile.shared. In most cases you only have to change the APPLE_TARGET to match your setup.

So it may be easy peasy but I guess I'm missing something obvious that I should be seeing so very easily.

I even downloaded the latest (albeit highly outdated by now) source from Rheonie and followed that instruction and even then it failed but this time with even more errors because you have to choose a specific SDK from the makefile.shared and it only goes up to 10.5. His doesn't even support compiling on/for 10.6+ (xcode 4 for 10.7 only includes 10.6 and 10.7 SDK's) or 64-bit. But that's not the version I want anyway. Like I said his version is outdated by now and I want the latest compiled.

[Helixhorned]

You have to put SDLMain.m and SDLMain.h from the SDL light development pack the Apple/ directory into the root eduke32 directory, IIRC.

[Tetsuo]

Yes I've read what you said elsewhere and tried that, didn't work. You are talking about the main folder when you extract the source right? Also which apple directory are you speaking of specifically because I had a hard time finding those files and I'm not even sure I got the correct ones. I downloaded many revisions of the source from the synthesis page and found no trace of an Apple/ directory. Nor do those files show up in a spotlight search when searching source downloaded from the synthesis site.

I tried grabbing sdlmain.h out of the SDL framework and the SDLMain.m from the SDL light development kit previous to you posting that but that didn't seem to work. I tried grabbing sdlmain.h from the newest available build from rhoenie's site and put it in the main folder alongside the sdlmain.m from the developer lite package as i couldn't find a sdlmain.m in that source and it still didn't work. Just gave the same error.

Rhoenie's source tarballs do have apple directories but they are so out of date it defeats the purpose which is to get the latest compiled for Mac. Also I can't find SDLMain.m in them either. But I could find .h and like I said I tried putting that in the main folder on the newer source and it didn't work for me.

[Helixhorned]

The Apple/ directory is in the SVN tree. You could use the ones from SDL since I don't recall changing the prototypes, but for EDuke32 I rewrote some parts that were giving me weird x86 code.

[Tetsuo]

OK I tried that and now I'm getting the following errors after downloading the svn and copying the sdlmain files to the main folder and trying to make it.

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ld: library not found for -lsupc++
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
Failed linking executable eduke32!

And if I try polymer-perf I get the additional:

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src/unix.c:34: error: conflicting types for ‘socklen_t’
/usr/include/sys/socket.h:111: error: previous declaration of ‘socklen_t’ was here
src/unix.c: In function ‘enet_socket_accept’:
src/unix.c:251: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 3 of ‘accept’ differ in signedness
Failed building obj/unix.o from src/unix.c!
make[1]: *** [obj/unix.o] Error 1
make: *** [source/enet/libenet.a] Error 2

Which one am I supposed to use anyhow? Polymer or Polymer-perf?

[Plagman]

Don't use Polymer-perf. It's way faster, but it's also kinda stale.