[Mblackwell]

True, we have no idea what the exposure was set to. Probably a fairly quick one or the fire would be very blurred with lots of ghosting. Note that the camera doesn't see any of the sky, for example, when this would be incredibly apparent to anyone actually present.

[The Commander]

Will there be plans in the future for VoIP, and FDS with console logging etc for multiplayer?
Yes I am thinking 10+ years ahead of myself.

[Master Fibbles]

Using the July 6 build I can't get Mapster to run. It loads a blank screen and when I try to load something in 2D mode, it crashes.
-8 bit 640*480

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Mapster32 2.0.0devel 20100521
Using D:/Duke3d/ for game data
Using group file 'autoload/duke3d.grp/eduke32_mus.zip'.
Using group file 'autoload/duke3d.grp/polymer_hrp132.zip'.
Configuration file not found, using defaults.
Windows 7 (build 6.1.7600) w/ nedmalloc.dll
Initializing DirectDraw...
Loading "m32help.hlp"
Initializing DirectInput...
- Enumerating attached game controllers
- No game controllers found
Uninitializing DirectInput...
Initialized 16.0M cache
Loading NAMES.H
Read 765 lines, loaded 737 names.
Loading 'duke3d.def'
warning: defined hightile replacement for empty tile 9000. Maybe some tiles???.art are not loaded?
warning: defined hightile replacement for empty tile 9001.
Definitions file loaded.
Enabling desktop composition...
Setting video mode 640x480 (8-bit windowed)
Loading sounds from 'game.con'
Loaded 376 sound definitions.
Fatal Signal caught: SIGSEGV. Bailing out.
Uninitializing DirectDraw...

-32 bit 1024*768

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Mapster32 2.0.0devel 20100521
Using D:/Duke3d/ for game data
Using group file 'autoload/duke3d.grp/eduke32_mus.zip'.
Using group file 'autoload/duke3d.grp/polymer_hrp132.zip'.
Configuration file not found, using defaults.
Windows 7 (build 6.1.7600) w/ nedmalloc.dll
Initializing DirectDraw...
Loading "m32help.hlp"
Initializing DirectInput...
- Enumerating attached game controllers
- No game controllers found
Uninitializing DirectInput...
Initialized 16.0M cache
Loading NAMES.H
Read 765 lines, loaded 737 names.
Loading 'duke3d.def'
warning: defined hightile replacement for empty tile 9000. Maybe some tiles???.art are not loaded?
warning: defined hightile replacement for empty tile 9001.
Definitions file loaded.
Disabling desktop composition...
Setting video mode 1024x768 (32-bit windowed)
OpenGL Information:
Version: 3.3.0
Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer: GeForce GTS 250/PCI/SSE2
Unable to open cache index: Permission denied
Loading sounds from 'game.con'
Loaded 376 sound definitions.
Enabling desktop composition...
Setting video mode 1024x768 (8-bit windowed)
Fatal Signal caught: SIGSEGV. Bailing out.
Uninitializing DirectDraw...

[TerminX]

Try fixing the permissions for the directory I guess.

[Master Fibbles]

So weird. I didn't know it was set to Read-Only...might explain why I was having problems with the loading screen before.

EDIT: still no help. It still crashes.

[Night Wolf]

The latest release of eduke is pretty good, think i might have gained some FPS
and the fading effect in the menu's is back!

theres a problem however, I can't seem to change the mouse sensitivity, the side scroller is stuck

[Danukem]

I guess you haven't updated your eduke in quite a while. This sounds like the old mouse sensitivity off the scale problem. Type into the console "sensitivity 10" and that will put it back within range. Or delete all your cfgs.

[Master Fibbles]

Mr.Flibble, on Jul 9 2010, 06:41 PM, said:

Using the July 6 build I can't get Mapster to run. It loads a blank screen and when I try to load something in 2D mode, it crashes.

I tried a fresh "install" and it works. I'm not sure what is causing the crash though. Whatever it was, it had to do with my newboard.map. That map was just a single room with a spotlight in a corner.

[RPD Guy]

updates?
^^

[Night Wolf]

Did the spark texture recently get lighting hardcoded to it?
I never noticed before untill now ....
looks good.

[TerminX]

Yeah. It was probably a couple of months ago.

[Night Wolf]

 TX, on Jul 16 2010, 06:28 AM, said:

Yeah. It was probably a couple of months ago.

Hmm strange I only just noticed.
......
Any chance of the "red siren lights" being hardcoded?
maybe a twirling light source if thats even possible...

[TerminX]

Maybe. I thought about it at one point and I think I decided against it because the light would need to be a spotlight (more resource intensive) and it would be horrible in usermaps where you have a bunch of those sprites going around a helipad or something like that.

[Danukem]

TX, on Jul 16 2010, 09:06 AM, said:

Maybe. I thought about it at one point and I think I decided against it because the light would need to be a spotlight (more resource intensive) and it would be horrible in usermaps where you have a bunch of those sprites going around a helipad or something like that.

I agree, and I think that hardcoded lights should be kept to a minimum. In addition to the performance issue, there's the fact that mappers didn't consider many sprites to be light sources. Take switches, for example. Sometimes switches that are supposed to be hidden give themselves away in Polymer because of the light they give off. And there is another issue. In a TC, there may be a completely different tile of that number which the light doesn't fit, and it just adds one more annoying hardcoded thing for the scripter to deal with.

[Night Wolf]

TX, on Jul 17 2010, 02:06 AM, said:

Maybe. I thought about it at one point and I think I decided against it because the light would need to be a spotlight (more resource intensive) and it would be horrible in usermaps where you have a bunch of those sprites going around a helipad or something like that.

Hmmm I can understand that... maybe when eduke is more stable.

[Hendricks266]

DeeperThought, on Jul 16 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

In a TC, there may be a completely different tile of that number which the light doesn't fit, and it just adds one more annoying hardcoded thing for the scripter to deal with.

I've had to deal with that in Caribbean. Fortunately TX did add ways to disable the lights from CON.
Now I have to check that I disabled SHOTSPARK1's lighting... phew.

[High Treason]

I've had an idea, how difficult would it be to add a feature to Mapster32 where point lights show a circle on the 2D View like ambient sounds? This would be really useful. Just an idea.

[Micky C]

I always thought it'd be nice if there was some way to see what colour polymer lights are in 2D mode, the only way to tell at the moment is to switch into 3D mode, which usually takes a few seconds, and it can be a bit time consuming if you have to make constant corrections to get the colour right. Although High Treason's idea would be more practical and easier to implement.

[RPD Guy]

How do I fix a light, or spotlight on some object?

[The Commander]

 Dk2, on Jul 26 2010, 05:27 AM, said:

How do I fix a light, or spotlight on some object?

You are going to have to explain that in more detail.

[Sobek]

I'm guessing he wants to 'attach' a light to an object (such as a sprite or model) in a way that will make the light move with that object.

I think you'd just need a bit of CON code to make that object cast a polymer light, basically. I'm sure someone else can properly expand on the idea.

[TerminX]

The first synthesis build with improved Polymer performance went up today. It also fixes problems with broken doors and sector effects in Duke Caribbean and some other maps.

[SwissCm]

The framerate increase is quite significant. If any of you were struggling to run Polymer before it's worth trying out again.

[0815Jack]

 SwissCm, on Jul 27 2010, 07:10 AM, said:

The framerate increase is quite significant. If any of you were struggling to run Polymer before it's worth trying out again.

well i cannot confirm this.....i know its difficult to compare, but thats how i compare 1674 & 1676

i loaded E1L1 with latest SVN polymer HRP @ 1680*1050 (AF = none) and waited till the space ship exploded and doesnt move on the roof

1674: 28fps
1676: 12fps

my system: C2D-8400 / 4 GB / HD4350 (Catalyst 10.4) on XP32

[Danukem]

 0815Jack, on Jul 27 2010, 06:51 AM, said:

well i cannot confirm this.....i know its difficult to compare, but thats how i compare 1674 & 1676

i loaded E1L1 with latest SVN polymer HRP @ 1680*1050 (AF = none) and waited till the space ship exploded and doesnt move on the roof

1674: 28fps
1676: 12fps

my system: C2D-8400 / 4 GB / HD4350 (Catalyst 10.4) on XP32

That's a dramatic reduction in frame rate. I would give it another try or two comparing 1674 and 1676. Maybe your computer was doing something intensive in the background during the 1676 test?

[MusicallyInspired]

Just tried it. Hmm, a bit strange. I tried E1L1 with the Polymer HRP. Even though the framerate on the roof says it's 90-100 it's very jumpy and skippy. Once down in the street this strange phenomenon disappears, though, (along with the improved framerate) until you go back up. Performance seems to vary from area to area moreso than before. Some bigger areas are worse than they were before and some isolated areas are silky smooth when they weren't before. All in all it's not quite as playable as it was before as far as gameplay is concerned. It takes the game a bit of time to come to grips with new textures and I lose framerate altogether for a bit until it figures itself out and then it's partially playable.

Then the game crashed when it attempted to load the second level. Before the texture caching. Whereas before the game would just close (no error message) after the textures were cached on random levels.

Still there was definitely an improvement in certain areas. Optimization seems to be coming along nicely.

My specs:

WinXP SP3
P4 2.8 Ghz
3GB DDR RAM
ATI X1650 AGP

I tried posting my eduke32.log but it wouldn't show. There were a lot of texture "GL_FALSE!" errors, though.

EDIT: I just deleted my texture cache files and tried starting up the game again and it crashes on startup now. Can't even start the game.

EDIT 2: Ok, now it works again. Bizarre.

EDIT 3: Apparently some of my framerate issues are gone this time around. I forgot that I was downloading a pretty hefty file during my first run. Now it seems much more manageable. I still have quite a bit of framerate issues where more than a couple lights are involved. I also no longer get lighting from objects such as switches and atomic health.

Also, here's some screenshots of the bizarre shadow effect spotlights have for me:

http://brandonblume....es/duke0000.jpg
http://brandonblume....es/duke0001.jpg
http://brandonblume....es/duke0002.jpg

[Danukem]

 MusicallyInspired, on Jul 27 2010, 09:21 AM, said:

EDIT 3: Apparently some of my framerate issues are gone this time around. I forgot that I was downloading a pretty hefty file during my first run.

No offense, but that undermines your whole report, and I was wondering the same thing about 0815Jack's report.

[MusicallyInspired]

Maybe, but I later confirmed everything about my report afterwards.

[Danukem]

 MusicallyInspired, on Jul 27 2010, 11:46 AM, said:

Maybe, but I later confirmed everything about my report afterwards.

Well, nevermind then.

[Plagman]

MusicallyInspired,

is the shadow issue illustrated in your screenshots something recent, or has this always happened? I think your GPU falls into the "polygon offset" workaround where I had to disable a functionality that makes shadow look more correct because of a driver bug that caused a software fallback (causing huge performance hits and sprites showing above everything else, not sure if you remember). I think that's the cause of the shadow problems you're seeing, just wanted to confirm that it was always like that and wasn't anything new with the new version.