[Parkar]

zilp, on Jan 25 2010, 08:59 AM, said:

Would it be somehow possible to control that amount of ambient lighting on the model?
Ofcourse I could make the model a bit more dark, but still I would not achieve as much contrast as I want..

I did remake the UV maps (and most of the model) for this one, so this does not have shared UV:s. I tested it in Blenders "game engine" viewport rendering and they worked.
I think I'm having those seams because the X-axis is mirrored in Blenders normal map system. I'll try to get that Gimp Normalmap-plugin working to fix it.

It shouldn't be controled on a per object basis the problem here is that we don't have a way of controlling the ambient light in the maphack yet. I have been making my own eduke32 build with the sector schading hardcoded to a pretty dark value when working with the light hacks.

As far as the normals direction goees I think it is the way 3dsmax has them, r = x, g = -y, z = b so my guess is you might have to invert the green channel. As Tea Monster says xNormal is great for generating the normals.

[zilp]

I did use xNormal, but I did some tweaking in Blender and re-baked the maps, which obviously was a mistake since I found out for some odd reason Blender uses different setup from everyone else.

I tried to fix them up, but I am still not very sure, since the normal maps aren't that visible in the game yet, atleast for me.

Also I'm not sure how to setup normal maps and skins for several surfaces in the model?

I'm posting the model here, but it most certainly is not finished. The textures or the normal maps don't work at all.
Hopefully someone with more experience on Eduke32/Polymer stuff could take a look and help me out?
I put the textures as jpeg now.

EDIT:
Just add up, that I did switch one of the channels that blender generated for normal map, so it should work in the zip.
But it is really hard to see if this is really the case, especially since I could not get multiple textures work.
My first test was with only one texture for the entire model, but I think it became a little too blurry.

It seemed that 1024x2048 single texture was scaled down when loaded in game?

It would be nice if someone could hack in some sort of model preview tool, like an option to the games menu or console

Attached File(s)

•  trooper.zip (1.53MB)
  Number of downloads: 988

[Sangman]

Micky C, on Jan 24 2010, 08:30 AM, said:

I don't care how many bugs polymer has, with that and if lights and when lighting can be applied to HUD models, the game is going to look almost completely modern

What good does that do if the game crashes for people every so often? (the recently fixed soundbug reduced a lot of crashes but I still get them, sometimes quite often, but not as much) TBH I'd rather have stability over looks

[High Treason]

Exactly, the game would be almost completely modern
Or is it just me that gets crashes in modern games

[RPD Guy]

Roma Loom, on Jan 24 2010, 09:08 AM, said:

should be like texture definition:

texture 258 {
pal 0 { file "highres/textures/0258.png" }
normal { file "highres/textures/0258_n.png" parallaxbias 0.0 parallaxscale 0.1 }
specular { file "highres/textures/0258_s.png" }
glow { file "highres/textures/0258_g.png" }
}

Hope you'll figure it up quickly.

is this wath I aways talking about!
i need a tool to make the ''specular''
(:

[RPD Guy]

PS: why not the lights affects the HUD weapon?

[Spiker]

Dk2, on Jan 28 2010, 10:04 PM, said:

PS: why not the lights affects the HUD weapon?

Patience.

[BrOiler1985]

I have a (maybe) stupid question.. what does Polymer do? Polymost kinda converts most of the visible things to polygons, right? So what does polymer do? Does Polymer convert everything into polygons?

[kenia]

I have not read the code so I dont know the exact rendering pipeline, but in the end when you render something on your gpu with opengl everything is "converted" to triangles... somehow its a stupid question. So basically what polymer is doing is just calculating shadows (and using vertex shaders). so I guess it builds on top of polymost and just extents it (basically) with this feature.

[TerminX]

No, Polymer doesn't share anything in common with Polymost. It is a completely new renderer that works entirely different from Polymost in about every way possible.

[kenia]

I never looked at the code

[RPD Guy]

i have a question!
what i do to run duke plus with the polymer?
I tried to merge the folder ''duke plus'' with ''polymer_hrp'' folder, however I had no result

[The Commander]

Dk2, on Jan 31 2010, 09:34 AM, said:

i have a question!
what i do to run duke plus with the polymer?
I tried to merge the folder ''duke plus'' with ''polymer_hrp'' folder, however I had no result

Put "polymer_hrp.zip" in the Autoload folder and just run "dukeplus.bat" with the Polymer box ticked.

If that doesn't work then you have installed either Duke Plus wrong or the Polymer HRP wrong.

[RPD Guy]

tanks! this works!

[Tea Monster]

Sangman, on Jan 26 2010, 08:32 AM, said:

What good does that do if the game crashes for people every so often? (the recently fixed soundbug reduced a lot of crashes but I still get them, sometimes quite often, but not as much) TBH I'd rather have stability over looks

This is exactly why Plagman didn't release any alphas of Polymer for ages. He has said that there is still loads left to do, let him get it done.

Writing your own next-gen rendering engine is NOT easy. Trying to marry it to an old DOS game is near-on freaking impossible. Just wait.

[zilp]

I finally got the new trooper model to work somewhat ingame (Thanks to Tea Monster!).

But how should I declare the normal maps to the model with multiple surfaces?

skin { pal 0 surface 0 file "highres/sprites/monsters/1680_trooper_skin_color.jpg" }
normal{ file "highres/sprites/monsters/1680_trooper_skin_normal.jpg" parallaxbias 0.1 parallaxscale 0.5 surf 0 }
skin { pal 0 surface 1 file "highres/sprites/monsters/1680_trooper_gear_0.jpg" }
normal{ file "highres/sprites/monsters/1680_trooper_gear_normal.jpg" parallaxbias 0.1 parallaxscale 0.5 surf 1}

I tried the "surf" since it was used in glowmaps.. but what is the correct syntax?



Here is the model ingame now, and as you can see, the normal maps are not really visible... probably because they are not applied?

[Plagman]

Yeah, 'surf' or 'surface' should just work.

Can you post the fixed MD3 and DEFs so that I can make sure that normal maps work?

[zilp]

Plagman, on Feb 2 2010, 10:40 PM, said:

Yeah, 'surf' or 'surface' should just work.

Can you post the fixed MD3 and DEFs so that I can make sure that normal maps work?

Here you go!

 trooper.zip (1.56MB)
Number of downloads: 1043

[Plagman]

http://plagman.free....rmaltrooper.jpg

I "works" if you add spaces between 'normal' and '{' as well as 'surf 1' and the trailing '}'.
It's definitely buggy on some triangles, though. I'll try looking into it in some more detail, but I think it's bad interaction between the smoothing code and how the skin is unwrapped.

[MusicallyInspired]

Man this looks nice. I wanna play polymer again!

[Spiker]

Comparison.

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[Danukem]

Spiker, on Feb 3 2010, 02:09 AM, said:

Comparison.

I wish you had picked a shot of the new one that didn't have a green light on it from the shrinker.

[Sebastian]

Here's some shots.



It's too bad Duke is such a fastpaced game, it would be much more enjoyable to play this as a somewhat slow modern shooter. You miss too much of the details with its Unreal Tournament-style gameplay.

[Mblackwell]

Definitely needs work, but damn it sure is getting there.

[Spiker]

I'm absolutely impressed. Eduke32 is now probaly the best engine if you consider how awesome games/mods you can create with it in so EASY way (If you comapre it to other engines). It definately needs more promotion, which should not only be related to Duke but also the engine itself.

[LeoD]

I don't like the tint of the green armor somehow but can't tell why.
And the eyes need to be reworked desperately - these guys are blind!
Anyway, good work.

[Mblackwell]

Spiker, on Feb 3 2010, 12:24 PM, said:

I'm absolutely impressed. Eduke32 is now probaly the best engine if you consider how awesome games/mods you can create with it in so EASY way (If you comapre it to other engines). It definately needs more promotion, which should not only be related to Duke but also the engine itself.

Honestly I think Duke Nukem Eternity will be a decent showcase of polymer and creating new styles in the game, and I hope DanM releases early Betas.

[LeoD]

Don't want that. Because I'd play the first beta and later on I wouldn't replay a 'known' map.
Screenshots only, please ;-)

[Stabs]

I think i will have to Beta to see how it performs on a variety of systems, it will be very closed though

as for that alien, i think the green suit needs to darkened and he needs to be a bit grittier, hes a tad to clean atm

[TerminX]

Spiker, on Feb 3 2010, 10:24 AM, said:

I'm absolutely impressed. Eduke32 is now probaly the best engine if you consider how awesome games/mods you can create with it in so EASY way (If you comapre it to other engines). It definately needs more promotion, which should not only be related to Duke but also the engine itself.

Not only are the mods easy to make, but the engine scales all the way from lowly ARM based handhelds to whatever expensive new PC hardware you can throw at it. I'm not really sure how to promote things more... I want to get more developers on board and make more huge progress.