[Jimmy]

Rusty Nails, on May 12 2009, 09:01 PM, said:

Yeah that looks real freaking nice. Only problem I see is that it appears you can't eminate light evenly throughout the entire area of the textures, which in both the above screenshots case and the case of the circular ceiling light in the shot that The Commander posted would benefit from. http://img22.imagesh.../6662/spin2.jpg

Me thinks this may just be an issue of the maps not being built for Polymer, but I'm not sure.

[d3drocks]

guys.
exelent work!

Frost Nukem, on May 12 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

really amazing graphics, is (or will) there a linux version of this engine ?

I guarentee it.

[TerminX]

Yeah, Plagman actually developed it on Linux. Not surprising, considering his job.

[High Treason]

It's all looking really awesome.
I think a mod should be done on it "Duke Nukem For-now" with some of the stuff in that we know about DNF.

Well, i'm glad polymer can be run on linux, my next machine is gonna be linux.

[Danukem]

I updated the original post with a guide to placing polymer lights in Mapster.

[Richard Shead]

I just made this. View it at it's max size to really appreciate the difference:





We've come a long way.......

[Piano Man]

WHY MUST YOU TAUNT US WITH THESE NEW SCREENSHOTS!!!!

DAMN...

[Danukem]

Duke Rocks, on May 12 2009, 09:17 PM, said:

I just made this. View it at it's max size to really appreciate the difference:





We've come a long way.......

Technically, the "1996" shot should have the original status bar....

Seeing those shots reminds me: Shouldn't the HRP pistol be beefier looking?

[Richard Shead]

DeeperThought, on May 12 2009, 08:28 PM, said:

Technically, the "1996" shot should have the original status bar......

You mean in the original version you couldn't just press the plus and minus keys to make the HUD take up less or more space??? I'm pretty sure that it was a feature 13 years ago.....am I wrong?

Besides, I wanted the pictures to match as best as possible.

[TerminX]

Duke Rocks, on May 12 2009, 09:56 PM, said:

You mean in the original version you couldn't just press the plus and minus keys to make the HUD take up less or more space??? I'm pretty sure that it was a feature 13 years ago.....am I wrong?

Besides, I wanted the pictures to match as best as possible.

No, he's talking about the specific HUD you have enabled in the shots... it's the alternate HUD I came up with a while back because I didn't think the original 1996 version of the small HUD was sufficient anymore.

[The Commander]

DeeperThought, on May 13 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

Seeing those shots reminds me: Shouldn't the HRP pistol be beefier looking?

Ive always wondered why Duke is using a left handed pistol myself.

[Reaper_Man]

Probably because it's more graphically interesting to watch the shells eject, than to have it be "correct".

[TerminX]

msleeper, on May 12 2009, 10:01 PM, said:

Probably because it's more graphically interesting to watch the shells eject, than to have it be "correct".

Yep, pretty much. The ejecting brass was an awesome new effect back in 1996, and they wanted to show it off I'm sure.

[The Commander]

TX, on May 13 2009, 05:04 PM, said:

Yep, pretty much. The ejecting brass was an awesome new effect back in 1996, and they wanted to show it off I'm sure.

Yeah, but in real life it sucks. Have you ever had a hot ejected shell hit you in the face?

[TerminX]

No, but I've had a ricocheting .243 round graze my cheek. Yay for getting about as close as possible to being shot in the face.

[The Commander]

TX, on May 13 2009, 05:23 PM, said:

No, but I've had a ricocheting .243 round graze my cheek. Yay for getting about as close as possible to being shot in the face.

Ive had a similar occurrence once as well, really gets the blood flowing. (enough OT now I think)

[ryche]

Wow...damn WOOWWWWWW *drool*

[MeatWagon]

Wow this looks amazing!! any ETA for a public release? Does this make use of normal maps etc?

[Reaper_Man]

The Commander, on May 13 2009, 01:20 AM, said:

Yeah, but in real life it sucks. Have you ever had a hot ejected shell hit you in the face?

No, but that's why I play video games. When I want to experience all of the hardships, problems and realism of real life, I'll go down to a gun range. When I want to look at sweet brass ejection effects, I'll fire up Duke.

[Moggimus]

Duke Rocks, on May 13 2009, 12:17 AM, said:

I just made this. View it at it's max size to really appreciate the difference:

We've come a long way.......

Besides the lighting, 1996 looks better ;P

[gt1750]

Cool shot, but the low res fire kinda spoils it. Let's see if I can make a worthy replacement.

[Danukem]

gt1750, on May 13 2009, 12:26 AM, said:

Cool shot, but the low res fire kinda spoils it. Let's see if I can make a worthy replacement.

Please do! I've been using that fire because the current HRP fire sucks. The HRP fire looks like poorly rendered jets of flame -- like they came out of a stove top -- which is completely unlike the natural fire in the original game.

[Plagman]

Rusty Nails, on May 13 2009, 03:01 AM, said:

Yeah that looks real freaking nice. Only problem I see is that it appears you can't eminate light evenly throughout the entire area of the textures

On this particular shot it's obvious because Parkar overrode the global shade of the map to make it dark. If you add a few exceptions to the shade override, you end up with something like what he posted: http://www.duke4.org...mp/duke0101.jpg.

[Parkar]

Sobek, on May 13 2009, 02:53 AM, said:

Oh my, TX. That is... incredible. I didn't realise that the alpha texture in front of the light would affect the lighting shining through it. That's just beautiful.

It's actually not doing that. The shadows of the alpha texture is faked by projecting a texture with the spotlight. Alpha textures do cast correct shadows but they don't look as cool as a projected texture will.

Rusty Nails, on May 13 2009, 03:01 AM, said:

Yeah that looks real freaking nice. Only problem I see is that it appears you can't eminate light evenly throughout the entire area of the textures, which in both the above screenshots case and the case of the circular ceiling light in the shot that The Commander posted would benefit from.

That's just my place holder code that overrides the shading making all textures dark even those that's supposed to stay bright. that together with dynamic lights always emitting from a single point means it looks a bit shitty. As Plagman mentioned it looks a bit closer to what things will with a proper implementation of overriding the shading in the shot I linked to.

You will not be able to make a texture emit light so you need to fake this by placing one or several lights close to it that emits from a point. This is how it's done inpretty much all games that uses dynamic light sources.

[Danukem]

Parkar, on May 13 2009, 02:09 AM, said:

You will not be able to make a texture emit light so you need to fake this by placing one or several lights close to it that emits from a point. This is how it's done inpretty much all games that uses dynamic light sources.

Yeah, and I've been thinking about that limitation as it relates to something else. I want to code an auto light placing feature that places lights on certain textures, and also replaces SE and CYCLER lights with dynamic ones. But those lights effect entire sectors and are not supposed to be from any particular point. If there's a cycler, and I replace it with an oscillating spot light or two, the light may be blocked depending on where the cycler was placed in the sector. I guess I can add code that puts the replacement lights at the midpoint of the sector, but that's not always going to work well.

[Mblackwell]

You'd have to check the area of the sector and try to place lights evenly across. Not exactly efficient.

[Danukem]

Mblackwell, on May 13 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

You'd have to check the area of the sector and try to place lights evenly across. Not exactly efficient.

Maybe I'll do that once Polymer is optimized. For my first attempt, I'll just place one light per SE/CYCLER and let the light fall where it may.

[Alexraptor]

Btw did i just imagine reading through it in this thread... or did someone mention normal/bumpmapping and parallax occlusion mapping?

[Mblackwell]

No, it's not something you imagined.

[Plagman]

Alexraptor, on May 13 2009, 08:12 PM, said:

Btw did i just imagine reading through it in this thread... or did someone mention normal/bumpmapping and parallax occlusion mapping?

Yeah, those are two of the renderer features.